PG Knicks/Heat (Everybody hates Yabu?)

[Gravy]

We are missing one guy, a guy who misses at least 50% of the games every year anyway.

McBride needing a personal day hurt the most.

So....we are shorthanded. Thanks for clearing that up.

They were more shorthanded than our Roster.

Thats right, I forgot they did not have Herro and Rozier. Celtics and Cavs were missing big pieces too.

[Jalen Bluntson]

They were more shorthanded than our Roster.

Good for them. Irrelevant.

We are trying to set roles and rotations as we build chemistry with a new system on both ends and a new HC. Having a key player like Deuce out and not having Mitch working on his own role does not help us in those areas.

3 games in. Two nice wins to start the season. What are we expecting here?

If its irrelevant why you cryin so hard about being shorthanded, and so adamant about it you had to even make a "gotchya post" about it? Hypocrite.

"We were shorthanded!!"

So were they

"Irrelevant"

WTF?

There's a reason you're on ignore. Stay there and be quiet.

Our being shorthanded impacts what WE are trying to do as a team. It disrupts things. We are a work in progress and that requires some continuity for OUR team. It's not that complicated that it needs explaining but, obviously, you're confused as usual.

Thanks. Bye.

[Guano]

Im mildly concerned about the kat and brown relationship.

Between that interview where kat expressed confusion about his role. His poor performances so far and them having an argument on the bench its somewhat concerning. Hopefully its just early growing pains and things smooth out.

[3toheadmelo]

Im mildly concerned about the kat and brown relationship.

Between that interview where kat expressed confusion about his role. His poor performances so far and them having an argument on the bench its somewhat concerning. Hopefully it’s just early growing pains and things smooth out.

KAT is the ultimate coach killer

[kNicksGmen]

So....we are shorthanded. Thanks for clearing that up.

They were more shorthanded than our Roster.

Thats right, I forgot they did not have Herro and Rozier. Celtics and Cavs were missing big pieces too.

herro sucks on defense so it's prob a wash.

[whocares1]

It's fine they moved on from Randle, because he tried to create more than he should have.
And in theory, I liked that they went for KAT because they can play 5 out with him at the 5.
Which would work if KAT was a really good 3 point shooter, but is really any better than any other C who shoots good from 3? Is he special? Not really.

Also, they probably figured KAT can playmake some from the 5, give a little of Randle and some of iHart.

Except there's only been like 1 play this year with KAT doing some passing from the high post.
Mostly it's KAT doing P&Rs with Brunson, a zillion trailing 3s, and several of KATs drive to the baskets awkwardly, score half the time, offensive foul half the time, always complain to the refs, drives.

I will agree that he might’ve tried to create too much at times but this team needs another perimeter facilitator and not one like an Isaiah Hartenstein (tho that would obviously help).

Towns and Mikal do not draw multiple defenders like Randle can. This team needs a player like that.

I think you're making 2 arguments here.

1) The team needs another perimeter facilitator. Yah, I think we'd all want that. Tbh, that's probably why the Knicks really wanted Clarkson badly. They also went over Simmons and they lost Brogdon.

2) I think the other argument that you're trying to make is that Randle is that guy. He's not and I think all the evidence on and off the court points to that. He never showed up for us when it counted, if we could even count on him to be even on the court. S**t, at least when Mitch was on the floor during the playoffs, he actually had an impact. We've also learned he was battling his own demons off the court. It was never going to work here and I guess that's why Leon Rose didn't want to extend him and had to move him. It's not even worth bringing up Randle at this point because it just derails things. We should just talk about how we need another perimeter facilitator in general.

I’m not even saying Randle has to be the guy obviously that’s not going to happen, but there needs to be someone else other than Brunson that can dribble the ball on the perimeter and create for himself and others at an elite level. Doesn’t have to be all nba level but it needs to be close to it.

[3toheadmelo]

They were more shorthanded than our Roster.

Thats right, I forgot they did not have Herro and Rozier. Celtics and Cavs were missing big pieces too.

herro sucks on defense so it's prob a wash.

Herro is an all star.. how is that a wash? That’s a major piece lol

[mpharris36]

The sky isn't falling.

1. The offense (shooting percentage) and defense will pick up with familiarity as the season goes along and as Mitch/Deuce return. Those are two of our top defenders and top 3pt "producers".

2. I still think we should trade KAT at some point this season if a better fit presents itself. ie Grant + Advija? Something like that... Even if we keep KAT, I think we can carve out a nice "attack" role for him while playing next to Mitch/Deuce for long stretches.

3. We need to keep empowering OG and Bridges. More touches. More curl plays. More fast breaks. The more involved they are on offense, the more tenacious they are on defense. Both guys are borderline all-stars and, arguably, more valuable to our long-term success than a guy like KAT is.

