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Re: 2025-2026 Regular Season Game 3: Chicago Bulls (1-0) at Orlando Magic (1-1) - 7pm ET 

Post#661 » by KillMonger » Yesterday 8:19 pm

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We ain't making any playoffs if his bum ass keeps playing like this.
Not worried about it, he has every incentive to play better.... Literally had dollars riding on it...... no excuses..... Honestly I don't really care how he plays in the regular season as long as he is playing well towards the end peaking at the right time, I want this team to make the second round at least

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You like how our offense looked in the playoffs ? I think our offense looks bad regardless how many midrangers Paolo hits.
Same old questions appear regardless of number of shooters in the lineup.
Why do you think our shooters are out of rhytm and players hit well below their averages ? Is it a curse ? Is it just random ?
That's a different question entirely, I thought there would be more of a system in place now after seeing what happened in the playoffs. What I was saying is specific to Paolo when he and Franz for the most part were the only players that showed up. This seems to happen year after year.... Paolo gets off to a slow start, then the doubters come out of their caves..... He gets his legs back under him, heats up then they go back into their caves it's a tale as old as time at this point for me.

What's becoming more of a bigger issue may be Mosely, I'm wondering what he's trying to do offensively, does it fit the roster? The quest to be less robotic and more instinctual might not be what's needed. Maybe we need to be robotic and put on rails so to speak.....more set plays where players know where to pass and when, instead of Bane passing to himself causing stupid turnovers because there seems to be little set plays in this offense

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Re: 2025-2026 Regular Season Game 3: Chicago Bulls (1-0) at Orlando Magic (1-1) - 7pm ET 

Post#662 » by pepe1991 » Yesterday 8:43 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:22# offense is dog*** offense.

Those are teams that were behind Magic that year:
Nets : 32-50
Raptors: 25-57
Wizards: 15-67
Spurs: 22-60
Pistons: 14-68
Hornets: 21-61
Blazers 21-61
Grizzlies 27-55

That selective company


So how that team even made playoffs?

Well, bench had 2# best offensive rating in nba, 7th best net rating and 4th highest TS%


I still don't understand what "wing hub" supposed to mean? Like, honest question.
Is that offense where wing pretends he is PG but is stripped from any responsibility that actual PG would have to deal because "well, he ain't PG" ?
The point is that 21 and 22 year olds set the floor for how good an offense can be built around them. They are entering their prime years and we've added to the core with the Bane trade. Continue to use them as the primary playmakers (the main idea of a winghub offense) and let the offense cook.


Offense wasn't good. Team won 47 games despite crappy offense, not because of it.
Last year offense was disaster, and as result, shooting was historically bad.
The Orlando Magic finish the season shooting 31.8% from three, a whole 1.7% worse than 29th place. This is the biggest gap between worst and second worst since 2012/13 and the second worst 3pt% in the last decade.

You can call it nuclear bomb hub, the thing is, it doesn't work. Celtics with 21 years old Tatum and 23 y.o. Brown had 9th best offensive rating and played ECF. Lebron was 22 when he took mediocre Cavs to finals. He was 21 when he made Cavs top 10 best offense.

Playmaking isn't +30% usage on 4,7 apg , crap loud of TOs and terrible offensive rating. It's ballhoging for personal gain.
If that is what you consider "hub wing offense" than Zach Lavine and Derozan are also "wing hub offense" . Matter of fact, Magic offensive side of a ball often looks pretty much how Derozan & Lavine actually look. Empty stats.


