Massive NBA Conspiracy Continues To Unfold! Loss vs DET 10/26

[Parliament10]

Exactly!

If this was a tanking year, Brad would've traded DWhite for a lottery pick, like what that report about Toronto offering the 9th pick for DWhite.

This roster can compete if they can get rebounds.
Only way to do that is to play bigger players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.

A single injury to Brown or White would be enough for this team to really drop off a cliff.

It is not that good.

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

I see both of your points.
Though, I think that it would take a bit more than an Injury to another Player.

Remember, we lost a lot of good Players, and replaced them with Guys who have never played with each other before.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Exactly!

If this was a tanking year, Brad would've traded DWhite for a lottery pick, like what that report about Toronto offering the 9th pick for DWhite.

This roster can compete if they can get rebounds.
Only way to do that is to play bigger players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.

A single injury to Brown or White would be enough for this team to really drop off a cliff.

It is not that good.

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

Difference is we are already not good. The Nuggets have a better roster than us right now. The Bucks yes are probably a Giannis injury from disaster

Do I think we are going to tank? Probably not.

Do I think Brad will go out of his way to trade or sign players that are going to help us win a couple of extra games this season? Absolutely not.

[Parliament10]

Exactly!

If this was a tanking year, Brad would've traded DWhite for a lottery pick, like what that report about Toronto offering the 9th pick for DWhite.

This roster can compete if they can get rebounds.
Only way to do that is to play bigger players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.

Yeah. We're far from a Tanking Team.
But, in the same token, we're far from a Contending Team, as well.

Time to kick it in gear.
I can't figure why we kept Walsh, but didn't sign Bassey?

We also need another PG.
Unless Simons is going to learn it on the fly?

Simons was never a PG.

I believe the best thing to do is start Hugo at SG and bring PP back to 6th man role.
Or start Hugo and Boucher or Mynot.
That way rebounding will not be a big problem.

There's really no shortcut.
If you want to rebound, use bigger players.

Having 3 small players with JB and Queta will lead to the Cs losing the rebounding battle.
Just like what happened in this game.

Whether we like it or not, size matters in basketball.

We need to Start Double Bigs.
And Simons needs to play wsith one of Pritchard/White.

We're basically unprepared. Brad left this Team in a ditch.
1 More Rebounding Big, 1 more PG. It can't be this hard?

[Fierce1]

A single injury to Brown or White would be enough for this team to really drop off a cliff.

It is not that good.

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

I see both of your points.
Though, I think that it would take a bit more than an Injury to another Player.

Remember, we lost a lot of good Players, and replaced them with Guys who have never played with each other before.

The thing I don't understand is Joe played Boucher and Mynot a lot in the preseason.
But Joe went with seniority in the regular season.

Mynot and Boucher had a great preseason.

[Fierce1]

Yeah. We're far from a Tanking Team.
But, in the same token, we're far from a Contending Team, as well.

Time to kick it in gear.
I can't figure why we kept Walsh, but didn't sign Bassey?

We also need another PG.
Unless Simons is going to learn it on the fly?

Simons was never a PG.

I believe the best thing to do is start Hugo at SG and bring PP back to 6th man role.
Or start Hugo and Boucher or Mynot.
That way rebounding will not be a big problem.

There's really no shortcut.
If you want to rebound, use bigger players.

Having 3 small players with JB and Queta will lead to the Cs losing the rebounding battle.
Just like what happened in this game.

Whether we like it or not, size matters in basketball.

We need to Start Double Bigs.
And Simons needs to play wsith one of Pritchard/White.

We're basically unprepared. Brad left this Team in a ditch.
1 More Rebounding Big, 1 more PG. It can't be this hard?

Agree.

A double big with Queta and Mynot would really help in the rebounding department as the Cs would be bigger up front.

[Parliament10]

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

I see both of your points.
Though, I think that it would take a bit more than an Injury to another Player.

Remember, we lost a lot of good Players, and replaced them with Guys who have never played with each other before.

The thing I don't understand is Joe played Boucher and Mynot a lot in the preseason.
But Joe went with seniority in the regular season.

Mynot and Boucher had a great preseason.

This is out of order.
This whole Damn system is out of order!!!

[Fierce1]

A single injury to Brown or White would be enough for this team to really drop off a cliff.

It is not that good.

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

Difference is we are already not good. The Nuggets have a better roster than us right now. The Bucks yes are probably a Giannis injury from disaster

Do I think we are going to tank? Probably not.

Do I think Brad will go out of his way to trade or sign players that are going to help us win a couple of extra games this season? Absolutely not.

You'll be surprised.

Brad will make a trade or trades.

[Parliament10]

Same thing could happen to Giannis and the Bucks or Jokic and the Nuggets.