4. I'm not in love with Yabu/Clarkson/Shamet off the bench. I think they should be phased out or used very sporadically until we can find an upgrade before the trade deadline (hopefully). For this team, I'd rather have Wright, Gary Mathews, and Precious on the end of the bench. Defense + 3pt specialist.

I still think we get that #1 seed in the East.

The issue with any KAT trade is his ability to play center...as we saw last night...Hukporti is a bit of a wild card...he might be affective sometimes but he is still young and you don't know what you're getting from him.

And then Mitch is just a complete unknown. You cant lose KAT for wings at this point if your trying to win because we have no trust worthy bigs.



early sample size of lineups but what can we tell here...

KAT at the 4 is not ideal- that is our most played lineup and it basically is a net neutral in 20 minutes so far.

our best two lineups are KAT at the 5 with either McBride or Hart with the starters.

The Yabusele minutes (and Clarkson) for that matter have been horrendous. The are in most of our negative lineups that continue to get outplayed.

The worst lineup we have out there playing right now is Kolek/Clarkson/OG/Yabu/KAT...that lineup from Brown needs to be sent to the moon. That is two bad perimeter defenders coupled with two bad big defenders...and then thinking OG can make up there issues is not a good idea. They have a net -31.3 rating in 9 minutes (so nearly a qtr of action together).

[mpharris36]

McBride is needed as the connector piece we really missed him last night.

And we really need Mitch back to take Hukporti pretty **** minutes.

Also noticeable the bench is playing at a suck ass pace...the starters are trying to push for the most part...the bench is playing at a glacial pace and its a rough watch.

I think its because its basically Kolek trying to do all of the playmaking...OG really isn't a shot creator and we were hoping Clarkson could take some of that role but he's been bad. You either need to add Mikal to that lineup to give a little more playmaking options or add Josh Hart to have him help push the pace instead of Yabu fat ass.

[Reign23]

damn, KAT has one bad game while injured and is immediately getting shipped out again

[Capn'O]

Im mildly concerned about the kat and brown relationship.

Between that interview where kat expressed confusion about his role. His poor performances so far and them having an argument on the bench its somewhat concerning. Hopefully its just early growing pains and things smooth out.

Spoiler:

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Starks-Nelson-Feud-Turns-Nasty-2991067.php

Just 57 games into his tenure as Knicks coach, Nelson is having a very hard time finding supporters in New York. His conflicts with his players have been well-chronicled so far -- Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, Derek Harper, John Starks and the now-departed Charles Smith have all found fault in the man with the rep as a "players' coach." But Nelson couldn't even catch a break after a face-saving rout of the Warriors on Sunday that ended an ugly five-game losing streak.

Starks, benched by Nelson during the trip, came off the bench to score 21 points Sunday, then went off on his coach. "You don't take advantage of a player, try to make him look bad," he said. "All of a sudden, you boost another player in front of him? If you want that to happen, be a man about and say you want the situation to be this way." He added that the whole rift had made his relationship with Nelson (ironically, his first NBA coach as an undrafted rookie in 1988) "unhealable. You can never heal the hurt."

[thebuzzardman]

Im mildly concerned about the kat and brown relationship.

Between that interview where kat expressed confusion about his role. His poor performances so far and them having an argument on the bench its somewhat concerning. Hopefully its just early growing pains and things smooth out.

KAT is a primadonna. No one notices because he’s so laconic and lackadaisical

[robillionaire]

I know I'm not in the minority here when I say I absolutely love KAT shooting 8 threes a game. Thibs had the best shooting big man playing like Luc Longley. I'm glad Brown recognizes what the strengths are and is giving him the green light. Those threes will start going in and when they do we won't be having this conversation.

I’m fine with him shooting 8 3s a game too. But he started out 0-6. I’m of the opinion if you miss the first 2-3 (and really this goes for anybody) maybe it’s a good idea try to adjust get something going in the paint going to the rim to see a shot go down and then maybe go back to it. I can’t say I like OG shooting 12 of his 13 attempts from 3 either. I get that’s what the league gravitates toward now but these guys aren’t just spot up shooters they have more versatility

[Guano]

Im mildly concerned about the kat and brown relationship.

Between that interview where kat expressed confusion about his role. His poor performances so far and them having an argument on the bench its somewhat concerning. Hopefully its just early growing pains and things smooth out.

Spoiler:

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Starks-Nelson-Feud-Turns-Nasty-2991067.php

Just 57 games into his tenure as Knicks coach, Nelson is having a very hard time finding supporters in New York. His conflicts with his players have been well-chronicled so far -- Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, Derek Harper, John Starks and the now-departed Charles Smith have all found fault in the man with the rep as a "players' coach." But Nelson couldn't even catch a break after a face-saving rout of the Warriors on Sunday that ended an ugly five-game losing streak.

