2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[twix2500]

As a team so far out of the first 3 games, the Heat lead the league in fastbreak points according to TeamRanking.com at 26.3.
For Context, TeamRanking.com had the Heat averaging 14.1 fastbreak points last season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Hold on, hold on. Herro was producing efficiently in the nonsense they scooped together when they lost Jimmy midseason.

Also just think about where they are in their careers. Herro is 25 doing what he did as the number 1 target on opposing scouting reports, while Powell is 32 and didn't start playing this well till he was 30. Thats a BIG difference. Powell could start falling off next season and that would be normal, while Herro is just beginning his prime. Investing in Powell over Herro long term probably isn't the smartest thing, especially after the great season Herro just had.

Money matters just as much as age.

Powell at 4/100 vs herro at 4/180 is a pretty big difference for similar archetypes.

Yeah if you had another star available for Powell
to play off of. In our situation you'd be leaning into a late bloomer at the end of his prime, that historically tends to break down when you do that for too long. I mean why else do we think we got Powell for so cheap? The Clippers didnt give him out of the goodness in their heart.

Atleast with Herro, its far more likely he keeps up his good play for next 4 years. There's even still potential for him to improve even more. With Powell, this is his peak. He's not getting any better. Infact, he's likely going to start getting worse.

Herro has had 1 strong offensive year which could be the outlier. He's been injury prone for most of his career. Powell isn't just 1 year wonder. He's been playing at this level for 5ish years. Herro has had 1 and was only an AS as a last minute fill in in a watered down East. If Powell was in the East, he'd probably have at least 1 AS under his belt. Herro most definitely has question marks, just as many as Powell. Neither will ever be an average defender.

Powell was available because:

1. He wanted an extension at above market value.
2. His archtype has no value in this current climate.

That's why he was available. Not because he's a bad player.

Fair to say they are quite similar. Both are good players with similar strengths and weaknesses.

[fishfuego.]

Money matters just as much as age.

Powell at 4/100 vs herro at 4/180 is a pretty big difference for similar archetypes.

Yeah if you had another star available for Powell
to play off of. In our situation you'd be leaning into a late bloomer at the end of his prime, that historically tends to break down when you do that for too long. I mean why else do we think we got Powell for so cheap? The Clippers didnt give him out of the goodness in their heart.

Atleast with Herro, its far more likely he keeps up his good play for next 4 years. There's even still potential for him to improve even more. With Powell, this is his peak. He's not getting any better. Infact, he's likely going to start getting worse.

Herro has had 1 strong offensive year which could be the outlier. He's been injury prone for most of his career. Powell isn't just 1 year wonder. He's been playing at this level for 5ish years. Herro has had 1 and was only an AS as a last minute fill in in a watered down East. If Powell was in the East, he'd probably have at least 1 AS under his belt. Herro most definitely has question marks, just as many as Powell. Neither will ever be an average defender.

Powell was available because:

1. He wanted an extension at above market value.
2. His archtype has no value in this current climate.

That's why he was available. Not because he's a bad player.

Fair to say they are quite similar. Both are good players with similar strengths and weaknesses.

Everything (rings) true, however in the case of one vs the other, age wins the day.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Yeah if you had another star available for Powell
to play off of. In our situation you'd be leaning into a late bloomer at the end of his prime, that historically tends to break down when you do that for too long. I mean why else do we think we got Powell for so cheap? The Clippers didnt give him out of the goodness in their heart.

Atleast with Herro, its far more likely he keeps up his good play for next 4 years. There's even still potential for him to improve even more. With Powell, this is his peak. He's not getting any better. Infact, he's likely going to start getting worse.

Herro has had 1 strong offensive year which could be the outlier. He's been injury prone for most of his career. Powell isn't just 1 year wonder. He's been playing at this level for 5ish years. Herro has had 1 and was only an AS as a last minute fill in in a watered down East. If Powell was in the East, he'd probably have at least 1 AS under his belt. Herro most definitely has question marks, just as many as Powell. Neither will ever be an average defender.

Powell was available because:

1. He wanted an extension at above market value.
2. His archtype has no value in this current climate.

That's why he was available. Not because he's a bad player.

Fair to say they are quite similar. Both are good players with similar strengths and weaknesses.

Everything (rings) true, however in the case of one vs the other, age wins the day.

Actually, money does.

If herro gets similar money to powell, the you are right. You take age. But if herro is asking for twice as much? You take the cheaper player regardless of age.

[twix2500]

Andrew Wiggins is doing great in transition. He is leading the team in fastbreak points at 5 fastbreak points per game. The problem is he is struggling scoring in the halfcourt.

Fontecchio is averaging 4 fastbreak pts per game.
Bam is averaging 3.3 fastbreak pts per game. Way above their career averages.