Difference is we are already not good. The Nuggets have a better roster than us right now. The Bucks yes are probably a Giannis injury from disaster

Do I think we are going to tank? Probably not.

Do I think Brad will go out of his way to trade or sign players that are going to help us win a couple of extra games this season? Absolutely not.

You'll be surprised.

Brad will make a trade or trades.

He's got to. = We have a competent Core. And a Star Player in the Injury Wings.
Either Brad was told to do this, or he's up for removal.

[Parliament10]

Jaylen Brown, D. White, and Pritchard are all Quality and Proven Players. And Tatum is going to come back, this Season.
Tanking is not in the cards (so far). But this ragtag fleet that we have now? It's not going to cut it.

How does this Core, and this Team as a whole, Start off 0-3?

[cloverleaf]

Eddie House was the only guy on the NBC post-game show who had it right. Absolutely nobody is boxing out, and without the natural rebounders they've had in recent years they can't get the boards they need without that.

Joe and his staff have had the wrong emphasis, expecting all 5 guys to rebound. They need them mostly to box out to give their team a chance to get the board.

[Hal14]

I don’t understand why people thought Simons would be this amazing player for us.

He was simply all that was out there considering the Holidag contract.

He’s a stock standard bad team, high volume scorer type player. Really hard to see him become anything else.

You're only saying that because he was in portland (a bad team) for his whole career before now.

What if he got drafted by Denver and jamal Murray got drafted by Portland? Then you might be bashing Murray..while Simons could be sitting in Denver with a championship ring.

Or if Maxey got drafted by Portland and Simons got drafted by Philly.

Or if Herro got drafted by Portland, while Simons got drafted by Miami?

Context is everything.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Difference is we are already not good. The Nuggets have a better roster than us right now. The Bucks yes are probably a Giannis injury from disaster

Do I think we are going to tank? Probably not.

Do I think Brad will go out of his way to trade or sign players that are going to help us win a couple of extra games this season? Absolutely not.

You'll be surprised.

Brad will make a trade or trades.

He's got to. = We have a competent Core. And a Star Player in the Injury Wings.
Either Brad was told to do this, or he's up for removal.

Why does he have to?

Any move should be about next season and the ones after that. When Tatum is back out there.

Nobody should care about trading to scrape a few extra wins this season. That’s just stupidity

[GrandTheftRondo]

I don’t understand why people thought Simons would be this amazing player for us.

He was simply all that was out there considering the Holidag contract.

He’s a stock standard bad team, high volume scorer type player. Really hard to see him become anything else.

You're only saying that because he was in portland (a bad team) for his whole career before now.

What if he got drafted by Denver and jamal Murray got drafted by Portland? Then you might be bashing Murray..while Simons could be sitting in Denver with a championship ring.

Or if Maxey got drafted by Portland and Simons got drafted by Philly.

Or if Herro got drafted by Portland, while Simons got drafted by Miami?

Context is everything.

If you think Simons is even remotely similar to someone like Jamal Murray then I don’t know what to say….

Yes context can matter but it’s quite clear he simply isn’t that good and Boston fans are about to find out he’s nothing special at all

There’s plenty of counter examples of bad team, good player guys too.

And it’s not like the Blazers have been bad at developing players.

[Hal14]

Tatum is going to come back, this Season.

Read on Twitter

Wyc says he's not:

Tanking is not in the cards (so far).

0-3 start. Tatum torn achilles. We slashed payroll over the summer.

And one of the best drafts in NBA history coming up in June.

We might be tanking.

How does this Core, and this Team as a whole, Start off 0-3?

JB is not a no. 1 option..white is not a no. 2.

We have no starting center on the roster.

Simons and other new guys still getting adjusted..

My preseason predictions had us as the 8 seed in the east. Sixers 7, Pistons 4, Knicks 2. So we're 0-3 because we lost to 3 teams who are simply better than us.

[return2glory]

This is on Brad now.
How this team moves forward will depend on what Brad and the owners decide.

Those who were thinking Tatum is not a franchise player, look at the team now.
Not only do the Cs miss his ability to run the team, his rebounding is also sorely missed.

The Cs have the personnel to be competitive.
But Joe is going with seniority, like PP and Sam over the young, bigger, and more athletic players like Mynot, Boucher, and Hugo.
So as long as Joe is going with a soft lineup, with Sam and PP, the Cs will lose a lot of games.

Simons is not being used properly because Joe has him behind PP on the depth chart.
It's time for Brad to trade Simons for a player with a lower salary.
We can see Simons can score, even with limited playing time and shot attempts.
He just doesn't fit in because of how Joe runs the team.

What now, Brad?

Tatum is a top 5-7 player in the league. You take away any type of player like that, that team is going to struggle. Take Joker off Denver, they are going to be a bad team. Take Giannis off the Bucks, they are going to be a bad team, take SGA off OKC, they are going to struggle. No one questions that here. But being said, Tatum will never win an NBA title, unless he is surrounded by talent like he had a few years ago. We don't win a NBA title without Brown, White, Jrue and Al that season.

