PG Knicks/Heat (Everybody hates Yabu?)

[WaltFrazier]

Just have to hope that Yabu and Clarkson get better as the year goes on but Clarkson has been way worse than Payne was last year and Yabu is def on precious’s level.

yabu was a fringe nba player every year but last year on a team trying to lose and clarkson was known to be mostly washed. good luck.

I assume he was lighter just this summer when he played for France? All his remarks about being excited to join the Knicks ring hollow now if he's overweight and not playing well. The promising offseason of improving the bench isn't looking good so far

[jvsimonetti0514]

It would be kinda funny if towns had massive problems with brown after everyone expecting it to happen with Thibs.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It would be kinda funny if towns had massive problems with brown after everyone expecting it to happen with Thibs.

Just holding him accountable, which Thibs was too scared to do with any of the rotational players.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Just have to hope that Yabu and Clarkson get better as the year goes on but Clarkson has been way worse than Payne was last year and Yabu is def on precious’s level.

yabu was a fringe nba player every year but last year on a team trying to lose and clarkson was known to be mostly washed. good luck.

I assume he was lighter just this summer when he played for France? All his remarks about being excited to join the Knicks ring hollow now if he's overweight and not playing well. The promising offseason of improving the bench isn't looking good so far

It's been 3 games. I expected Clarkson to play exactly like he has. Yabu is a cheap risk worth taking. Perhaps we should let it play out a bit longer than this.

[god shammgod]

It would be kinda funny if towns had massive problems with brown after everyone expecting it to happen with Thibs.

Just holding him accountable, which Thibs was too scared to do with any of the rotational players.

he was because of what happened in minny with towns. he couldn't handle criticism.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It would be kinda funny if towns had massive problems with brown after everyone expecting it to happen with Thibs.

Just holding him accountable, which Thibs was too scared to do with any of the rotational players.

he was because of what happened in minny with towns. he couldn't handle criticism.

The only person Tom held accountable was Josh for some odd reason. In all the time coaching here the only person he screamed on is the guy who gave his all. I'm almost certain that's why Mikal got him fired.

A shook coach afraid to hold KAT accountable, Brown already doing what weak men can't.

[god shammgod]

Apparently the season is over, I was hoping we'd go 82-0 but I guess it wasn't meant to be. The sky is falling, we were 1-2 through 3 games last year, how ever can we recover from this loss?

the east terrible. the knicks will fall into a top 2 spot.

but this way we're playing isn't any good. and it won't last. you'll see more jalen isos as the year goes on and you'll see the rotation whittled down. it won't be the same as thibs but it'll be halfway there.

mike brown will ultimately be judged in the playoffs. thibs screwed up that game 1 vs indy and that probably was the catalyst that got him fired. which was fair to me. we'll see how mike does.

[HEZI]

It would be kinda funny if towns had massive problems with brown after everyone expecting it to happen with Thibs.

Thibs revived his career last year after he was shackled in Minnesota. He’s now shackled again.

KATs value will never reach what it was last season. I think we maxed out his abilities as a player

[whocares1]

The FO f*cked up by not getting Brunson another shot creator.

OG is really good all around but he can't create.
Bridges is just ok.
KAT isn't that special at it.
...maybe Clarkson. A little bit of Kolek. And that be it.
Hart in the open court. But now his finger is busted and he sucks.

And somehow, they got some "shooters" but none of them are that good at shooting.

Brown's offense just looks like a bunch of DHOs and trying too hard to run too many KAT/JB pick and rolls.
The movement isn't that great.
It doesn't generate a lot of easy looks.

8th seed.

FO f*cked up multiple ways.
Roster construction sucks.
Brown is average as hell.

Brown is just trying to get some bogus easy baskets by getting some trailing 3's so he can run up the score a little so it looks like they are playing faster. It's a scam. There isn't anything fast or creative about this offense.

Knicks peaked last year.

It's over. Enjoy the fact they are at least a winning team for the next few years because that's as good as it's getting.

They never replaced what Randle gave the team. At the end of the day you can’t depend on anyone other than Brunson to create for others.

It's fine they moved on from Randle, because he tried to create more than he should have.
And in theory, I liked that they went for KAT because they can play 5 out with him at the 5.
Which would work if KAT was a really good 3 point shooter, but is really any better than any other C who shoots good from 3? Is he special? Not really.

Also, they probably figured KAT can playmake some from the 5, give a little of Randle and some of iHart.

Except there's only been like 1 play this year with KAT doing some passing from the high post.
Mostly it's KAT doing P&Rs with Brunson, a zillion trailing 3s, and several of KATs drive to the baskets awkwardly, score half the time, offensive foul half the time, always complain to the refs, drives.

