PG: Defensive woes

[Pointgod]

They should start CMB at C

i know people are excited about him but this is about to become that vision 6'9 nonsense again. You need a real center to win.

lol yeah unless we’re tanking it makes no sense starting a 6’7 rookie center. Just start Mamu with Mogbo and CMB sharing back up minutes

[Jadoogar]

Dude, Ingram is 28, there is no untapped potential, stop overrating our development staff. He's just a lousy uninspiring scorer who doesn't bring anything else to the table. And we payed a lot for it. We talking about a top 4 lottery pick.

lol top 4 lotto pick? yeah ok sure

Pacers Pick. They're currently 0-3. Yeah, this gonna be a top 4 pick, sure.

well the pick was top 4 protected so we wouldn't have gotten it if it was top 4
But i overall agree. Directionally, it was the wrong choice

[hyper316]

RJ shooting split

.613 FG
.353 3pt
.800 ft

[MEDIC]

Dude, Ingram is 28, there is no untapped potential, stop overrating our development staff. He's just a lousy uninspiring scorer who doesn't bring anything else to the table. And we payed a lot for it. We talking about a top 4 lottery pick.

lol top 4 lotto pick? yeah ok sure

Pacers Pick. They're currently 0-3. Yeah, this gonna be a top 4 pick, sure.

0-3 means they will have a bottom 4 record at the end of the season?

Pacers still have some horses & have no incentive to tank. At worst, I could see them have a similar season to the Raps last year.

[MEDIC]

I am hoping the coaching staff can figure this out. If not, the first thing that needs to happen is to end the Darko experiment & hire a proven coach. Then make moves with the new coaches imput to find guys that can do what he wants to do.

My biggest concern roster-wise is the quickley contract. We are probably stuck with it for a while. The staff need to help him find his shooting stroke again.

[PushDaRock]

Dude, Ingram is 28, there is no untapped potential, stop overrating our development staff. He's just a lousy uninspiring scorer who doesn't bring anything else to the table. And we payed a lot for it. We talking about a top 4 lottery pick.

lol top 4 lotto pick? yeah ok sure

Pacers Pick. They're currently 0-3. Yeah, this gonna be a top 4 pick, sure.

lol well first of all, it's top 4 protected so it can't be top 4 anyways.

Second, were we supposed to know the Pelicans were going to trade their pick back to them and then have Haliburton tear his achilles days later?

Third, it's still 3 games into the season and they have a bunch of guys injured. They have potentially some incentive to tank if things go south but they will also be better when they get guys back healthy.

[Troubadour]

Sengun is about to maul Poeltl on Wednesday. Amen Thompson might not even see IQ trying to defend him.

[Bankai]

Ill be honest. I havent watched much Raptors Basketball cause I dislike the Darko era, it reminds me of the Kevin O Neil era. Ugly Basketball.

[PushDaRock]

They should start CMB at C

i know people are excited about him but this is about to become that vision 6'9 nonsense again. You need a real center to win.

Agreed but current Yak is a negative player. Sit him out until he gets right.

Back spasms is no joke.

Yeah, we saw how long it bothered Olynyk from the preseason. He didn't get right until January.

[Jerry Lucas]

Game 4 Win Shares summary:

Yesterday the players combined for negative Win Shares (-0.1), and got a very deserved 3rd L of the season.

IQ: 0.2 WS
CMB: 0.1 WS

Shead: -0.1 WS
Scottie: -0.1 WS
Poeltl: -0.2 WS

Everyone else that played last night had between -0.04 to 0.04 Win Shares (either rounds up to 0 instead of down to -0.1, or rounds down to 0 instead of up to 0.1).

[Boselecta]

If we start the season 2–10, the Darko experiment needs to end right there. Bring in a proven coach and see if they can salvage it. This roster isn’t a development project anymore it’s a final build. The time to win is now, and if it doesn’t happen, it’s time to hit reset again.

[PushDaRock]

Well the D has been really bad, but he's also not creating much off his gravity. He's clearly talented as a shot maker but there's not much flow right now with how he's scoring. It's just off talent where we give it to him to make something happen.

This is sort of who Ingram has always been. No team led by him has ever gone anywhere. Scores on average efficiency. Average playmaker for his usage/role. Gets usage assists but you never feel like the offense is running all that well. Solid self-created (talent) shot making. He’s not a gravity guy. As far as #1 option on a playoff team goes he’s low on the list.

It’s early but I never believed in him as a guy who is going to carry this team to new heights. I’ve heard him categorized as a purgatory player: too good for you to really tank but not good enough to take you anywhere in the playoffs. I think people are going to see how his stats don’t translate all that much to winning.