Through first 3 games, Paolo isn't even pretending to be interested in making right plays, let alone playmake.
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Re: 2025-2026 Regular Season Game 3: Chicago Bulls (1-0) at Orlando Magic (1-1) - 7pm ET 

Post#663 » by zaymon » Yesterday 8:43 pm

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KillMonger wrote:Not worried about it, he has every incentive to play better.... Literally had dollars riding on it...... no excuses..... Honestly I don't really care how he plays in the regular season as long as he is playing well towards the end peaking at the right time, I want this team to make the second round at least

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You like how our offense looked in the playoffs ? I think our offense looks bad regardless how many midrangers Paolo hits.
Same old questions appear regardless of number of shooters in the lineup.
Why do you think our shooters are out of rhytm and players hit well below their averages ? Is it a curse ? Is it just random ?
That's a different question entirely, I thought there would be more of a system in place now after seeing what happened in the playoffs. What I was saying is specific to Paolo when he and Franz for the most part were the only players that showed up. This seems to happen year after year.... Paolo gets off to a slow start, then the doubters come out of their caves..... He gets his legs back under him, heats up then they go back into their caves it's a tale as old as time at this point for me.

What's becoming more of a bigger issue may be Mosely, I'm wondering what he's trying to do offensively, does it fit the roster? The quest to be less robotic and more instinctual might not be what's needed. Maybe we need to be robotic and put on rails so to speak.....more set plays where players know where to pass and when, instead of Bane passing to himself causing stupid turnovers because there seems to be little set plays in this offense

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Is our offense good even when Paolo hits his shots? We will find out this season unless we make some other excuse.
We can play more sets but nba is going in other direction for a reason and also we just traded 4 picks to enable playing more free flowing offense.
Bad body language also doesnt help.
i dont think its just a slow start but i can be wrong. Better for our team if i am wrong.
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Post#664 » by CocoaFan » Yesterday 8:56 pm

GameOver25 wrote:I'm not saying I disagree. I just don't think Paolo will be able to thrive with how the team is trying to play now. Unfortunately it looks like we have to slow it back down and live with it.
I'm hoping we can make it into something of a hybrid where we up the pace, but if we get slowed down then we look to Paolo and Franz to iso and bail us out. There is real value in having great iso players as long as we can get Paolo to become more efficient. He is only 23.
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Re: 2025-2026 Regular Season Game 3: Chicago Bulls (1-0) at Orlando Magic (1-1) - 7pm ET 

Post#665 » by KillMonger » Yesterday 9:02 pm

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You like how our offense looked in the playoffs ? I think our offense looks bad regardless how many midrangers Paolo hits.
Same old questions appear regardless of number of shooters in the lineup.
Why do you think our shooters are out of rhytm and players hit well below their averages ? Is it a curse ? Is it just random ?
That's a different question entirely, I thought there would be more of a system in place now after seeing what happened in the playoffs. What I was saying is specific to Paolo when he and Franz for the most part were the only players that showed up. This seems to happen year after year.... Paolo gets off to a slow start, then the doubters come out of their caves..... He gets his legs back under him, heats up then they go back into their caves it's a tale as old as time at this point for me.

What's becoming more of a bigger issue may be Mosely, I'm wondering what he's trying to do offensively, does it fit the roster? The quest to be less robotic and more instinctual might not be what's needed. Maybe we need to be robotic and put on rails so to speak.....more set plays where players know where to pass and when, instead of Bane passing to himself causing stupid turnovers because there seems to be little set plays in this offense

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Is our offense good even when Paolo hits his shots? We will find out this season unless we make some other excuse.
We can play more sets but nba is going in other direction for a reason and also we just traded 4 picks to enable playing more free flowing offense.
Bad body language also doesnt help.
i dont think its just a slow start but i can be wrong. Better for our team if i am wrong.
To me he looks exactly like he did right after he came back from the injury, no legs.... Looks slow..... Jumpers short hitting front rim.... Like it is now.... Imo I think Paolo spent the summer working on skill work instead of getting a bunch of runs in.... Game shape is a real thing for him, as to whether the offense is better with him hitting shots? Obviously... Goes without saying, however the answer is a bit more complicated... It's supposed to be an amalgamation of... Internal development, personnel refinement and coaching philosophy...

