I wont stop saying it. Mosley offense is garbage.

[RookieStar]

Ahhhhh... juts like the old days. We really came up to he world when we have these kinds of threads every time we lose a game.

that being said, its too early. Give it 6-8 games.

[FFBlitzace]

As mad and disappointed as I am at these three games (I wasn't even particularly happy with the play in the opening win), I know it will get better. Fact of the matter is though, if proven veteran guys continue coming here and having career-worst seasons in their strong areas, that's not a coincidence and something has to be identified as the root cause.

[RookieStar]

As mad and disappointed as I am at these three games (I wasn't even particularly happy with the play in the opening win), I know it will get better. Fact of the matter is though, if proven veteran guys continue coming here and having career-worst seasons in their strong areas, that's not a coincidence and something has to be identified as the root cause.

Magic curse.... it lives on..

[fateis007]

Ahhhhh... juts like the old days. We really came up to he world when we have these kinds of threads every time we lose a game.

that being said, its too early. Give it 6-8 games.

I have gave him 2 years, quit the next 3. And this looks to be the same so far. At the end of the day it's up to the coach to design an offense that can get them easy buckets, create efficient and coherent sets, and make up for this extra effort they want on defense. (pretty sure this wears them down faster, especially without an elite shot blocker to funnel too)

Either way it wont matter, in a few weeks if the offense looks this bad, he is first on the chopping block.

People act like Paolo has full control and it's all on him. The kid is 260 lbs easily, this high post/3 point line offense they are giving him is straight trash and yes that is constructed. He does not just come in and say, this is what I am doing, everyone work around me. Paolo should be wreaking havoc down low and being used as the roller all game. He is not Kevin Durant, and they need to stop playing him like it. Force him to post on the low block, and use a little hook ( there is videos of him working on it all summer ). Tim Duncan made a living off basic post play, and look what Wemby is doing now. We do not need him "breaking" down defenders all game, just because he can ISO some.

But honestly, Paolo is the least of our problems, his gravity alone will always be positive. Our halfcourt offense overall is just terrible.

[RookieStar]

Ahhhhh... juts like the old days. We really came up to he world when we have these kinds of threads every time we lose a game.

that being said, its too early. Give it 6-8 games.

I have gave him 2 years, quit the next 3. And this looks to be the same so far. At the end of the day it's up to the coach to design an offense that can get them easy buckets and make up for this extra effort they want on defense. (pretty sure this wears them down faster, especially without an elite shot blocker to funnel too)

Either way it wont matter, in a few weeks if the offense looks this bad, he is first on the chopping block.

People act like Paolo has full control and it's all on him. The kid is 260 lbs easily, this high post/3 point line offense they are giving him is straight trash and yes that is constructed. He does not just come in and say, this is what I am doing, everyone work around me. Paolo should be wreaking havoc down low and being used as the roller all game. He is not Kevin Durant, and they need to stop playing him like it.

But honestly, Paolo is the least of our problems, his gravity alone will always be positive. Our halfcourt offense overall is just terrible.

Ok you saw him the past 2 years no? Did you notice we pass a lot more, shoot a lot more and score a lot more? Also we had so many open looks to Bane and Tyus but they kept missing? Its one thing if those open looks were given to Fultz and MCW but Bane and Tyus are known to be good at best or decent at worst in 3pt shooting.

And yes, a lot of those reason why we lost the pasy 2 games were nostly on PB.

[fateis007]

As mad and disappointed as I am at these three games (I wasn't even particularly happy with the play in the opening win), I know it will get better. Fact of the matter is though, if proven veteran guys continue coming here and having career-worst seasons in their strong areas, that's not a coincidence and something has to be identified as the root cause.

Magic curse.... it lives on..

At some point it's not a curse, when veterans come to Mosley's offense to die. It literally is what the stats show, his offense is garbage and poorly managed/constructed.

The tune is getting played out imo. Anyways, we will see what happens, we made our move this summer, so it's all on his shoulders anyways.

[eyriq]

I wouldn't mind seeing this rotation

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: Jase
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: AB
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

AB and TDS should get the most minutes

[RookieStar]

With the PHI coming up and 2 small speedy guards are on the table... i prefer Suggs and AB get all the minutes at PG. I dunno if Bane can handle VJ alone.

