The German elephant in the room.

[eyriq]

What’s your problem with this thread if you read it from the first page, this was a question that it was all about the two of them playing effectively together. If one of them has to go it looked like it would be Franz.

This thread singles out Franz in a way that feels more like scapegoating than analysis, especially when it veers into questioning his mental makeup and contract pressure. If the goal is to talk about how to optimize Franz and Paolo’s fit, or the need for a combo guard to balance the offense, great, we are doing that in other threads and have been discussing it all season. But it doesn’t require framing it as some uncomfortable truth about Franz that people are afraid to say.

My intention isn’t to scapegoat Franz, I’m honesty asking the question can the learn to play off each other and reach full potential. If you had to pick either Paolo or Franz to build your franchise around and trade one away it’s debatable and you couldn’t go wrong with either choice, it’s a unique problem we’d have. Franz is so great at what he does good, and so so bad at shooting the three. Does he do enough other things great to make up for that bad shot? Yea he probably does in my opinion.

You don't even begin to ask this question if you are a real GM. You sacrifice a goat in thanks to some deity because you landed on two franchise players out of the rebuild. You are focused on the wrong questions.

[three3d]

This thread singles out Franz in a way that feels more like scapegoating than analysis, especially when it veers into questioning his mental makeup and contract pressure. If the goal is to talk about how to optimize Franz and Paolo’s fit, or the need for a combo guard to balance the offense, great, we are doing that in other threads and have been discussing it all season. But it doesn’t require framing it as some uncomfortable truth about Franz that people are afraid to say.

My intention isn’t to scapegoat Franz, I’m honesty asking the question can the learn to play off each other and reach full potential. If you had to pick either Paolo or Franz to build your franchise around and trade one away it’s debatable and you couldn’t go wrong with either choice, it’s a unique problem we’d have. Franz is so great at what he does good, and so so bad at shooting the three. Does he do enough other things great to make up for that bad shot? Yea he probably does in my opinion.

You don't even begin to ask this question if you are a real GM. You sacrifice a goat in thanks to some deity because you landed on two franchise players out of the rebuild. You are focused on the wrong questions.

If you’re a real GM you don’t site back and watch the garbage offense that’s being ran on the court with those two guys. This season was completely thrown away. For Franz and Paolo to work somebody with an offensive genius mind has to come in and install an offense that features them both in separate ways. I’m all for that also. We all should feel cheated by watching that middle school level offense that was displayed this season and prior seasons.

[JoshuaPotter]

I am more worried about Franz individual play vs Paolo and Franz playing off each other. It's almost like you want them to be pick n roll buddies or something. Couldn't hurt I guess.

For us to be successful both of them need to be 33+% shooters. The idea of them playing off each other is a nice but not needed bonus. The simple fact of the matter is Paolo when it matters rose his shooting numbers up. Franz didn't. That is unfortunately 2 playoffs series of that happening now for Franz.

[three3d]

I am more worried about Franz individual play vs Paolo and Franz playing off each other. It's almost like you want them to be pick n roll buddies or something. Couldn't hurt I guess.

For us to be successful both of them need to be 33+% shooters. The idea of them playing off each other is a nice but not needed bonus. The simple fact of the matter is Paolo when it matters rose his shooting numbers up. Franz didn't. That is unfortunately 2 playoffs series of that happening now for Franz.

They can’t be pick and roll players with each other all the time, every now and then to see them run that action off each other would be nice. The way the team is currently constructed it creates a disadvantage that might be bigger than the advantage it creates now.

Paolo and Franz both have to be double teamed when the ball is in their hand, they both want to drive to the rim. With Paolo and Franz on the same side of the floor you have 1 strong side and 1 weak side making it easier on the defense to overload that strong side, but you can guarantee on a pick and roll between those two the defense will not adjust right it will be cluttered.

Imagine a line from under the rim to half court with both Paolo and Franz set up on the elbow of their own side, there’s no more weak side of the floor, your offense is based off high pick and rolls from the free-throw line

[Idiosyncratic]

I am more worried about Franz individual play vs Paolo and Franz playing off each other. It's almost like you want them to be pick n roll buddies or something. Couldn't hurt I guess.