Some of those things are present and some are not where they're supposed to be currently....only time will tell but we shouldn't be skipping any steps... You don't go from winning 1 game in the playoffs to championship in one off season

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Re: 2025-2026 Regular Season Game 3: Chicago Bulls (1-0) at Orlando Magic (1-1) - 7pm ET 

Post#666 » by eyriq » Yesterday 9:31 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:22# offense is dog*** offense.

Those are teams that were behind Magic that year:
Nets : 32-50
Raptors: 25-57
Wizards: 15-67
Spurs: 22-60
Pistons: 14-68
Hornets: 21-61
Blazers 21-61
Grizzlies 27-55

That selective company


So how that team even made playoffs?

Well, bench had 2# best offensive rating in nba, 7th best net rating and 4th highest TS%


I still don't understand what "wing hub" supposed to mean? Like, honest question.
Is that offense where wing pretends he is PG but is stripped from any responsibility that actual PG would have to deal because "well, he ain't PG" ?
The point is that 21 and 22 year olds set the floor for how good an offense can be built around them. They are entering their prime years and we've added to the core with the Bane trade. Continue to use them as the primary playmakers (the main idea of a winghub offense) and let the offense cook.


Offense wasn't good. Team won 47 games despite crappy offense, not because of it.
Last year offense was disaster, and as result, shooting was historically bad.
The Orlando Magic finish the season shooting 31.8% from three, a whole 1.7% worse than 29th place. This is the biggest gap between worst and second worst since 2012/13 and the second worst 3pt% in the last decade.

You can call it nuclear bomb hub, the thing is, it doesn't work. Celtics with 21 years old Tatum and 23 y.o. Brown had 9th best offensive rating and played ECF. Lebron was 22 when he took mediocre Cavs to finals. He was 21 when he made Cavs top 10 best offense.

Playmaking isn't +30% usage on 4,7 apg , crap loud of TOs and terrible offensive rating. It's ballhoging for personal gain.
If that is what you consider "hub wing offense" than Zach Lavine and Derozan are also "wing hub offense" . Matter of fact, Magic offensive side of a ball often looks pretty much how Derozan & Lavine actually look. Empty stats.


Through first 3 games, Paolo isn't even pretending to be interested in making right plays, let alone playmake.


That Boston team had 29 year olds Kemba and Hayward. Be serious. Orlando's top 6 were all 24 and younger. Weighted average age for Boston's top six was 25.4, for Orlando it was 22.6.

News flash, experience matters. Those teams were at different stages of their respective builds.

Same goes for the Cavs, that was a veteran heavy team. Concepts for you: rebuild stages, the effect of experience on offense, and the importance of context when making comparisons.

Regarding the rest, yes, that is playmaking. Players developing into better playmakers is important.
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Post#667 » by VFX » Yesterday 10:17 pm

zaymon wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
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You like how our offense looked in the playoffs ? I think our offense looks bad regardless how many midrangers Paolo hits.
Same old questions appear regardless of number of shooters in the lineup.
Why do you think our shooters are out of rhytm and players hit well below their averages ? Is it a curse ? Is it just random ?
That's a different question entirely, I thought there would be more of a system in place now after seeing what happened in the playoffs. What I was saying is specific to Paolo when he and Franz for the most part were the only players that showed up. This seems to happen year after year.... Paolo gets off to a slow start, then the doubters come out of their caves..... He gets his legs back under him, heats up then they go back into their caves it's a tale as old as time at this point for me.

What's becoming more of a bigger issue may be Mosely, I'm wondering what he's trying to do offensively, does it fit the roster? The quest to be less robotic and more instinctual might not be what's needed. Maybe we need to be robotic and put on rails so to speak.....more set plays where players know where to pass and when, instead of Bane passing to himself causing stupid turnovers because there seems to be little set plays in this offense

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Is our offense good even when Paolo hits his shots? We will find out this season unless we make some other excuse.
We can play more sets but nba is going in other direction for a reason and also we just traded 4 picks to enable playing more free flowing offense.
Bad body language also doesnt help.
i dont think its just a slow start but i can be wrong. Better for our team if i am wrong.