Starks, benched by Nelson during the trip, came off the bench to score 21 points Sunday, then went off on his coach. "You don't take advantage of a player, try to make him look bad," he said. "All of a sudden, you boost another player in front of him? If you want that to happen, be a man about and say you want the situation to be this way." He added that the whole rift had made his relationship with Nelson (ironically, his first NBA coach as an undrafted rookie in 1988) "unhealable. You can never heal the hurt."

GDI

Sham has us doing his dirty work.

He is basically Iago from Othello.

[Guano]

I dont like losing and I refuse to be grounded and rational about it this year. Expect the same energy about wins too. Im not on greenies level... no one is. But we have high expectations this year and probably the only year in my lifetime we have a legit shot at a title. So expect me to to go in on kat or anyone(not og) else if they fck up my one shot to experienxe basketball glory.

[KnixinSix]

The sky isn't falling.

1. The offense (shooting percentage) and defense will pick up with familiarity as the season goes along and as Mitch/Deuce return. Those are two of our top defenders and top 3pt "producers".

2. I still think we should trade KAT at some point this season if a better fit presents itself. ie Grant + Advija? Something like that... Even if we keep KAT, I think we can carve out a nice "attack" role for him while playing next to Mitch/Deuce for long stretches.

3. We need to keep empowering OG and Bridges. More touches. More curl plays. More fast breaks. The more involved they are on offense, the more tenacious they are on defense. Both guys are borderline all-stars and, arguably, more valuable to our long-term success than a guy like KAT is.

4. I'm not in love with Yabu/Clarkson/Shamet off the bench. I think they should be phased out or used very sporadically until we can find an upgrade before the trade deadline (hopefully). For this team, I'd rather have Wright, Gary Mathews, and Precious on the end of the bench. Defense + 3pt specialist.

I still think we get that #1 seed in the East.

The issue with any KAT trade is his ability to play center...as we saw last night...Hukporti is a bit of a wild card...he might be affective sometimes but he is still young and you don't know what you're getting from him.

And then Mitch is just a complete unknown. You cant lose KAT for wings at this point if your trying to win because we have no trust worthy bigs.



early sample size of lineups but what can we tell here...

KAT at the 4 is not ideal- that is our most played lineup and it basically is a net neutral in 20 minutes so far.

our best two lineups are KAT at the 5 with either McBride or Hart with the starters.

The Yabusele minutes (and Clarkson) for that matter have been horrendous. The are in most of our negative lineups that continue to get outplayed.

The worst lineup we have out there playing right now is Kolek/Clarkson/OG/Yabu/KAT...that lineup from Brown needs to be sent to the moon. That is two bad perimeter defenders coupled with two bad big defenders...and then thinking OG can make up there issues is not a good idea. They have a net -31.3 rating in 9 minutes (so nearly a qtr of action together).

Shooting percentages from 3 should absolutely improve as they grow in confidence in what to do in the system. When it becomes 2nd hand for them. Which in theory should happen over the course of the 1st quarter of the season.

Then when Mitch and McBride returns Clarkson and Yabu will have lesser minutes anyways.

[mpharris36]

I dont like losing and I refuse to be grounded and rational about it this year. Expect the same energy about wins too. Im not on greenies level... no one is. But we have high expectations this year and probably the only year in my lifetime we have a legit shot at a title. So expect me to to go in on kat or anyone(not og) else if they fck up my one shot to experienxe basketball glory.

Og is a lil delusional about his offensive repertoire

[vallen]

Good for them. Irrelevant.

We are trying to set roles and rotations as we build chemistry with a new system on both ends and a new HC. Having a key player like Deuce out and not having Mitch working on his own role does not help us in those areas.

3 games in. Two nice wins to start the season. What are we expecting here?

If its irrelevant why you cryin so hard about being shorthanded, and so adamant about it you had to even make a "gotchya post" about it? Hypocrite.

"We were shorthanded!!"

So were they

"Irrelevant"

WTF?

There's a reason you're on ignore. Stay there and be quiet.

Our being shorthanded impacts what WE are trying to do as a team. It disrupts things. We are a work in progress and that requires some continuity for OUR team. It's not that complicated that it needs explaining but, obviously, you're confused as usual.

Thanks. Bye.

I think your Parents fed you too much Tylenol growing up.

[RHODEY]

New system...Allan Hahn said he wouldn't be surprised if we were 10-10 after 20 games....but its to be expected . Its happened to other teams and we wont be the last. The good news is that you can see how lethal this system can be, because even without the shots falling we have won or have been in the game.

[thebuzzardman]

New system...Allan Hahn said he wouldn't be surprised if we were 10-10 after 20 games....but its to be expected . Its happened to other teams and we wont be the last. The good news is that you can see how lethal this system can be, because even without the shots falling we have won or have been in the game.

I said they would go 10 and 10 and got called negative!