PG: Need some Dark(o) Magic (1-2)

[kalel123]

Wemby up next. We are f'ed.

[LoveMyRaps]

I like how RJ has reduced his touches and taken a backseat to Ingram and Barnes.

He’s thinking pass first on offense and trying his best on defense.

Hence why he’s been so effective.

Need IQ to do the same. Less dribbling and more coming off screens trying to get open for a catch and shoot 3.

[nikster]

Wemby up next. We are f'ed.

Giannis, AD and Wemby is a pretty brutal stetch for us, especially with Poeltl working his way back and CMB missing games and getting up to speed

[MEDIC]

Darko and even Nick Nurses scrambling around blitzing defenses are driving me crazy. These defenses only work on the college level or if you have very elite personal like we did our championship year otherwise this defense gets cooked every time.

See........I love it......but you have to have the dawgs to do it. I found the Davion/ Jamal duo highly entertaining. Super competitive basketball. The level of effort & the competitive fire looked so much better.

[kalel123]

Darko and even Nick Nurses scrambling around blitzing defenses are driving me crazy. These defenses only work on the college level or if you have very elite personal like we did our championship year otherwise this defense gets cooked every time.

See........I love it......but you have to have the dawgs to do it. I found the Davion/ Jamal duo highly entertaining. Super competitive basketball. The level of effort & the competitive fire looked so much better.

Kinda difficult to replicate when you got Quickley, RJ, and Ingram as your 1, 2, 3 especially with Poeltl playing like dog ****.

[MEDIC]

I agree that I liked us when we had Davion and Shead. It was 48 minutes of tough defence that other teams struggled with.

Here's an honest question:

What would you rather have:

Davion Mitchell - 12 million
Immanuel Quickley - 32.5 million

Depends on the goal. If i want to be competitive, IQ. Otherwise Mitchell.

I don't think the needle moves much. One is 1/3 of the price & is way better at defense. One if 3x the price & is better at shooting 3's.

Neither is an elite floor general. Davion probably has the better 1st step, but neither is a great finished around the rim.

[LoveMyRaps]

Look at the nasty stuff being tweeted at our players…

Too many immature imbeciles in our fanbase

Read on Twitter

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What the hell is this, that's an insane thing to tweet.

Nasty stuff man. There's a lot more as well. Bunch of kids that hopped on the 2019 title run bandwagon and have no sense of right or wrong.

[HiJiNX]

Agreed and also the development coach argument is a non starter. The raptors are a luxury tax team they need to move now

No coach is going to get RJ, Ingram, IQ, and an out of shape Poeltl to play good defence against a good team. The personnel is the issue.

EDIT: Upon further review, having IQ guard Flagg and sticking Ingram on a washed Klay was a horrible move. Lost us the game.

You have 2 other seasons to lean on as a sample. I get it, the roster isnt built properly, but that doesnt mean you cannot judge the coach on what hes actually accomplished

It’s really hard to judge honestly. Sometimes the players you have are just the players you have. Hard to make anything work when you have three guys in your starting lineup who can’t keep anyone in front of them.

[DemHeavyHands]

“yOu AsKeD fOr AnAlYsIS”

I watched every Cole bucket + assist and man Ingram was guarding Cole more than IQ was lmao

Unreal to acually be provided with the data, and instead of just taking the L, to double down on childish ****

Why do you act like a dumbass tho?

Obviously IQ won’t be responsible for every single bucket, so I don’t know why you went through each point like that clears him. If you’re watching the game like you said you are, then you’ll clearly see that IQ has been awful on defense. It’s not even just dlo or Cole, anytime he was stuck on Cooper Flagg he showed no resistance. Obviously it’s a mismatch but at least fight to push him out

You think IQ has been good on defense?

[LoveMyRaps]

Such a well rounded performance by Scottie.

Watch on YouTube

Making a couple mid range jumpers it the key to unlocking the 3pt shot for him intra-game.

[YogurtProducer]

Why do you act like a dumbass tho?

What exactly did I do to act like a dumbass?

Obviously IQ won’t be responsible for every single bucket, so I don’t know why you went through each point like that clears him.

It was not even that IQ was responsible for every single bucket... it was that he was not even on the floor for most of the damage the players you referenced. Which kind of supports my theory that people are looking for someone to blame and for some reason have honed in on IQ for whatever reason.

If you’re watching the game like you said you are, then you’ll clearly see that IQ has been awful on defense. It’s not even just dlo or Cole, anytime he was stuck on Cooper Flagg he showed no resistance. Obviously it’s a mismatch but at least fight to push him out

I have watched the game, and I am not seeing "awful" by any means.

But lol at bringing up Cooper Flagg like any PG in the league who is a normal size stands a chance against a 6'9 player like that.

You think IQ has been good on defense?

He has been fine. Not a liability like you are making it out and not amazing. FAR from our problem defensively. Ingram has been a turnstile, and a lot of the "IQ BAD" can be attributed to some poor communication defensively with just poor switching and weird rotations, which kind of makes sense in game 3 of a starting lineup that has barely played together.