[Shewasfly]

The Heat likely wouldn't have traded for him with that type of liability attached to him. Most teams wouldn't; take a look at Malik Beasley. Your front office knew about the illegal actions, the NBA knew about the illegal actions, both tried to sweep it under the rug and wash their hands of it while Miami was left holding the bag. If the heat knew, I'd agree with you. But they didn't. Do you know what that's called in litigation?.........Neither do I, but I want something back for getting bamboozled dammit!

It is concealment and would easily lead to a breach of contract in legal context.

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

You are still focusing on outcome of the investigation rather than the investigation itself. My understanding is that the Heat were not even made aware that an investigation happened. That's a problem.

[lastb1ckman]

Herro has had 1 strong offensive year which could be the outlier. He's been injury prone for most of his career. Powell isn't just 1 year wonder. He's been playing at this level for 5ish years. Herro has had 1 and was only an AS as a last minute fill in in a watered down East. If Powell was in the East, he'd probably have at least 1 AS under his belt. Herro most definitely has question marks, just as many as Powell. Neither will ever be an average defender.

Powell was available because:

1. He wanted an extension at above market value.
2. His archtype has no value in this current climate.

That's why he was available. Not because he's a bad player.

Fair to say they are quite similar. Both are good players with similar strengths and weaknesses.

Everything (rings) true, however in the case of one vs the other, age wins the day.

Actually, money does.

If herro gets similar money to powell, the you are right. You take age. But if herro is asking for twice as much? You take the cheaper player regardless of age.

Yeah if the age is a few years like with Reaves and Herro. They're legit on opposite ends of their primes and look at Norman Powell's games played over the last decade. He's also had injury problems. If their archetype is so undervalued in this league, why extend Powell at all? Especially on a young team with no super star? Atleast with Herro there's a much longer runway and potential to improve.

Note: if this season is successful, I'm expecting both to get extended. With Herro at like 40 million. Not the max, but an upgrade from his current. And Powell will get paid and fade into a back up role as he ages and the rest of the team ascends.

[Shewasfly]

These calls to trade Herro are getting desperate. Its like some of you (non-stans) decided Herro wasn't a good player early on, and just want to be right in the end. The boy has improved. It's actually a good thing for our team. Let it go.

Also by the eye test, our worst lineups seem to happen when we have a lack of shooting. Getting rid of your best shooter helps none. Even if you want to say defensively getting rid of him helps, you can't do much worse than Davion has looked defensively to start the season and we're still managing to look decent on that end.

I think Herro is going to fit like a glove. Herro was off ball often his rookie year, used very similarly to Duncan. He will flourish in that role. But it was hard to do that last year with no creators. He was the only one that could move the defense so by default he was handling a lot more. With this new system, it's less dependent on one individual creator and more on flow and ball movement. So he'll get his looks off ball that way. I know Powell will welcome Herro coming back too. He and Herro seem to be developing a relationship based on their interactions I've seen on the bench. A 1-2 punch of Herro and Powell will be deadly. And I suppose if Wiggins is going to stay it makes sense to have him at the 3 if he can be as much of a defensive stopper as he is a ball stopper

But I do wonder if Spo will explore the option of playing Powell at 3, Herro at 2, and keeping a defender at the 1 (Davion or Dru).

[Beenie]

Id trade Herro and Bam and picks for Giannis

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Id trade Herro and Bam and picks for Giannis

I’d assume he wouldn’t leave Milwaukee to come treadmill in Miami, you have to find a way to keep yalls favorite Edrice.

[Beenie]

Id trade Herro and Bam and picks for Giannis

I’d assume he wouldn’t leave Milwaukee to come treadmill in Miami, you have to find a way to keep yalls favorite Edrice.

Naw, Mia would have enough ammo to go after another player though to pair with Giannis.

[insfo]

3 games into the season, we are back on the trade Herro bandwagon

Bam better make sure he doesn’t take any time off or else we might decide to build around Ware instead!

[insfo]

That said, if the Giannis pipedream ever became a possibility, send them both!

[twix2500]

It is concealment and would easily lead to a breach of contract in legal context.

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

You are still focusing on outcome of the investigation rather than the investigation itself. My understanding is that the Heat were not even made aware that an investigation happened. That's a problem.

You have to understand, this type of investigation could lead to others being involved. You do not want to broadcast that type of internal investigation. This is not like a harassment complaint or some other complaint that is likely an isolated incident. Remember, you had a head coach who was caught up in the FBI investigation of the same circle of mafia members that was related to the FBI's private investigation. There are tons of internal investigations all the time in every business, and 99.99999% of the time, you will never hear about them, even if you were an employee. The two times the NBA will publicly announce one are either when the investigation has concluded, and they are just working out the punishments, or when it becomes public outside of the NBA.