I will agree that he might’ve tried to create too much at times but this team needs another perimeter facilitator and not one like an Isaiah Hartenstein (tho that would obviously help).

Towns and Mikal do not draw multiple defenders like Randle can. This team needs a player like that.

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[sol537]

The sky isn't falling.

1. The offense (shooting percentage) and defense will pick up with familiarity as the season goes along and as Mitch/Deuce return. Those are two of our top defenders and top 3pt "producers".

2. I still think we should trade KAT at some point this season if a better fit presents itself. ie Grant + Advija? Something like that... Even if we keep KAT, I think we can carve out a nice "attack" role for him while playing next to Mitch/Deuce for long stretches.

3. We need to keep empowering OG and Bridges. More touches. More curl plays. More fast breaks. The more involved they are on offense, the more tenacious they are on defense. Both guys are borderline all-stars and, arguably, more valuable to our long-term success than a guy like KAT is.

4. I'm not in love with Yabu/Clarkson/Shamet off the bench. I think they should be phased out or used very sporadically until we can find an upgrade before the trade deadline (hopefully). For this team, I'd rather have Wright, Gary Mathews, and Precious on the end of the bench. Defense + 3pt specialist.

I still think we get that #1 seed in the East.

[TKKnicks1]

Apparently the season is over, I was hoping we'd go 82-0 but I guess it wasn't meant to be. The sky is falling, we were 1-2 through 3 games last year, how ever can we recover from this loss?

Bring back Thibs?

[JayTWill]

It's only 3 games into the season so i'm not going to pass judgement on Brown as a coach. The things he is saying in his press conference make sense as far as pushing the pace, moving the ball, getting paint touches, spraying out to shooters, taking the open shot, not fouling, transitioning from offense to defense quicker etc. Maybe he will get the players to execute his ideas better over time but i'm just not sure if this team has the personnel for his ideology.

I still don't think it was a great idea to not have a coach hired earlier in the offseason. I wonder if he would have agreed with some of the personnel moves made before his arrival. Brown will already have to deal with getting the core of last year's roster to adapt to a new style of play. He should have at least been given the chance to have input on the crucial bench pieces.

[KnicksGadfly]

They never replaced what Randle gave the team. At the end of the day you can’t depend on anyone other than Brunson to create for others.

It's fine they moved on from Randle, because he tried to create more than he should have.
And in theory, I liked that they went for KAT because they can play 5 out with him at the 5.
Which would work if KAT was a really good 3 point shooter, but is really any better than any other C who shoots good from 3? Is he special? Not really.

Also, they probably figured KAT can playmake some from the 5, give a little of Randle and some of iHart.

Except there's only been like 1 play this year with KAT doing some passing from the high post.
Mostly it's KAT doing P&Rs with Brunson, a zillion trailing 3s, and several of KATs drive to the baskets awkwardly, score half the time, offensive foul half the time, always complain to the refs, drives.

I will agree that he might’ve tried to create too much at times but this team needs another perimeter facilitator and not one like an Isaiah Hartenstein (tho that would obviously help).

Towns and Mikal do not draw multiple defenders like Randle can. This team needs a player like that.

I think you're making 2 arguments here.

1) The team needs another perimeter facilitator. Yah, I think we'd all want that. Tbh, that's probably why the Knicks really wanted Clarkson badly. They also went over Simmons and they lost Brogdon.

2) I think the other argument that you're trying to make is that Randle is that guy. He's not and I think all the evidence on and off the court points to that. He never showed up for us when it counted, if we could even count on him to be even on the court. S**t, at least when Mitch was on the floor during the playoffs, he actually had an impact. We've also learned he was battling his own demons off the court. It was never going to work here and I guess that's why Leon Rose didn't want to extend him and had to move him. It's not even worth bringing up Randle at this point because it just derails things. We should just talk about how we need another perimeter facilitator in general.

[thebuzzardman]

They never replaced what Randle gave the team. At the end of the day you can’t depend on anyone other than Brunson to create for others.

It's fine they moved on from Randle, because he tried to create more than he should have.
And in theory, I liked that they went for KAT because they can play 5 out with him at the 5.
Which would work if KAT was a really good 3 point shooter, but is really any better than any other C who shoots good from 3? Is he special? Not really.

Also, they probably figured KAT can playmake some from the 5, give a little of Randle and some of iHart.

Except there's only been like 1 play this year with KAT doing some passing from the high post.
Mostly it's KAT doing P&Rs with Brunson, a zillion trailing 3s, and several of KATs drive to the baskets awkwardly, score half the time, offensive foul half the time, always complain to the refs, drives.