[fateis007]

I wouldn't mind seeing this rotation

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: Jase
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: AB
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga

AB and TDS should get the most minutes

I like this, but id move Goga and JI for a stretch big that can defend the post and stick with Moe/WCJ. Goga is a nice piece, but watching a career 20% 3 point shooter stand at the line is painful and I am not sure his defense warrants it. Same with JI ( except he barely plays defense now)

I am still on the fence about AB, he really can only hit wide open shots and doesn't create much offense for himself or others.

[sk8wrulz]

It has been 3 games and nothing still changed. Time to promote Joe Prunty and overhaul the whole offense. Give the ball to Franz and let him operate and unlock off-ball Paolo. Make Bane catch and shoot threes preferably 8 a game.

[fateis007]

It has been 3 games and nothing still changed. Time to promote Joe Prunty and overhaul the whole offense. Give the ball to Franz and let him operate and unlock off-ball Paolo. Make Bane catch and shoot threes preferably 8 a game.

Franz is special, im convinced on most teams he would be dropping 30 a game. He has the ability to literally just run high screen and rolls all game and get into the lane whenever he wants. Imagine if there was a competant game plan around him?

[rcklsscognition]

Too much thinking is the problem, in my opinion. I’m a sports coach. I’ve seen so many players get bogged down by thought processes. It seems likely this is what is happening with Mosely and his wide open do what you like offense. No clear roles, no clear processes. Players that are use to (brought from other teams) doing one thing, are being asked to possibly do three things a play and it’s distracting them from their intended special role. Most specifically this has to do with shooters.

Mosely does not know how to create rhythm threes. There’s not enough inside out ball being played. Our shooters get the ball late, have to shoot with defenders closer than they’re used to after being on a team that functions properly.

Also, the slow nature of the offense leads our shooters sitting 18-20 seconds a play without the ball touching their hand, that isn’t effective.

You bring in shooting spot up specialists then try to turn them into 3 dimensional players by asking them to get involved in complex DHOs with drive kick reads, attack close outs, or even be ball handlers and connectors. Leads our shooters to spend more time distracted by other thoughts than just putting the ball in the net.

I don’t understand why we are not running a hybrid Denver (Jokic) GS (split screen) system with our personnel. Especially Franz. We also have Bane who can PnR and get a small guard on either Paolo or Franz with a switch. No horns either? Paolo spent damn near the entire summer working out of that position.

[fateis007]

I don’t understand why we are not running a hybrid Denver (Jokic) GS (split screen) system with our personnel. Especially Franz. We also have Bane who can PnR and get a small guard on either Paolo or Franz with a switch. No horns either? Paolo spent damn near the entire summer working out of that position.

You mean constant cutting, more then one guard screening for looks and inverted pick and rolls? Come on now, you're dreaming with this coach.

I wouldn't mind running Paolo more at the high post as a playmaker, but we don't really have a competant offense to make all the reads. Everyone is just standing around, and trying to create from top of the key pick and rolls ALL GAME.

I think the biggest WTF to me, is why we continue to play Paolo like a wing. The guy is the size of a center and is pretty much bigger then everyone in the league besides a handful of guys. Everytime I see him pulling up for a fade away middy, it hurts a little bit (and that is actually one of his more efficient shots). Not having him run to the rim on screens all game and forcing him to get in the paint, is a crime.

[SOUL]

I think the biggest WTF to me, is why we continue to play Paolo like a wing. The guy is the size of a center and is pretty much bigger then everyone in the league besides a handful of guys. Everytime I see him pulling up for a fade away middy, it hurts a little bit (and that is actually one of his more efficient shots). Not having him run to the rim on screens all game and forcing him to get in the paint, is a crime.

Say what you will about Mose's offense (and we brought in assistants to help switch up the offense, there are different actions this year), but this is entirely on Paolo. They're not telling everyone else to do that and for Paolo to settle for middies. The dude needs to want to embrace physicality. Until then, he will be an enigma to incorporate in an offense. Also doesn't help that his touch around the basket needs to improve as a big man.

[jezzerinho]

In summary

1) It will get better
2) Mose is a poor offensive coach and Pruntys effect is not yet being felt
3) Paolo is playing poorly and selfishly on offense
4) Players' conditioning was not up to scratch at season start.

All these things can be - and probably are - true at the same time.

[zaymon]

Too much thinking is the problem, in my opinion. I’m a sports coach. I’ve seen so many players get bogged down by thought processes. It seems likely this is what is happening with Mosely and his wide open do what you like offense. No clear roles, no clear processes. Players that are use to (brought from other teams) doing one thing, are being asked to possibly do three things a play and it’s distracting them from their intended special role. Most specifically this has to do with shooters.