Personally, I believe the answer is no whether the question is rhetorical or not.

It’s not sustainable dependent upon a number of factors.

To believe otherwise is to think simplistically “if our players hit more shots than the other team then we win”

… well yeah, but what are those shots? Does Paolo and Franz shoot enough from outside for that equation to make sense? What are the quality of their shots? How are defenses set up against the kind of offense being run?

For every powerful and-1 drive to the basket Paolo makes there are 3-4 Carmelo-esque bad bricks that follow in isolation.
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Post#668 » by Audi » Yesterday 10:20 pm

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Is he?

Did Orlando Magic Twitter tell you that?


On the contrary - Magic Twitter is having the same sky-is-falling meltdowns and bad takes many are having here.

Mose has been a top contender for COTY leaguewide. The idea that experts, coaches, players etc would suddenly think Mose is now not up for consideration but instead on the hot seat after 3 games is the epitome of Magic Twitter - so ironic you even mentioned it.


We’ll see.

He’s on the hot seat if he can’t figure out how to make 2 max contract players + future mortgaging Desmond Bane work in a system. He's the first to go honestly. The offense has been glaringly bad. They went out and got him a vet SG and hired him new coaches. Mosely is gone before Weltman is if he can’t figure it out.


We agree here - he’ll be the first to go. Certainly long before any of the core are traded. I’m just saying - 3 games into the season isn’t suddenly shifting lingering opinions from last season for anyone but an anxious and reactionary portion of the fanbase.

Individual players can always have slower starts and take some time to get acclimated and conditioned. Add in a new look to the starting lineup - the addition of Bane is significant when you look at the one dimensional player he replaced. That will also take time for the unit to acclimate to. But I’m most interested in seeing how Prunty’s influence will manifest - I imagine that will take far longer to click than those others - certainly more than a handful of games to start the season. Keep in mind too, a longer preseason used to get a little bit of these early season kinks worked out.

Maybe it’s just me - but way too early to be screaming concerns from the top of the Majesty building.
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Post#669 » by basketballRob » Yesterday 10:37 pm

Audi wrote:
VFX wrote:
Audi wrote:
On the contrary - Magic Twitter is having the same sky-is-falling meltdowns and bad takes many are having here.

Mose has been a top contender for COTY leaguewide. The idea that experts, coaches, players etc would suddenly think Mose is now not up for consideration but instead on the hot seat after 3 games is the epitome of Magic Twitter - so ironic you even mentioned it.


We’ll see.

He’s on the hot seat if he can’t figure out how to make 2 max contract players + future mortgaging Desmond Bane work in a system. He's the first to go honestly. The offense has been glaringly bad. They went out and got him a vet SG and hired him new coaches. Mosely is gone before Weltman is if he can’t figure it out.


We agree here - he’ll be the first to go. Certainly long before any of the core are traded. I’m just saying - 3 games into the season isn’t suddenly shifting lingering opinions from last season for anyone but an anxious and reactionary portion of the fanbase.

Individual players can always have slower starts and take some time to get acclimated and conditioned. Add in a new look to the starting lineup - the addition of Bane is significant when you look at the one dimensional player he replaced. That will also take time for the unit to acclimate to. But I’m most interested in seeing how Prunty’s influence will manifest - I imagine that will take far longer to click than those others - certainly more than a handful of games to start the season. Keep in mind too, a longer preseason used to get a little bit of these early season kinks worked out.

Maybe it’s just me - but way too early to be screaming concerns from the top of the Majesty building.
I don't think anyone is saying to replace Mosely after 3 games. I do think if we're sub 500 and still have one of the worst offenses around the all-star break that his job could be in jeopardy.

Mosely is in his 5th season. You can say the offense has changed this season, but so far, it looks the same.

