PG: Need some Dark(o) Magic (1-2)

[Boardbreaker]

I refuse to believe Jakob somehow got cooked over 1 off-season. Can someone smarter than me break down our schemes this year vs last year? What has changed?

He’s just out of shape. He’s 30 and didn’t have a preseason.

He played for Austria during the summer, this is likely injury related. He also came out late for the second half yesterday.

[Axe Dragon]

Immanuel Quickley **** sucks. Worst contract in Raptors history.

Yogi Stewart says hi.

Yogi’s contract was 6 years, $24million.

Axe


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[Madvillainy2004]

Insanely terrible defense the past 2 games, 122.5 defensive rating in the 2 losses. The Jazz last year (worst in the league) had a team defensive rating of 120. Just not gonna cut it at all, this team needs to be a borderline top 10 defense to have a chance.

[Madvillainy2004]

I refuse to believe Jakob somehow got cooked over 1 off-season. Can someone smarter than me break down our schemes this year vs last year? What has changed?

He’s just out of shape. He’s 30 and didn’t have a preseason.

He played for Austria during the summer, this is likely injury related. He also came out late for the second half yesterday.

Will Lou said he was dealing with a back thing all training camp and he has the broken nose now. I think its injury related tbh. But we need him to patrol the paint better our paint defense is embarrassing rn.

[YogurtProducer]

Now give me some analysis on his defense vs Dlo and Cole Anthony

This team is fine on offense, even with IQ bricking it up. We need STOPS, and our main pg is getting lit up by bench players

Sure, according to NBA.com IQ matched up with Cole Anthony for 2:58, and scored 2 points on 1/2 shooting, and had 2 assist and 1 turnover. From watching all of Anthonys makes it looks like they were on:

Shead (IQ not even on floor)
Sandro (IQ not even on floor)
Shead and Mogbo (IQ not even on floor)
IQ and Sandro (Pnr - real good one by Turner tbh)
Oreb (IQ not even on floor)
Ingram (IQ guarding Rollins)
IQ (but like... a real good reverse finish over the help, sometimes gotta give a guy credit lol)
IQ + Jak (switch)
Ingram + Yak

So like at most we are talking 6 points, and TBH they included some real good plays by Cole.

Unfortunately, no stats for tonight yet, but from the video,

RJ (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (real tough floater - IQ really couldnt have played it better)
Agbaji (IQ not even on floor)
IQ + Agbaji (looks to me like Ochai messed up coverage here as there is no way IQ should have had to fight 2 screens here)
Shead (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (piss poor screen nav)
IQ (good shot by Dlo - zero help from Jak)
RJ? (open C+S)

so like.. at most 8 points but hard to pin those all on IQ

Soooo of Dlo and Anthony IQ was not even on the floor for about half the makes, and was only guarding him for half of the ones he was on the floor.

Lol you got it bro

IQ doesn’t need to be better defensively, especially in the 4th. If he gives up a straight line drive to dlo or Cole
Anthony or plays weak pnr defense, **** happens. Get em next time!

You asked for analysis and now you don’t like the answer. lol

[Shakril]

He’s just out of shape. He’s 30 and didn’t have a preseason.

He played for Austria during the summer, this is likely injury related. He also came out late for the second half yesterday.

Will Lou said he was dealing with a back thing all training camp and he has the broken nose now. I think its injury related tbh. But we need him to patrol the paint better our paint defense is embarrassing rn.

Its all of that. And playing with a mask doesnt help either. Internally they probably know that. He had a career year last season, played well in summer for Austria and now 2 monts later he suddenly cant play? This would be the greatest fall off in sports history.

I am at a point, where it would be better to let at least his nose heal properly before he plays again. The mask is definitly bothering him.


But our big problems are elsewhere. We are still making too many stupid turnovers and ill adivsed shots. For 6 quarters we played like we should and from the 3rd Quarter of the Bucks game we suddenly stopped it. I dont understand that.

[KG1585]

The starters have been really bad on D, but have been efficient offensively other than IQ. I think Darko is going to have to manage their minutes more and mix the starters in with bench units. Play Mogbo more for defence, especially since Yak is struggling.

[Madvillainy2004]

Sure, according to NBA.com IQ matched up with Cole Anthony for 2:58, and scored 2 points on 1/2 shooting, and had 2 assist and 1 turnover. From watching all of Anthonys makes it looks like they were on:

Shead (IQ not even on floor)
Sandro (IQ not even on floor)
Shead and Mogbo (IQ not even on floor)
IQ and Sandro (Pnr - real good one by Turner tbh)
Oreb (IQ not even on floor)
Ingram (IQ guarding Rollins)
IQ (but like... a real good reverse finish over the help, sometimes gotta give a guy credit lol)
IQ + Jak (switch)
Ingram + Yak

So like at most we are talking 6 points, and TBH they included some real good plays by Cole.