100% on Ingram. This is why he’s better as a 2nd/3rd option. He doesn’t have the game to facilitate and generate points for his teammates at a high level. He’s a great shot maker, especially tough shot maker but there’s a reason the Pelicans never had a top 10 offence despite having a lot of offensive fire power.

We're not really using him as a true #1 option anyways where the entire offense runs though him. The offense is more egalitarian and finding whoever has it going. We have multiple guys that can give you 20 that night. He only becomes the #1 option when things get bogged down and end of game when things slow down and you need a half court bucket.

[ConSarnit]

i know people are excited about him but this is about to become that vision 6'9 nonsense again. You need a real center to win.

Agreed but current Yak is a negative player. Sit him out until he gets right.

Back spasms is no joke.

Yeah, we saw how long it bothered Olynyk from the preseason. He didn't get right until January.

Hopefully he heals faster then Olynyk. If Poeltl is compromised into 2026 this season is going to be a write off.

[TorontoBarneys]

If we start the season 2–10, the Darko experiment needs to end right there. Bring in a proven coach and see if they can salvage it. This roster isn’t a development project anymore it’s a final build. The time to win is now, and if it doesn’t happen, it’s time to hit reset again.

The vibes are just off. That thing he did in the locker room after their first win was just off-putting. I don't like him.

[Los_29]

This is sort of who Ingram has always been. No team led by him has ever gone anywhere. Scores on average efficiency. Average playmaker for his usage/role. Gets usage assists but you never feel like the offense is running all that well. Solid self-created (talent) shot making. He’s not a gravity guy. As far as #1 option on a playoff team goes he’s low on the list.

It’s early but I never believed in him as a guy who is going to carry this team to new heights. I’ve heard him categorized as a purgatory player: too good for you to really tank but not good enough to take you anywhere in the playoffs. I think people are going to see how his stats don’t translate all that much to winning.

We are hoping there is some untapped potential left there that we can help unlock. If he stays who he has been, it's not terrible given what we gave up still, but we are definitely hoping for more.

Dude, Ingram is 28, there is no untapped potential, stop overrating our development staff. He's just a lousy uninspiring scorer who doesn't bring anything else to the table. And we payed a lot for it. We talking about a top 4 lottery pick.

We didn’t give a lot. KO, Brown and a FRP owned by a team that went to the finals.

It’s top 4 protected, so that means we do not get a top 4 pick. Pacers will be a mediocre team this year. But that’s due to injuries that were completely out of our control. And we got an all-star caliber player in return.

[sbsat]

If we start the season 2–10, the Darko experiment needs to end right there. Bring in a proven coach and see if they can salvage it. This roster isn’t a development project anymore it’s a final build. The time to win is now, and if it doesn’t happen, it’s time to hit reset again.

The vibes are just off. That thing he did in the locker room after their first win was just off-putting. I don't like him.

he seems like a good dude honestly. But he is not an nba coach its pretty clear at this point

[causal_fan]

Agreed but current Yak is a negative player. Sit him out until he gets right.

Back spasms is no joke.

Yeah, we saw how long it bothered Olynyk from the preseason. He didn't get right until January.

Hopefully he heals faster then Olynyk. If Poeltl is compromised into 2026 this season is going to be a write off.

Chances are that by the time Poeltl is healthy, another member of the starting rotation will be injured - it's a never ending saga.

[Shakril]

Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game tonight, but judging from the stat sheet, it seems that defense was the issue again. Looks like CMB gained some confidence in this game, whereas Scottie was non-existent. Is Jakob really ready to go? What happened to him tonight?

This was his best game so far, and it was still atrocious. He definitly is not ready to play, but what do we know.

[NBA Sheady]

They should start CMB at C

You brought him in to be Draymond Green. Atleast run it and see how it goes. Have Scottie, CMB and Mogbo all mix it up.

They didn't have him practicing with the 5's in training camp. I don't think they intended to play him at the 5 as plan A.

[Jadoogar]

Agreed but current Yak is a negative player. Sit him out until he gets right.

Back spasms is no joke.

Yeah, we saw how long it bothered Olynyk from the preseason. He didn't get right until January.

Hopefully he heals faster then Olynyk. If Poeltl is compromised into 2026 this season is going to be a write off.

yup. Yak is the most irreplaceable player. We refused to get a suitable backup, either through draft or FA. Mamu is solid but he's a completely different type of player.

If he's hurt for a prolonged period, we need to shift to a tank immediately.