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Post#670 » by SOUL » Yesterday 10:53 pm

I don't think it looks much of the same considering Paolo is playing off-ball more and even Franz usage has gone down a bit (at least in the 4th). The shooting however has been (the last game + half of the Hawks game).
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Post#671 » by Optimus_Steel » Yesterday 11:20 pm

three3d wrote:People talk about “buddy ball” with Vooch and Fournier but man have you’ll noticed Paolo & WCJ ?

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the locker room was somewhat divided and behind closed doors there was/is in house issues.

How good was Goga playing with Franz last season when Paolo was out ??? What happened to Goga almost immediately when Paolo returned? How does Goga wind up with a concussion right AFTER the game we see him angry leaving the court ripping his jersey almost off at halftime ?




Huh? Are you implying that Goga getting a concussion was Paolo’s fault? I know there is alot of frustration right now but go for a walk around the block…
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Post#672 » by rcklsscognition » Yesterday 11:58 pm

Whoever said the players don’t matter because it’s the system is right. Mosely has absolutely nothing. He’s said as much. Franz says they have actions and that’s really it. They just run an action, it fails, they run another action. It’s fragmented, that’s why only two players are usually ever involved in a play. He’s got nothing. Do some DHOs and call it a day.

Go ask chatGPT what’s wrong with Mosely’s system it’ll hit it right on the head and then have it suggest a new scheme to help Paolo play better and it’ll spit out something Mose could never dream about in twenty years.

The offensive playbook doesn’t have to be voluminous to be effective. Give Paolo 3-5 plays each with 2-3 options depending on his reads, add a play each half of the season and you enter the playoffs with 5-7 plays for him that he’s very effective at. Get him to HIS spot while positioning others into their spot shouldn’t be that complicated nor should it be left up to 22 year olds to figure out on their own.
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Post#673 » by RookieStar » Today 12:34 am

We bricked wide open 3s. Even with Bane and Tyus who are good 3pt shooters. How can you win with that?
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Post#674 » by Bensational » Today 12:45 am

RookieStar wrote:We bricked wide open 3s. Even with Bane and Tyus who are good 3pt shooters. How can you win with that?


Yeah 3-24 from 3 is a shockingly bad night even for the Magic. Had we hit at 29% like we did against the Hawks it would’ve been a tied game even with bad shooting.

Everyone missed and on a lot of good looks - Bane, TDS and even our new golden boy Jase went 0-2 on a couple of wide open looks.

What’s the remedy? Time - to let the conditioning improve and chemistry bond a lot more.
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Post#675 » by RookieStar » Today 12:49 am

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RookieStar wrote:We bricked wide open 3s. Even with Bane and Tyus who are good 3pt shooters. How can you win with that?


Yeah 3-24 from 3 is a shockingly bad night even for the Magic. Had we hit at 29% like we did against the Hawks it would’ve been a tied game even with bad shooting.

Everyone missed and on a lot of good looks - Bane, TDS and even our new golden boy Jase went 0-2 on a couple of wide open looks.

What’s the remedy? Time - to let the conditioning improve and chemistry bond a lot more.


Yup. Exactly. Time. Esp with Suggs till in minutes restriction and Moe not yet back.

If you look at the standigs now you would think MIA and CHA are the kings of the East and HOU the tanking team of the West.

Eveyone chill. Im ready for the panic and the tar/feathers lynch mob but its too early.
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Post#676 » by dsg2021 » Today 1:17 am

I admit, some videos and analysis highlighted it even bigger than I thought, which was, our team defense is nowhere near what we normally get. A new season where we are not in full conditioning, a new pace that is faster than before, new players in big rotation spots, even a couple new coaches on the bench. We are not a veteran, battle-hardened team. They're 23 year olds.

We fix up the team defense, we win that game. But at least without a win in two games, they will look at everything on both sides of the floor with more motivation now hopefully.

Credit to Mosely for using the Challenge and winning it, for digging deeper into the rotation with Jase action, for trying to light a fire in his players. This was not a Mosely product against CHI. We know the defense is better than that.