I don’t think that is a fair assessment of Towns (though I do agree with the rest of course). KAT’s passing has been very good in the first two games, even spectacular here and there. More importantly though, he is a special shooter. He’s been shooting 40.0% from three over his career and shot 42.0% from three last year, so coming here with your energy after one bad game is not a good look

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[thebuzzardman]

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per Mike Brown (from the first 4 minutes of the post-game conference:

- We want to generate 20 sprays a game. We had 14.

- Losing the possession game and lack of free throw attempts were main reasons for the loss.

- Heat had 45 transition points against us.

- We can't give up 15 free throws in the 3rd and 9 transition points in the 3rd, they had talked about BOTH in half time. That's where the game is won or loss.

- "Could we have played better offensively? Yes, but it's gonna be hard to win against vs a good team on their home floor if you give up that many fast break points and transition baskets and send them to the free throw line 31 times"

- Josh is still learning on the fly, KAT is still learning on the fly

"You saw the last 8 minutes, you touch the paint, you spray it, you don't go too deep. If you got a guy closing out on you, snap drive it, keep the dominoes falling, let somebody else come in and help, now you spray it. We didn't get that rhythm until late in the game which is fine, we'll figure it out. That's why I'm okay with that, that's still a learning curve. But what I'm not okay with, and it all kind of ties together, is us fouling, and us giving up 45 transition baskets. It doesn't matter how you play offensively, especially when you're still trying to find your way, you can't give points to your opponent like that. It's tough to overcome vs a good team on their home floor."

Other notes:

- "First half we had 13 UNCONTESTED threes and went 4 for 13. We have to take those shots. If you are open, you gotta shoot it, because I don't know if we're gonna get a better shot. I truly believe we'll knock those down. Landry was 0 for 4 from three, he's a better shooter than 0 for 4. Jordan was 0 for 4. That's two guys 0 for 8. KAT missed his first 6 and those are looks he normally takes. If KAT is open, I want him to let it fly. I can't tell you if all 54 shots were good threes, but I know we had the right person, right people taking them."

"IF YOU ARE OPEN, LET IT FLY AND WE WILL LIVE WITH IT"

The problem right now, maybe for the season, is the offense doesn't generate open looks and shots in the flow enough that the shooters are comfortable and make those 3s. I "THINK" that might be the problem with the shooting.

Now, I could blame that on unfamiliarity with the offense, but I'm watching Miami and there's like 7 new guys on the team, yet that offense looked WAY better.

Maybe Brown just isn't that great of a coach. He's ok. He's in the NBA, so I'm sure he's awesome. Compared to human beings. Maybe compared to other NBA coaches he's just kind of there.

Sometimes you just gotta tip your hat to the defense. At least against Boston they were generating good looks that weren’t going in. They couldn’t even do that last night. Only really Brunson and Mikal handled the pressure from the best well. I think the frustrating thing was there was no plan b other than keep shooting 3’s. Maybe Kat’s foul trouble caused that or they haven’t added more wrinkles into the offense yet but it wasn’t a great look.

The Knicks have shot poorly from 3 all 3 games. That's not generating "good looks"

[thebuzzardman]

Sky is falling posters coming in hard. We missed our open 3s and played bad transition D and lost. We still are not full strength and the team is figuring it out. Take a breath. Remember, Yabusele probably won't get fatter and Clarkson can't chuck any worse.

Missed all open 3's, bad defense, no one but Brunson can drive the ball well.

I mean, that's only just about 90% of the game of basketball.

The rebounding is good. The only thing they've done well so far this year.

Luckily, they played two teams that had significant injuries or they'd be 0-3

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Apparently the season is over, I was hoping we'd go 82-0 but I guess it wasn't meant to be. The sky is falling, we were 1-2 through 3 games last year, how ever can we recover from this loss?

the east terrible. the knicks will fall into a top 2 spot.

but this way we're playing isn't any good. and it won't last. you'll see more jalen isos as the year goes on and you'll see the rotation whittled down. it won't be the same as thibs but it'll be halfway there.

mike brown will ultimately be judged in the playoffs. thibs screwed up that game 1 vs indy and that probably was the catalyst that got him fired. which was fair to me. we'll see how mike does.

It's the 3rd game of the season, and their first road game. It's so early that the Rockets are 0-2 and the Bulls are 2-0. Were we supposed to be a well oiled machine after 3 games? This was always going to have growing pains associated with it. We were 1-2 last year and 1-4 the year before that.


The shots will normalize and our offense will improve, if we're going to be a top 2 seed what is the panic over? The overreactions are comical considering what was allowed before this, and how people barely post when we win.

[thebuzzardman]

we're not talking enough about jordan clarkson's 2-11 FG, 0-4 from 3 performance

I kind of failed to notice Chuckson's performance at 4 million per year vs KAT's at 50+ million per

[thebuzzardman]

Hart has looked atrocious lately too

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Thibs ran him into ground. He's the Knicks' Deng.