Unfortunately, no stats for tonight yet, but from the video,

RJ (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (real tough floater - IQ really couldnt have played it better)
Agbaji (IQ not even on floor)
IQ + Agbaji (looks to me like Ochai messed up coverage here as there is no way IQ should have had to fight 2 screens here)
Shead (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (piss poor screen nav)
IQ (good shot by Dlo - zero help from Jak)
RJ? (open C+S)

so like.. at most 8 points but hard to pin those all on IQ

Soooo of Dlo and Anthony IQ was not even on the floor for about half the makes, and was only guarding him for half of the ones he was on the floor.

Lol you got it bro

IQ doesn’t need to be better defensively, especially in the 4th. If he gives up a straight line drive to dlo or Cole
Anthony or plays weak pnr defense, **** happens. Get em next time!

You asked for analysis and now you don’t like the answer. lol

Noise + not be all end all but last 2 games IQ DFG% is -4% below expected as well. Ingram getting a total pass for not guarding anyone these past 2 games. He was letting PJ Washington get straight line drives on him for and 1s.

[MEDIC]

You can't become an elite defensive team in the NBA with a PG that can't keep his man in front. Quick was getting cooked over and over again by a PG that isn't even all that fast. We need our Jrue Holiday type PG. Like I said in the game thread, this team looked better with the Mitchell/ Shead tandem.

It seemed like Raps gave up on full court defense. Too much effort. Are they rebelling against Darko already? The Mavs didn't look bothered by anything the Raps were doing.

[DemHeavyHands]

Sure, according to NBA.com IQ matched up with Cole Anthony for 2:58, and scored 2 points on 1/2 shooting, and had 2 assist and 1 turnover. From watching all of Anthonys makes it looks like they were on:

Shead (IQ not even on floor)
Sandro (IQ not even on floor)
Shead and Mogbo (IQ not even on floor)
IQ and Sandro (Pnr - real good one by Turner tbh)
Oreb (IQ not even on floor)
Ingram (IQ guarding Rollins)
IQ (but like... a real good reverse finish over the help, sometimes gotta give a guy credit lol)
IQ + Jak (switch)
Ingram + Yak

So like at most we are talking 6 points, and TBH they included some real good plays by Cole.

Unfortunately, no stats for tonight yet, but from the video,

RJ (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (real tough floater - IQ really couldnt have played it better)
Agbaji (IQ not even on floor)
IQ + Agbaji (looks to me like Ochai messed up coverage here as there is no way IQ should have had to fight 2 screens here)
Shead (IQ not even on floor)
IQ (piss poor screen nav)
IQ (good shot by Dlo - zero help from Jak)
RJ? (open C+S)

so like.. at most 8 points but hard to pin those all on IQ

Soooo of Dlo and Anthony IQ was not even on the floor for about half the makes, and was only guarding him for half of the ones he was on the floor.

Lol you got it bro

IQ doesn’t need to be better defensively, especially in the 4th. If he gives up a straight line drive to dlo or Cole
Anthony or plays weak pnr defense, **** happens. Get em next time!

You asked for analysis and now you don’t like the answer. lol

“yOu AsKeD fOr AnAlYsIS”

[Thaddy]

You can't become an elite defensive team in the NBA with a PG that can't keep his man in front. Quick was getting cooked over and over again by a PG that isn't even all that fast. We need our Jrue Holiday type PG. Like I said in the game thread, this team looked better with the Mitchell/ Shead tandem.

It seemed like Raps gave up on full court defense. Too much effort. Are they rebelling against Darko already? The Mavs didn't look bothered by anything the Raps were doing.

Doing that in spurts makes more sense than giving up the drive down the floor to good players that can capitalize on it. Dyson Daniels, is kind of a wimpy player, he got rattled when we let him drive and gave him a lane. That doesn't work the same on great players.

If Wemby is bringing up the ball then yeah do it, if it's Fox or another great ball handler or driver, then be more conservative? The turnover battle matters but getting stops does too and that means containing the looks we give up.

[MEDIC]

Insanely terrible defense the past 2 games, 122.5 defensive rating in the 2 losses. The Jazz last year (worst in the league) had a team defensive rating of 120. Just not gonna cut it at all, this team needs to be a borderline top 10 defense to have a chance.

It comes down to this. Nothing else really. If they don't improve significantly on that end, this team will go nowhere.

It's not missed 3 point shots. Some games you won't shoot well, but it's still your job to keep the game competitive by playing extremely hard defensively.

[MoneyBall]

It’s still early so I’m not worried yet. Well not about Yak anyway. We know he’s a way better player than what he’s showing. However, where I am concerned is with playing RJ, Ingram, and Quickley together defensively. RJ is constantly a step slow in recovery. Quickley over helps and can’t recover in time. Ingram is just slow laterally. Neither of those three body up with physicality. If you want to point to where we lost tonight it starts and ends there, especially with RJ. He was really really bad defensively last night.

I think we need to play Ochai way more minutes. He’s our best bench player and it’s not close. We need to stop trying to make Dick happen. He is what he is. We are trying to win this year and we can’t afford having Dick getting destroyed out there while he tries to figure it out (which he likely won’t because his issue is a physical disadvantage more than anything).