I would not blame Tyus Jones too much, he's not running Point out there very much. Points tend to feel even more comfortable and confident with some shots coming off the dribble. Even with AB's good game, I was noticing some of his passes were just off, half a foot too low, half a foot too high, not in the shooter's pocket. Nor did I feel AB was racking up any hockey assists. With his defense and length securing him as a top player for us, combined with him still being younger than some rookies this year, my humble advice is to push AB solely into a 2/3 for this early part of the season. Who I did see some hockey assists from was Jase instead. And I think Mosely already figured it out, literally putting Jase at the 1 in his first game. But now it goes to cutting some of those "AB taking the point possessions". Our quarterbacks are interchangeable, but still at the time, should be very specific players; Suggs, Bane, Paolo, Franz, Jase, and Tyus are them. Everyone else is a really good passer to move the ball around and find the right spot, they have the high IQ for it, as well as for cutting and offensive boards, but mainly they can think about scoring first more clearly.

The other tiny observation was difficult to write. Basically, the refs swallowed the whistle against us all game long. Horrible. But instead of yelling at them (too much), I noticed who specifically got the refs to call a foul after like 4 or 5 straight no-call possessions. It was Franz Wagner, and it was because he was the only scorer able to slow it down in his drives and pseudo back-downs. Franz was too dangerous in that position, the foul was clear to see, and he's on the line. Franz is the epitome of "Be quick, but don't hurry." And many Magic players, especially Paolo, can either copy that ethos, or even more directly, copy that pseudo back-down/post play of Franz's.
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Post#677 » by Bensational » Today 1:48 am

dsg2021 wrote:I admit, some videos and analysis highlighted it even bigger than I thought, which was, our team defense is nowhere near what we normally get. A new season where we are not in full conditioning, a new pace that is faster than before, new players in big rotation spots, even a couple new coaches on the bench. We are not a veteran, battle-hardened team. They're 23 year olds.

We fix up the team defense, we win that game. But at least without a win in two games, they will look at everything on both sides of the floor with more motivation now hopefully.

Credit to Mosely for using the Challenge and winning it, for digging deeper into the rotation with Jase action, for trying to light a fire in his players. This was not a Mosely product against CHI. We know the defense is better than that.

I would not blame Tyus Jones too much, he's not running Point out there very much. Points tend to feel even more comfortable and confident with some shots coming off the dribble. Even with AB's good game, I was noticing some of his passes were just off, half a foot too low, half a foot too high, not in the shooter's pocket. Nor did I feel AB was racking up any hockey assists. With his defense and length securing him as a top player for us, combined with him still being younger than some rookies this year, my humble advice is to push AB solely into a 2/3 for this early part of the season. Who I did see some hockey assists from was Jase instead. And I think Mosely already figured it out, literally putting Jase at the 1 in his first game. But now it goes to cutting some of those "AB taking the point possessions". Our quarterbacks are interchangeable, but still at the time, should be very specific players; Suggs, Bane, Paolo, Franz, Jase, and Tyus are them. Everyone else is a really good passer to move the ball around and find the right spot, they have the high IQ for it, as well as for cutting and offensive boards, but mainly they can think about scoring first more clearly.

The other tiny observation was difficult to write. Basically, the refs swallowed the whistle against us all game long. Horrible. But instead of yelling at them (too much), I noticed who specifically got the refs to call a foul after like 4 or 5 straight no-call possessions. It was Franz Wagner, and it was because he was the only scorer able to slow it down in his drives and pseudo back-downs. Franz was too dangerous in that position, the foul was clear to see, and he's on the line. Franz is the epitome of "Be quick, but don't hurry." And many Magic players, especially Paolo, can either copy that ethos, or even more directly, copy that pseudo back-down/post play of Franz's.