A lot of the complaints about IQ would be made about 90% of the NBA's starting PGs. It just screams to me that guys don't watch other teams to actually have reasonable expectations.

[Shakril]

Here's an honest question:

What would you rather have:

Davion Mitchell - 12 million
Immanuel Quickley - 32.5 million

Depends on the goal. If i want to be competitive, IQ. Otherwise Mitchell.

I don't think the needle moves much. One is 1/3 of the price & is way better at defense. One if 3x the price & is better at shooting 3's.

Neither is an elite floor general. Davion probably has the better 1st step, but neither is a great finished around the rim.

IQ is the far better playmaker, and thats what i want out from him and that he is decent from 3. That his D wasnt good applies to everyone, even Barnes. Thats more a collective problem.

[YogurtProducer]

Such a well rounded performance by Scottie.

Watch on YouTube

Making a couple mid range jumpers it the key to unlocking the 3pt shot for him intra-game.

Best version of Scottie. Not really trying to create anything himself and playing off others.

I still hate the early clock 3s despite him making them. They're just horrible shots for him to take as I don't yet buy him being a plus 3 point guy lol

[MEDIC]

Depends on the goal. If i want to be competitive, IQ. Otherwise Mitchell.

I don't think the needle moves much. One is 1/3 of the price & is way better at defense. One if 3x the price & is better at shooting 3's.

Neither is an elite floor general. Davion probably has the better 1st step, but neither is a great finished around the rim.

IQ is the far better playmaker, and thats what i want out from him and that he is decent from 3. That his D wasnt good applies to everyone, even Barnes. Thats more a collective problem.

Come on man. IQ's man defense has been Calderon-esque since he landed here.

IQ's playmaking looked improved in the last pre-season game.& the game against the Hawks. I will give him that. We will have to see about the rest of the season.

[Tripod]

Such a well rounded performance by Scottie.

Watch on YouTube

Making a couple mid range jumpers it the key to unlocking the 3pt shot for him intra-game.

Best version of Scottie. Not really trying to create anything himself and playing off others.

I still hate the early clock 3s despite him making them. They're just horrible shots for him to take as I don't yet buy him being a plus 3 point guy lol

Yeah I have no confidence in his 3's going in and prefer he just take them when wide open.

Quite sure he is going to go cold while IQ heats up. The data says that will happen then Barnes gets ripped and IQ gets praise.

I said pre-season that reality is, not everyone plays good games every night. So I expect different nights for different guys within the 4 to lead us in scoring. We need to hunt mismatches and the hot guy to take advantage and the guys struggling or in the "bad" matchup, need to accept that, for the team.

[HiJiNX]

You can't become an elite defensive team in the NBA with a PG that can't keep his man in front. Quick was getting cooked over and over again by a PG that isn't even all that fast. We need our Jrue Holiday type PG. Like I said in the game thread, this team looked better with the Mitchell/ Shead tandem.

It seemed like Raps gave up on full court defense. Too much effort. Are they rebelling against Darko already? The Mavs didn't look bothered by anything the Raps were doing.

I agree that I liked us when we had Davion and Shead. It was 48 minutes of tough defence that other teams struggled with.

Here's an honest question:

What would you rather have:

Davion Mitchell - 12 million
Immanuel Quickley - 32.5 million

Davion

[ConSarnit]

The good news is we’re due for some positive regression as far as rim protection goes. Poeltl, Barnes and Mamu (expected) rim protection numbers have been terrible. We’re getting cooked at the rim, both in terms of shot volume and fg%. Barnes and Poeltl will not be near as bad as their early numbers suggest. Hopefully Poeltl gets healthy soon because if he’s lumbering around we’re in trouble. Anyone have access to second spectrum data concerning blow by stats? Don’t want to pin all of our defensive woes on our front court as the eye test implies our perimeter defenders aren’t doing a great job keeping their man in front of them.

[bape_lovers]

You gonna get based for saying any regarding Freddy

Is this team better than the '21-22 team?

Fred and Siakam > BI and IQ

[Brinbe]

I agree that I liked us when we had Davion and Shead. It was 48 minutes of tough defence that other teams struggled with.

Here's an honest question:

What would you rather have:

Davion Mitchell - 12 million
Immanuel Quickley - 32.5 million

Davion

yep. a much better fit with their defensive scheme/mentality and he's fine as a fifth starter. IQ has gotta score at a high level to justify that contract and he's not looking likely to reach that based on what we've seen and he can't defend lead guards at all. The Knicks had it right with what he was as an off-ball scoring guard.

And it's tough because I really like IQ's attitude/personality but the play on the court is what matters most.

[Jadoogar]

i really hope Poeltl is just dealing with an injury because otherwise, woof.
For a team that's been preaching defense, it's really sad that we couldn't stop a team with no lead guards