NBA Trade Thread #13

[Ccwatercraft]

Hopefully, after the Mavs get tired of the stupid "Cooper Flagg at PG" experiment, they realize they need to trade one of those good bigs for a guard. They started Flagg, Klay Thompson, PJ Washington, Anthony Davis, Derrik Lively, smh.

They really do need to rebalance, but they seem to like all of them.

[pipfan]

Booker would be high on my list of players to avoid. That contract is killer, for an AS player. Yes, he'll make the HoF for sheer numbers, but not a superstar in any way.

Lauri/Zion/Claxton/Turner are my targets as of now, depending on how Nov goes

In an ideal world, we add Lauri and move Matas to the 3. Would Utah want CWhite?

[Seccci]

Booker is on a franchise killing contract

Looks like it's $57M next year and $61M the year after. It's high, but not so high that we can't fill in a hole at C. If somehow Pat can be part of the deal, it becomes a decent deal (vs. $18M flushed every season).

It is rough contract and overpaid, im not going to lie, but so was Zach lavine at 40+ and soon to be Coby white at 35+ and ayo at 25mil a season.

That was actually the idea behind me looking through NBA teams for SG that might be better than these guys, not over 30 and in situation where we might not have to break the bank, send all picks to get him- so kind of landed on booker. He also went to finals and is clutch and can shoot game ending ft's, which right now we don't have anyone to do that. Everyone we send misses one out of 4 regurarly.

Sooo, instead of playing combined 70 mil to Coby,ayo- consolidate and get proven guy, even if overpaid. Their owner might even not push for a haul just to cut costs, so no need to send 3 first picks or something crazy.

But I get it, booker is not highly rated over here as i remember people thought lavine is even better than him. Kind of agree to disagree situation for me. Plus even though we have crazy depth now, lot of them are expiring and I don't see anyone want to pay them guys going rates next 2 years. Might as well convert 2/3 of them into one all star( sort of what cavaliers did with Mitchell, than the youth improving raises ceiling to deep playoff runs)- that's the idea

[WesPeace]

Booker is on a franchise killing contract

Looks like it's $57M next year and $61M the year after. It's high, but not so high that we can't fill in a hole at C. If somehow Pat can be part of the deal, it becomes a decent deal (vs. $18M flushed every season).

It is rough contract and overpaid, im not going to lie, but so was Zach lavine at 40+ and soon to be Coby white at 35+ and ayo at 25mil a season.

That was actually the idea behind me looking through NBA teams for SG that might be better than these guys, not over 30 and in situation where we might not have to break the bank, send all picks to get him- so kind of landed on booker. He also went to finals and is clutch and can shoot game ending ft's, which right now we don't have anyone to do that. Everyone we send misses one out of 4 regurarly.

Sooo, instead of playing combined 70 mil to Coby,ayo- consolidate and get proven guy, even if overpaid. Their owner might even not push for a haul just to cut costs, so no need to send 3 first picks or something crazy.

But I get it, booker is not highly rated over here as i remember people thought lavine is even better than him. Kind of agree to disagree situation for me. Plus even though we have crazy depth now, lot of them are expiring and I don't see anyone want to pay them guys going rates next 2 years. Might as well convert 2/3 of them into one all star( sort of what cavaliers did with Mitchell, than the youth improving raises ceiling to deep playoff runs)- that's the idea

LOL Ayo is not gonna get the same contract as Giddey.. White 35M not very likely either, unless he plays eyes out this season. I think AKME will re-sign Coby and Ayo to team friendly contracts. Jones and Giddey were good deals.

Just big fat NO to Booker, he isnt the guy! He is solid,but not someone who will lead you anywhere. His contract makes it even worse..

[Infinity2152]

OK, now people are going overboard, lmao! Booker's contract the next two years is not even crazy for a player at that level. It jumps two years from now, but the cap will be higher then too. Seems people think the key to winning championships is cost efficiency. We're so focused on getting good contracts. Nobody's trading a top tier talent without some warts (contract, age, injury history, trade demand, expiring). Salary is not stopping most teams from winning, not having high end talent does that.

Can't ignore the fact Booker was averaging 26 and 7, and 27 and 7 his last two years playing with Durant and Beal and he's still under 30. He'll be making around what Tatum or Brown are making. Not worried about him regressing at 28, his team was extremely mismatched the last two years.

We're likely to have a $50+ mill contract on this team if it's a vet with over 10 years anyway. Booker's likely in the top 5% (top 22) in the NBA. Matas starting on a rookie contract the next two years minimizes much of that cost impact. Maybe a team with little talent but about to clear maybe the most money in the league shouldn't worry about cap as much as getting ONE top 20 player.

Booker makes $53 mill this year. Players in his range or more: Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Lebron James, KAT, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Bradley Beal, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, Giannis, KD, Jokic, Embid and Curry. Booker's 28, would take him right now over most of them.