Nice analysis!
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Post#678 » by byeganyo » Today 2:01 am

eyriq wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
eyriq wrote:The point is that 21 and 22 year olds set the floor for how good an offense can be built around them. They are entering their prime years and we've added to the core with the Bane trade. Continue to use them as the primary playmakers (the main idea of a winghub offense) and let the offense cook.


Offense wasn't good. Team won 47 games despite crappy offense, not because of it.
Last year offense was disaster, and as result, shooting was historically bad.
The Orlando Magic finish the season shooting 31.8% from three, a whole 1.7% worse than 29th place. This is the biggest gap between worst and second worst since 2012/13 and the second worst 3pt% in the last decade.

You can call it nuclear bomb hub, the thing is, it doesn't work. Celtics with 21 years old Tatum and 23 y.o. Brown had 9th best offensive rating and played ECF. Lebron was 22 when he took mediocre Cavs to finals. He was 21 when he made Cavs top 10 best offense.

Playmaking isn't +30% usage on 4,7 apg , crap loud of TOs and terrible offensive rating. It's ballhoging for personal gain.
If that is what you consider "hub wing offense" than Zach Lavine and Derozan are also "wing hub offense" . Matter of fact, Magic offensive side of a ball often looks pretty much how Derozan & Lavine actually look. Empty stats.


Through first 3 games, Paolo isn't even pretending to be interested in making right plays, let alone playmake.


That Boston team had 29 year olds Kemba and Hayward. Be serious. Orlando's top 6 were all 24 and younger. Weighted average age for Boston's top six was 25.4, for Orlando it was 22.6.

News flash, experience matters. Those teams were at different stages of their respective builds.

Same goes for the Cavs, that was a veteran heavy team. Concepts for you: rebuild stages, the effect of experience on offense, and the importance of context when making comparisons.

Regarding the rest, yes, that is playmaking. Players developing into better playmakers is important.


Hawyard barely played in the playoffs. They had it in the same sense Orlando is having JI right now i guess. Be serious.
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Post#679 » by eyriq » Today 2:20 am

byeganyo wrote:
eyriq wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Offense wasn't good. Team won 47 games despite crappy offense, not because of it.
Last year offense was disaster, and as result, shooting was historically bad.
The Orlando Magic finish the season shooting 31.8% from three, a whole 1.7% worse than 29th place. This is the biggest gap between worst and second worst since 2012/13 and the second worst 3pt% in the last decade.

You can call it nuclear bomb hub, the thing is, it doesn't work. Celtics with 21 years old Tatum and 23 y.o. Brown had 9th best offensive rating and played ECF. Lebron was 22 when he took mediocre Cavs to finals. He was 21 when he made Cavs top 10 best offense.

Playmaking isn't +30% usage on 4,7 apg , crap loud of TOs and terrible offensive rating. It's ballhoging for personal gain.
If that is what you consider "hub wing offense" than Zach Lavine and Derozan are also "wing hub offense" . Matter of fact, Magic offensive side of a ball often looks pretty much how Derozan & Lavine actually look. Empty stats.


Through first 3 games, Paolo isn't even pretending to be interested in making right plays, let alone playmake.


That Boston team had 29 year olds Kemba and Hayward. Be serious. Orlando's top 6 were all 24 and younger. Weighted average age for Boston's top six was 25.4, for Orlando it was 22.6.

News flash, experience matters. Those teams were at different stages of their respective builds.

Same goes for the Cavs, that was a veteran heavy team. Concepts for you: rebuild stages, the effect of experience on offense, and the importance of context when making comparisons.

Regarding the rest, yes, that is playmaking. Players developing into better playmakers is important.


Hawyard barely played in the playoffs. They had it in the same sense Orlando is having JI right now i guess. Be serious.
He was pimping their regular season offense. Try to keep up, sir
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Post#680 » by JoshuaPotter » Today 2:48 am

Gawd I missed you guys.

Let's see how we respond tomorrow. That is kinda how I am looking at the season thus far.

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