Separately, I was really impressed with Flagg on the pnr. I didn’t know he had that in his game. He being able to operate there completely changes my perception of him. What a player. He won that game for the Mavs in the third quarter.

Also, Ingram needs to stop looking off his teammates, even when it results in a score. That happened too many times last night where he wouldn’t kick it ahead in transition. Thus far I’m starting to understand why Ingram can be a good scorer for you but not a good first option. He doesn’t make his teammates better. I’d much rather Barnes running the show to be honest, despite his flaws.

Shout to Mamu though. What a good get.

Oh and CMB looked like he hadn’t played basketball in weeks. And his first game is against a huge high octane Mavs team. That’s tough.

That said, my biggest takeaways from this game?

-play Ochai more (and trade someone to make space for him)
-our starting lineup has too many bad defenders in it
-Ingram needs to move the ball quicker and not look to score everything

I agree with just about everything you wrote except for the highlighted part. Why do we want to give Ochai more minutes? In three games he's been 1 for 7 from three, has the lowest ast% of any rotation player, and his defense has been at best only marginally better than the others. He's been completely invisible out there so far.

On a positive note, I like what I see from Gradey so far. I just hope he doesn't regress as the season goes on like he did last year.

[Madvillainy2004]

Lol you got it bro

IQ doesn’t need to be better defensively, especially in the 4th. If he gives up a straight line drive to dlo or Cole
Anthony or plays weak pnr defense, **** happens. Get em next time!

You asked for analysis and now you don’t like the answer. lol

“yOu AsKeD fOr AnAlYsIS”

I watched every Cole bucket + assist and man Ingram was guarding Cole more than IQ was lmao

[Son Goku 25]

Xenophobia is alive and well with NBA reffing. We may never win another championship

I'm hoping we can have AI look at how one team is reffed and project how many free throws the other team would get if they were called the same way.

I'm pretty sure the Raotors would be one of the teams in the league with the highest disparity indicating they get hosed the most

The refs are establishing teams early and I hope the raptors keep at it. Seems like multiple guys are in foul trouble every game and key players that is.

In order to be a great defensive team you gotta keep playing this way and eventually the refs will have to adjust. I just don't know if that applies to the raptors though. I wish we could get some top talent man it's really one of the only ways. Our team is going back to the barney days it seems like.

[tsherkin]

Another nice game from Scottie, which is good to see, even in a loss. We'll see how this goes as the season progresses.

[PushDaRock]

Not exactly a vote of confidence for our team defense.

Well, you're probably not switching up your coverages to emphasize stopping bench players. But yes, the Team D right now isn't sharp. It doesn't look connected. Similar to last year, we were awful to start but we got better as the year went on. We will have to see how it looks with more reps.

Their defense got better when the schedule softened last yr

That's part of it but a D doesn't go from worst in the league to best in the league based on schedule alone.

[PushDaRock]

Xenophobia is alive and well with NBA reffing. We may never win another championship

I'm hoping we can have AI look at how one team is reffed and project how many free throws the other team would get if they were called the same way.

I'm pretty sure the Raotors would be one of the teams in the league with the highest disparity indicating they get hosed the most

The refs are establishing teams early and I hope the raptors keep at it. Seems like multiple guys are in foul trouble every game and key players that is.

In order to be a great defensive team you gotta keep playing this way and eventually the refs will have to adjust. I just don't know if that applies to the raptors though. I wish we could get some top talent man it's really one of the only ways. Our team is going back to the barney days it seems like.

We were allowing FT's at an ATH rate to begin the year last season. Until we establish ourselves as a OKC style physical D, we will get nickel and dimed a lot. Refs are also putting emphasis on certain things to start the year so making a lot more calls than usual in general.

[HiJiNX]

Xenophobia is alive and well with NBA reffing. We may never win another championship

I'm hoping we can have AI look at how one team is reffed and project how many free throws the other team would get if they were called the same way.

I'm pretty sure the Raotors would be one of the teams in the league with the highest disparity indicating they get hosed the most

The refs are establishing teams early and I hope the raptors keep at it. Seems like multiple guys are in foul trouble every game and key players that is.

In order to be a great defensive team you gotta keep playing this way and eventually the refs will have to adjust. I just don't know if that applies to the raptors though. I wish we could get some top talent man it's really one of the only ways. Our team is going back to the barney days it seems like.

I don’t think we are racking up fouls because of style of play — I think we are a step slow and allowing teams to make contact first.

[HiJiNX]

You can't become an elite defensive team in the NBA with a PG that can't keep his man in front. Quick was getting cooked over and over again by a PG that isn't even all that fast. We need our Jrue Holiday type PG. Like I said in the game thread, this team looked better with the Mitchell/ Shead tandem.

It seemed like Raps gave up on full court defense. Too much effort. Are they rebelling against Darko already? The Mavs didn't look bothered by anything the Raps were doing.

I agree that I liked us when we had Davion and Shead. It was 48 minutes of tough defence that other teams struggled with.