Most of those guys making the same money are well over 30, many impossible to trade for without gutting the team. We're going to pay a max contract for an elite scorer, and we need an elite scorer, 7 assists per game isn't exactly trash either. He's still young enough and talented enough to build around for 5-6 years, Giddey and Matas would be a great start. If it costs mostly expirings and a few picks, he's by far the best talent we could add and Suns could be motivated to clear cap.

[MikeDC]

OK, now people are going overboard, lmao! Booker's contract the next two years is not even crazy for a player at that level.

It's not "crazy" in the sense that a stupid team with a stupid owner agreed to it. But it's a stupid thing to do.

Seems people think the key to winning championships is cost efficiency. We're so focused on getting good contracts. Nobody's trading a top tier talent without some warts (contract, age, injury history, trade demand, expiring). Salary is not stopping most teams from winning, not having high end talent does that.

A key to winning contracts if a Reinsdorf is the owner is absolutely cost efficiency.

Booker is neither cost efficient nor truly high end talent anymore.

Can't ignore the fact Booker was averaging 26 and 7, and 27 and 7 his last two years playing

I can ignore it just as easily as the rest of the league ignored it. And ignores every other goodish player putting up big numbers on **** teams.

Booker's likely in the top 5% (top 22) in the NBA.

Nope. That's an all-star, and that guy is not gonna be an all star again. But being an all-star is nice, but it's not what gets you titles. If your best player is the 22nd best guy in the league, you are very often out of the playoffs.

Paying the 25th-30th best guy in the league the supermax is a proven recipe for being trash. It's proven with owners willing to spend a lot. But if you know the team you root for, you know that is absolutely not the Bulls.

[Infinity2152]

OK, now people are going overboard, lmao! Booker's contract the next two years is not even crazy for a player at that level.

It's not "crazy" in the sense that a stupid team with a stupid owner agreed to it. But it's a stupid thing to do.

Seems people think the key to winning championships is cost efficiency. We're so focused on getting good contracts. Nobody's trading a top tier talent without some warts (contract, age, injury history, trade demand, expiring). Salary is not stopping most teams from winning, not having high end talent does that.

A key to winning contracts if a Reinsdorf is the owner is absolutely cost efficiency.

Booker is neither cost efficient nor truly high end talent anymore.

Can't ignore the fact Booker was averaging 26 and 7, and 27 and 7 his last two years playing

I can ignore it just as easily as the rest of the league ignored it. And ignores every other goodish player putting up big numbers on **** teams.

Booker's likely in the top 5% (top 22) in the NBA.

Nope. That's an all-star, and that guy is not gonna be an all star again. But being an all-star is nice, but it's not what gets you titles. If your best player is the 22nd best guy in the league, you are very often out of the playoffs.

Paying the 25th-30th best guy in the league the supermax is a proven recipe for being trash. It's proven with owners willing to spend a lot. But if you know the team you root for, you know that is absolutely not the Bulls.

Stupid team with stupid owner agreed to it? It's a max contract. Teams sign them every year. Most of the players who get them are not as good as Booker. Are you arguing he's not a max player, or max contracts are stupid?

We're cost efficient right now with little talent. Cost efficiency does not win. Top contenders were teams like Knicks, Celtics, Booker was playing with not one, but TWO max contracts. OKC just maxed two non-max players. Nuggets had Jokic and Murray and MPJ and Aaron Gordon contract.

Not going to argue the ignoring point, it wasn't to you personal and if you want to ignore his stats, that's totally fine. All he's done is average 26+ plus the last 7 years, with about 6 assists. If you think there are 22 players in that category, more power to you. Tired of arguing with people about how important scoring is, when games are literally determined by points scored. And ALL the top teams have elite scorers.

Most contenders have 2-3 max players. Dispute that. Now dispute that a supermax is a few percent more than a max.

And he might have been an All Star in the East averaging 26 and 7 almost every year, lmao! That award means little, since competition is much tougher in the West. Starting out competing at guard with Luka, SGA, Curry, and Ant Edwards. He could be the number 1-2 guard getting votes in the East. You're really underestimating how hard it is to average 27 playing with KD and Beal, imo.

How about this, name a max player worth adding to the Bulls besides Giannis, Luka or SGA. Assuming we'll add a max player, let's debate the alternative players for that contract.

[Infinity2152]

Correct me if I'm wrong people. There's no difference between supermax (35%) and the regular max for any player with 10+ years of experience (35%)? Most players 29 or older will be eligible for "supermax". Do teams with a bunch of cheap young players (like us right now) generally win much in the league?

In other words, most elite players can/will get what look like supermax contracts if they sign or extend past age 28, barring injury concerns.

[2weekswithpay]

All players with 10+ years of experience can be paid the supermax (35%) if that's what you're asking. The regular or vet max is just 30% of the cap.

You may have a different definition of elite, but I don't think Booker is an All-NBA level player. He might be closer to the 30th best player in the NBA than the 15th best.