PG: Defensive woes

PushDaRock · Post #21 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:53 am

dballislife wrote:man what cmb did tonight was so repeatable, he could be like this most nights, he was super consistent in college

lol expecting him to go 3-5 from three every night seems extremely optimistic

dballislife · Post #22 » by **dballislife** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:54 am

bape_lovers wrote:Huh why? How did you conclude RJ is the weakest link after this game

Walid wrote:Team is wasting its time with IQ and RJ.

rj been our best offensive player so far

Tacoma · Post #23 » by **Tacoma** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:54 am

Blazing_royale wrote:Our Franchise player Scottie 8 pts tonight is not acceptable.

I think the days of referring to Scottie as a franchise player is gone. He's not it.

Walid · Post #24 » by **Walid** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:54 am

bape_lovers wrote:Huh why? How did you conclude RJ is the weakest link after this game

Walid wrote:Team is wasting its time with IQ and RJ.

He is not a reliable offensive or defensive piece and takes up a decent chunk of possessions. Knicks had him on the market and he's been on the market since he's been with us... teams aren't biting because they don't find value in him.

dballislife · Post #25 » by **dballislife** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:55 am

PushDaRock wrote:
dballislife wrote:man what cmb did tonight was so repeatable, he could be like this most nights, he was super consistent in college

lol expecting him to go 3-5 from three every night seems extremely optimistic

obviously not the 3 pointer but everything else he does is totally repeatable

Basketball_Jones · Post #26 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:55 am

Geez Wemby handling in the open court around CMB one of the best at deflecting ball handlers is kind of crazy

bape_lovers · Post #27 » by **bape_lovers** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:55 am

Why not walk othani man

ciueli · Post #28 » by **ciueli** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:55 am

YoungG wrote:Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game tonight, but judging from the stat sheet, it seems that defense was the issue again. Looks like CMB gained some confidence in this game, whereas Scottie was non-existent. Is Jakob really ready to go? What happened to him tonight?

An understatement given that in 4 games the best they've done is hold the Hawks to 118 points. Bucks scored 122, Mavs 139, Spurs 121. Unless their offence is absolutely amazing they aren't going to win many games if they reliably give up 120+PPG every single time, and guess what, the offence isn't absolutely amazing.

ImaBeatDatAzz · Post #29 » by **ImaBeatDatAzz** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:57 am

Dude I wish we got Ohtani smh

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #30 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:59 am

dballislife wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
dballislife wrote:man what cmb did tonight was so repeatable, he could be like this most nights, he was super consistent in college

lol expecting him to go 3-5 from three every night seems extremely optimistic

obviously not the 3 pointer but everything else he does is totally repeatable

The defense is, that's for sure.

PushDaRock · Post #31 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:00 am

bape_lovers wrote:In what way, he is the most reliable mid range right now. This is 4 game with us, still building chemistry.

PushDaRock wrote:BI's offensive talent is undeniable but it's hard to say he's playing a winning brand of Basketball out there right now.

Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

bape_lovers · Post #32 » by **bape_lovers** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:01 am

Dawg, I rather have someone to make shots than Scottie. He ain’t giving in either end

PushDaRock wrote:
bape_lovers wrote:In what way, he is the most reliable mid range right now. This is 4 game with us, still building chemistry.

PushDaRock wrote:BI's offensive talent is undeniable but it's hard to say he's playing a winning brand of Basketball out there right now.

Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

YoungG · Post #33 » by **YoungG** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:03 am

ciueli wrote:
YoungG wrote:Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game tonight, but judging from the stat sheet, it seems that defense was the issue again. Looks like CMB gained some confidence in this game, whereas Scottie was non-existent. Is Jakob really ready to go? What happened to him tonight?

An understatement given that in 4 games the best they've done is hold the Hawks to 118 points. Bucks scored 122, Mavs 139, Spurs 121. Unless their offence is absolutely amazing they aren't going to win many games if they reliably give up 120+PPG every single time, and guess what, the offence isn't absolutely amazing.

For all the talk about how dialed in this team was defensively, they have proven the complete opposite. Bobby is most likely going to really give this team a shot, but I think he pulls the plug before Masai theoretically would. Team NEEDS proper defenders across all positions and roles.

PushDaRock · Post #34 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:03 am

bape_lovers wrote:Dawg, I rather have someone to make shots than Scottie. He ain’t giving in either end

PushDaRock wrote:
bape_lovers wrote:In what way, he is the most reliable mid range right now. This is 4 game with us, still building chemistry.

Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

lol of course, I want him taking shots too. It's more the shot quality, we aren't getting him easy looks and he's not getting to the line much either.

MoneyBall · Post #35 » by **MoneyBall** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:06 am

PushDaRock wrote:BI's offensive talent is undeniable but it's hard to say he's playing a winning brand of Basketball out there right now.

It was a big concern of mine when we got him. He's obviously very talented and has the best scoring arsenal on the team, but does he make winning plays outside of his scoring? His performances so far this season don't seem have made much of a difference.

ThatClockWork · Post #36 » by **ThatClockWork** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:09 am

ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:Poeltl was never 100% healthy. No way his play drops this bad for no reason. Back is no joke.

Let CMB run the 5 for a while. That should fix the defence!

100% agree - playing with an injured back is an easy way to make things worse and get targeted on defensive plays. We need a reliable 5 man who is athletic to play this style (and spell Jak so he can get some rest).

Losses are expected for now. Chemistry needs to build. No rushing it.

Also agree that we may as well let CMB get some run at the 5 spot.

ciueli · Post #37 » by **ciueli** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:09 am

bape_lovers wrote:Dawg, I rather have someone to make shots than Scottie. He ain’t giving in either end

PushDaRock wrote:
bape_lovers wrote:In what way, he is the most reliable mid range right now. This is 4 game with us, still building chemistry.

Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

I don't really blame Scottie for this one, Wembanyama is the type of player who just completely shuts down scoring around the basket, it basically neutralizes his whole offensive game.

This game was lost because the Spurs shot the lights out from three due to the terrible Raptors defence that gives up a ton of open corner threes.

PushDaRock · Post #38 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:10 am

MoneyBall wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:BI's offensive talent is undeniable but it's hard to say he's playing a winning brand of Basketball out there right now.

It was a big concern of mine when we got him. He's obviously very talented and has the best scoring arsenal on the team, but does he make winning plays outside of his scoring? His performances so far this season don't seem have made much of a difference.

Hopefully gets better with more reps, he hasn't played meaningful basketball in a long time.

PushDaRock · Post #39 » by **PushDaRock** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:13 am

ciueli wrote:
bape_lovers wrote:Dawg, I rather have someone to make shots than Scottie. He ain’t giving in either end

PushDaRock wrote:
Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

I don't really blame Scottie for this one, Wembanyama is the type of player who just completely shuts down scoring around the basket, it basically neutralizes his whole offensive game.

This game was lost because the Spurs shot the lights out from three due to the terrible Raptors defence that gives up a ton of open corner threes.

They made 13 threes, that's less than league average. I would say the fouling and rim protection was the much bigger issue.

Getting one offensive rebound the entire game was also ridiculous.

MoneyBall · Post #40 » by **MoneyBall** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:14 am

bape_lovers wrote:Why not walk othani man

It was a bad pitch.

I'm not a fan of deliberately putting the tying run on base with just one out. Maybe you can do that against other worse teams where there's a big talent drop off in batters, but this is the Dodgers. All it takes after the walk is one well placed single and Othani gets to third. Then all you need is a sac fly and poof, there goes the lead.