It was not so long ago that if you said Tatum is a top 5 player, you would be called "green glasses".

Right. He has continued to work on his game though, year after year. D. White is my favorite player on this team. But I love that both Tatum and Brown have worked hard each year to get better. That's a great quality to have.

[return2glory]

We'll see. Kalk might be something, but he was getting toasted pretty bad against Philly the other night. I don't really see it with him, he'll probably be an ok backup, but nothing special

True, but he is still a rookie. He will get stronger. Remember, up until 2 years ago, Kornet spent more time on the floor than a mop. The Australians worked with him and got him stronger, the last 2 seasons.

I don't think the chances of Kalkbrenner being more than an solid back up center will be high. But he could be one of those work workers and puts in the time.

The thing with the #32 Pick, in 2025, is that Brad got 4 x 2nd Rounders for it.
After picking at #28, I think that Trading for 4 Picks was a better choice, at the time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/boston-celtics-nba-draft-trade-back-second-round-brad-stevens/

The Celtics traded the #32 pick to the Orlando Magic for the #46 and #57 picks, plus a 2026 second-round pick and a 2027 second-round pick. The Celtics used the #46 pick to draft Amari Williams and the #57 pick to select Max Shulga.

He did. I think he did that for future trades. For some reason, 2nd round picks have become useful over the past few years. One thing is we needed help this year at the big man position, and Brad passed on a few good talented bigs at 32. I don't feel winning was priority this season with Tatum out and a lot of our top rotation guys gone due to having to get under the tax apron.

[return2glory]

Brad better not make any trades, unless it's at the deadline. This is the team he picked. Give the team the time to gel, even if it means starting off the season at 10-40. Winning is not a priority, regardless of what Joe or the owners have said. Their actions, not their words have said it all. With Tatum out all season and the priority being to get under the 2nd tax apron, winning was not going to be a priority.

Yes you want to win, but sometimes taking a step back to take two steps forward works best. It wouldn't be so bad to get a top 5 player in the upcoming draft for next season and Tatum back. Meanwhile give Queta, Hugo and Minott the reps, so they can develop.

[Fierce1]

Tatum is a top 5-7 player in the league. You take away any type of player like that, that team is going to struggle. Take Joker off Denver, they are going to be a bad team. Take Giannis off the Bucks, they are going to be a bad team, take SGA off OKC, they are going to struggle. No one questions that here. But being said, Tatum will never win an NBA title, unless he is surrounded by talent like he had a few years ago. We don't win a NBA title without Brown, White, Jrue and Al that season.

It was not so long ago that if you said Tatum is a top 5 player, you would be called "green glasses".

Right. He has continued to work on his game though, year after year. D. White is my favorite player on this team. But I love that both Tatum and Brown have worked hard each year to get better. That's a great quality to have.

True.

I don't think Tatum, Brown, and White are done winning championships.

There's at least 1 more chip to be won by those 3.

[Fierce1]

Brad better not make any trades, unless it's at the deadline. This is the team he picked. Give the team the time to gel, even if it means starting off the season at 10-40. Winning is not a priority, regardless of what Joe or the owners have said. Their actions, not their words have said it all. With Tatum out all season and the priority being to get under the 2nd tax apron, winning was not going to be a priority.

Yes you want to win, but sometimes taking a step back to take two steps forward works best. It wouldn't be so bad to get a top 5 player in the upcoming draft for next season and Tatum back. Meanwhile give Queta, Hugo and Minott the reps, so they can develop.

On a normal salary cap, I would agree with you.
But right now the Cs are still above the 1st apron and it would be a waste of money if Brad doesn't do anything to get under that 1st apron.

The Cs don't really look good as they're starting with an 0-3 record.
So might as well trade Simons for a player with a lower salary.

Simons isn't a good fit anyway.

[Larry_Russell]

Losing Tatum is clearly massive, it's basically replacing his 35 minutes with Hauser and Boucher - a gap as wide as the Atlantic Ocean. We badly miss his rebounding and play making. His role as the #1 scorer also shifted JB / White / PP into their better fit roles as #2-#4 scorers.

Also seeing what all the criticism has been throughout his career on Simons. He's a microwave scorer but does very little else. Thought he would be a better playmaker but the guy has 5 assists total in 3 games in big minutes. Doubt he has much trade value aside from being an expiring - we're going have to package value to get a better player in that contract slot.

I don’t understand why people thought Simons would be this amazing player for us.

He was simply all that was out there considering the Holidag contract.

He’s a stock standard bad team, high volume scorer type player. Really hard to see him become anything else.

I dont think thats true about simons being all that was available.