For us to be successful both of them need to be 33+% shooters. The idea of them playing off each other is a nice but not needed bonus. The simple fact of the matter is Paolo when it matters rose his shooting numbers up. Franz didn't. That is unfortunately 2 playoffs series of that happening now for Franz.

Paolo/Franz PnR is rough because neither can shoot. They do both need to become better shooters.

Franz and Paolo's playoff numbers this year are nearly identical .Especially when you account for the fact that Franz defends better and averaged 1 fewer turnover. Paolo 51.7 TS%, Franz 51 TS%. Paolo did well on his 3s, but negated that by clanking mid range shots and free throws.

[three3d]

The question is still here, can we get the best out of Paolo AND Franz TOGETHER……? I don’t see them as a complement to each still as much as one being in the way of the other. It’s only two games into the season but this question has been lingering since Paolo’s second season, how do you unlock them together, is it even possible to get the max out of both of them together??

[PrimeThyme]

I don't think there is any way around it. Franz, as it currently stands, is just a better basketball player than Paolo Banchero. If I'm forced to choose between the two, which I'm not entirely convinced we have to yet, I'm choosing the 6'10" two-way impact creator to build my team around.

Paolo would have to make a sizeable jump for me to go the other way. I mean, he'd have to be a substantially better offensive player than Franz to make up for the lack of defense, and right now he's not even a better one. That jump was supposed to happen this season.

Franz is a better competitor, defender, leader, winner, scorer, and I could probably keep going. If his 3-point shot returns this season, it won't be a contest.

[three3d]

I don't think there is any way around it. Franz, as it currently stands, is just a better basketball player than Paolo Banchero. If I'm forced to choose between the two, which I'm not entirely convinced we have to yet, I'm choosing the 6'10" two-way impact creator to build my team around.

Paolo would have to make a sizeable jump for me to go the other way. I mean, he'd have to be a substantially better offensive player than Franz to make up for the lack of defense, and right now he's not even a better one. That jump was supposed to happen this season.

Franz is a better competitor, defender, leader, winner, scorer, and I could probably keep going. If his 3-point shot returns this season, it won't be a contest.

I think an honest question to be asked is this, whose game improves the most without the other player? Right now it’s definitely Franz and it’s not even close.

Paolo will get you a trade package of player, players, + draft picks.

How would Deni Advija look playing small forward next to Franz moving Franz into the PF spot ? What else could Portland throw in the sweeten the deal for us?

[basketballRob]

I don't think there is any way around it. Franz, as it currently stands, is just a better basketball player than Paolo Banchero. If I'm forced to choose between the two, which I'm not entirely convinced we have to yet, I'm choosing the 6'10" two-way impact creator to build my team around.

Paolo would have to make a sizeable jump for me to go the other way. I mean, he'd have to be a substantially better offensive player than Franz to make up for the lack of defense, and right now he's not even a better one. That jump was supposed to happen this season.

Franz is a better competitor, defender, leader, winner, scorer, and I could probably keep going. If his 3-point shot returns this season, it won't be a contest.

I think an honest question to be asked is this, whose game improves the most without the other player? Right now it’s definitely Franz and it’s not even close.

Paolo will get you a trade package of player, players, + draft picks.

How would Deni Advija look playing small forward next to Franz moving Franz into the PF spot ? What else could Portland throw in the sweeten the deal for us?

Paolo isn't even eligible to be traded for a while. He just signed an extension that doesn't kick in until next season.

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[Driguez]

I don't think there is any way around it. Franz, as it currently stands, is just a better basketball player than Paolo Banchero. If I'm forced to choose between the two, which I'm not entirely convinced we have to yet, I'm choosing the 6'10" two-way impact creator to build my team around.

Paolo would have to make a sizeable jump for me to go the other way. I mean, he'd have to be a substantially better offensive player than Franz to make up for the lack of defense, and right now he's not even a better one. That jump was supposed to happen this season.

Franz is a better competitor, defender, leader, winner, scorer, and I could probably keep going. If his 3-point shot returns this season, it won't be a contest.

It may come down to personal preference, I prefer Franz brand of bball over Paolos.