Mosely does not know how to create rhythm threes. There’s not enough inside out ball being played. Our shooters get the ball late, have to shoot with defenders closer than they’re used to after being on a team that functions properly.

Also, the slow nature of the offense leads our shooters sitting 18-20 seconds a play without the ball touching their hand, that isn’t effective.

You bring in shooting spot up specialists then try to turn them into 3 dimensional players by asking them to get involved in complex DHOs with drive kick reads, attack close outs, or even be ball handlers and connectors. Leads our shooters to spend more time distracted by other thoughts than just putting the ball in the net.

I don’t understand why we are not running a hybrid Denver (Jokic) GS (split screen) system with our personnel. Especially Franz. We also have Bane who can PnR and get a small guard on either Paolo or Franz with a switch. No horns either? Paolo spent damn near the entire summer working out of that position.

This brings me to wondering what is the dynamic between Mosley and Prunty ? Mosley trusting Prunty ? Does he believe in offense that we are running ? Does he even understand what we want to do ?

I think we are not running Nuggets/Warriors offense becouse we dont have Jokic/Green. Our "playmakers" dont even kick the ball after the drive.
Is it coaching or having no feel for the game?
At what point we stop changing shooters and start looking at best players/coach? Is bringing Prunty first step at that direction?

[T-Cat]

Moseley should lock both Paolo and Wendell in a room so they can learn some Al Jefferson post moves!

The guy learned from Kevin McHale and was underrated during his era!

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[jezzerinho]

Too much thinking is the problem, in my opinion. I’m a sports coach. I’ve seen so many players get bogged down by thought processes. It seems likely this is what is happening with Mosely and his wide open do what you like offense. No clear roles, no clear processes. Players that are use to (brought from other teams) doing one thing, are being asked to possibly do three things a play and it’s distracting them from their intended special role. Most specifically this has to do with shooters.

Mosely does not know how to create rhythm threes. There’s not enough inside out ball being played. Our shooters get the ball late, have to shoot with defenders closer than they’re used to after being on a team that functions properly.

Also, the slow nature of the offense leads our shooters sitting 18-20 seconds a play without the ball touching their hand, that isn’t effective.

You bring in shooting spot up specialists then try to turn them into 3 dimensional players by asking them to get involved in complex DHOs with drive kick reads, attack close outs, or even be ball handlers and connectors. Leads our shooters to spend more time distracted by other thoughts than just putting the ball in the net.

I don’t understand why we are not running a hybrid Denver (Jokic) GS (split screen) system with our personnel. Especially Franz. We also have Bane who can PnR and get a small guard on either Paolo or Franz with a switch. No horns either? Paolo spent damn near the entire summer working out of that position.

This brings me to wondering what is the dynamic between Mosley and Prunty ? Mosley trusting Prunty ? Does he believe in offense that we are running ? Does he even understand what we want to do ?

I think we are not running Nuggets/Warriors offense becouse we dont have Jokic/Green. Our "playmakers" dont even kick the ball after the drive.
Is it coaching or having no feel for the game?
At what point we stop changing shooters and start looking at best players/coach? Is bringing Prunty first step at that direction?

Prunty has been around the block enough to know not to tread on the HC's toes having just walked in the door. Getting his offense installed and functioning will take at least till the ASB, I'd have thought. For the moment, they're focusing on pushing the pace. Because the conditioning woes are holding back their effectiveness playing at speed, it would be a lot to then layer more new stuff on top, till they adjust and get fitter.

[VFX]

Not entirely sure why people are blaming this poor offense on players performance or “being tired” for guys that aren’t even 25…

This offense has been bad forever.

This isn’t new. It’s the structure of the system. It doesn’t matter if they go out and get a top 5 shooting guard in the league if the system doesn’t make sense.

You still have Franz and Paolo in isolation attacking the basket 90% of the time for 90% of the volume usage. Sure the ball might move more out there now, but they aren’t running set plays getting these guys to where they have an easier time scoring. They run basic actions and make decisions based on what the defense gives them. Thats it.

Adding Desmond Bane doesn’t just automatically change 4/5 of the starting lineup into a fast paced transition offense. Carter doesn’t play that way and Paolo doesn’t play that way.

Their entire identity was slow grinding offense and energy on defense. If you are expecting Paolo and Franz to “run” the offense still it’s going to be slow and bad, which it has been for years.

[AdamTheGreek]

Just got to make open shots.