The NBA might compensate the Heat because the violation happened before Rozier was a Heat player. But unless it was known the complaint was true and the NBA did nothing about it, I do not see any legal stance the Heat may have. Or unless there is some written policy that the NBA or Hornets avoided or didn’t follow. But the Heat will have to PROVE that happened.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Id trade Herro and Bam and picks for Giannis

I’d assume he wouldn’t leave Milwaukee to come treadmill in Miami, you have to find a way to keep yalls favorite Edrice.

Naw, Mia would have enough ammo to go after another player though to pair with Giannis.

If you trade Herro bam and picks what ammo do you have and what level of player does it land you?

[Shewasfly]

No one "KNOWS" whether the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" of any illegal actions. You can’t just OFFICIALLY pass rumors or suspicions. There has to be a declaration before one officially acts. If the NBA or even the Hornets start spreading the word that Rozier is committing gambling fraud without a declaration or taking any action, they are putting themselves in a huge lawsuit. The biggest problem is the NBA has partnered with gambling, which puts EVERYONE in the industry in the room with criminals and scammers. Thus, the NBA can’t act because of association. If the Heat or the NBA finds out that the HORNETS knew he was committing illegal actions, then yeah, there is a case for the Heat. But the Heat has to find out that either the Hornets or the NBA "KNEW" Rozier was breaking the NBA laws and rules. There are always employees with rumors.

You are still focusing on outcome of the investigation rather than the investigation itself. My understanding is that the Heat were not even made aware that an investigation happened. That's a problem.

You have to understand, this type of investigation could lead to others being involved. You do not want to broadcast that type of internal investigation. This is not like a harassment complaint or some other complaint that is likely an isolated incident. Remember, you had a head coach who was caught up in the FBI investigation of the same circle of mafia members that was related to the FBI's private investigation. There are tons of internal investigations all the time in every business, and 99.99999% of the time, you will never hear about them, even if you were an employee. The two times the NBA will publicly announce one are either when the investigation has concluded, and they are just working out the punishments, or when it becomes public outside of the NBA.

The NBA might compensate the Heat because the violation happened before Rozier was a Heat player. But unless it was known the complaint was true and the NBA did nothing about it, I do not see any legal stance the Heat may have. Or unless there is some written policy that the NBA or Hornets avoided or didn’t follow.

None of it has to be public. There are plenty of things that are disclosed about players that never make the news for you and I to know, but that teams were made aware of. Especially on the trade market.

[twix2500]

You are still focusing on outcome of the investigation rather than the investigation itself. My understanding is that the Heat were not even made aware that an investigation happened. That's a problem.

You have to understand, this type of investigation could lead to others being involved. You do not want to broadcast that type of internal investigation. This is not like a harassment complaint or some other complaint that is likely an isolated incident. Remember, you had a head coach who was caught up in the FBI investigation of the same circle of mafia members that was related to the FBI's private investigation. There are tons of internal investigations all the time in every business, and 99.99999% of the time, you will never hear about them, even if you were an employee. The two times the NBA will publicly announce one are either when the investigation has concluded, and they are just working out the punishments, or when it becomes public outside of the NBA.

The NBA might compensate the Heat because the violation happened before Rozier was a Heat player. But unless it was known the complaint was true and the NBA did nothing about it, I do not see any legal stance the Heat may have. Or unless there is some written policy that the NBA or Hornets avoided or didn’t follow.

None of it has to be public. There are plenty of things that are disclosed about players that never make the news for you and I to know, but that teams were made aware of. Especially on the trade market.

Sure there incidents shared that not made open to the general public. Example Michael Beasley. Beasley had fines and punishments that was never public and teams knew about it. But there was an investigation already concluded and punishment had already been decided before. And there are UNOFFICIAL information shared as well that they will never admit to because it can cause a lawsuit. The point is during an investigation, things are usually and should have non-disclosure.

A lot information gets LEAKED even when it's against company policy because Humans are messy beings. I worked with someone that was notorious for gossip and leaked many of the investigations and was fired because of so.

Even in my field, I can be personally be sued if I shared to anyone outside the investigating body.

If you are talking about a lawsuit and compensation, you cant get compensation because some messy person wasn't LEAKING information to you.

[Daffy]

Trading Herro and Bam for Giannis is pointless. It's one or the other. After getting rid of both you have no assets for another game changer. What are we really doing here?

[Daffy]

Also for those who think Herro can't work in this offense or play off ball please go back and watch his college film or NBA film in years 1 and 2.

[shanedude]

I'm trading Bam 10/10 times for giannis before I trade Herro. Giannis plays the same position as bam and is better in every way. I'd rather have a Giannis/Ware front court any day. Besides, we'll need an elite backcourt to pair with Giannis.