Game 4: Grizz @ Dubs, 2025-10-27, 7pm

[Ilovethebay]

Kuminga haters looking dumber every game.

so your posts.

[SpreeS]

Kuminga haters looking dumber every game.

These don’t get paid millions dollars to understand basketball like Kerr…

[multo]

If these youngins can just be consistent enough then Steph and Jimmy won't have to carry the load throughout the long season. Hopefully luck will be on our side regarding injuries. Gonna need it.

[Nvnervous45]

Whose our number 3?

[whatisacenter]

Whose our number 3?

Will Richard.

[whatisacenter]

Great team win! Young guys showing out!

JK is having a great start to the season!

Podz's best game offensively of the year.

QP's best game defensively of the year.

Moody's 3pt shot looks like money.

Will Richard looking like a solid rotation piece.

[Onus]

Watching this jk is so much more enjoyable. Something finally clicked for him. He’s finally doing all the things Kerr has been asking of him. Rebounding, passing the ball, and attacking the rim relentlessly.

Now if someone can just get him to learn to be in a defensive stance instead of standing and sliding.

[kuly1990]

Kuminga has had three great games, you can see that he is playing better, smarter, but he has to continue to play this way...
Critics for him were earned, he was awfull last year after coming back from injury, its not hating,its facts

[SpreeS]

Kuminga has had three great games, you can see that he is playing better, smarter, but he has to continue to play this way...
Critics for him were earned, he was awfull last year after coming back from injury, its not hating,its facts

It was pure hate all summer and it was Kerr job to find ways to incorporate Kuminga into new team after injury comeback.

[Onus]

Kuminga has had three great games, you can see that he is playing better, smarter, but he has to continue to play this way...
Critics for him were earned, he was awfull last year after coming back from injury, its not hating,its facts

It was pure hate all summer and it was Kerr job to find ways to incorporate Kuminga into new team after injury comeback.

So are you praising Kerr for JK being incorporated now?

[AirP.]

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[whatisacenter]

Kuminga has had three great games, you can see that he is playing better, smarter, but he has to continue to play this way...
Critics for him were earned, he was awfull last year after coming back from injury, its not hating,its facts

It was pure hate all summer and it was Kerr job to find ways to incorporate Kuminga into new team after injury comeback.

So are you praising Kerr for JK being incorporated now?

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

[vvoland]

It was pure hate all summer and it was Kerr job to find ways to incorporate Kuminga into new team after injury comeback.

So are you praising Kerr for JK being incorporated now?

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

Same here. I was one of the few that defended kerr throughout most of the last two years as people wanted him fired almost as soon as we won in '21-22.

That said, he certainly has had a blind spot to JK and MM. Not saying those two haven't improved. They have certainly changed their approach, game, attitude, etc. STILL. This JK and MM would have likely gotten here much, MUCH sooner had they not seen their minutes/reps/confidence eroded in favor of muppets like lamb, jerome, gui santos, and even pat spencer.

Maybe JK really did deserve all the DNP-CDs late last season and in the playoffs. Made Lamb really did deserve to play over JK. Perhaps Jerome did get us a few wins that MM would not have. I can concede those points. I also don't think any of that mattered, not the wins, not the improvements for Lamb/Jerome/Gui, none of it. In the grand scheme of this team, it was the growth of JK, MM, and Podz that would have moved the needle. I'm glad we're starting to see the first two names on that list get more rope now.

JK had 2 terrible TOs, in back to back possessions in the 1st quarter. Sure, he was rebounding well and moving the ball. The fact that Kerr didn't take away his 2nd half minutes because of those TOs is a sign of growth. In year 2, JK wouldn't have seen the court for 2 weeks (unless wigs was hurt) after those TOs. Same for MM.

I wonder how much of what JK is doing now is ALSO a function of him knowing his has a good shot at 30+ minutes, even if he does F up a few times. seeing his teammates look for him, the coach draw up plays were he's clearly designed to get the ball and finish (like on the JK/Steph PnR where he's in the dray-short-roll spot) has to do wonders for your confidence. That confidence helps to rebound, be a more willing passer, be more patient in the offense, etc.

We see the same thing w/ podz. he knows he's locked in for heavy minutes and when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get benched and is allowed to learn/work through them. When he does struggle enough where his minutes are at risk, we can all see him starting to press, do too much, etc.

[whatisacenter]

So are you praising Kerr for JK being incorporated now?

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

Same here. I was one of the few that defended kerr throughout most of the last two years as people wanted him fired almost as soon as we won in '21-22.

That said, he certainly has had a blind spot to JK and MM. Not saying those two haven't improved. They have certainly changed their approach, game, attitude, etc. STILL. This JK and MM would have likely gotten here much, MUCH sooner had they not seen their minutes/reps/confidence eroded in favor of muppets like lamb, jerome, gui santos, and even pat spencer.

Maybe JK really did deserve all the DNP-CDs late last season and in the playoffs. Made Lamb really did deserve to play over JK. Perhaps Jerome did get us a few wins that MM would not have. I can concede those points. I also don't think any of that mattered, not the wins, not the improvements for Lamb/Jerome/Gui, none of it. In the grand scheme of this team, it was the growth of JK, MM, and Podz that would have moved the needle. I'm glad we're starting to see the first two names on that list get more rope now.

JK had 2 terrible TOs, in back to back possessions in the 1st quarter. Sure, he was rebounding well and moving the ball. The fact that Kerr didn't take away his 2nd half minutes because of those TOs is a sign of growth. In year 2, JK wouldn't have seen the court for 2 weeks (unless wigs was hurt) after those TOs. Same for MM.

I wonder how much of what JK is doing now is ALSO a function of him knowing his has a good shot at 30+ minutes, even if he does F up a few times. seeing his teammates look for him, the coach draw up plays were he's clearly designed to get the ball and finish (like on the JK/Steph PnR where he's in the dray-short-roll spot) has to do wonders for your confidence. That confidence helps to rebound, be a more willing passer, be more patient in the offense, etc.

We see the same thing w/ podz. he knows he's locked in for heavy minutes and when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get benched and is allowed to learn/work through them. When he does struggle enough where his minutes are at risk, we can all see him starting to press, do too much, etc.

Agree with everything but especially the bolded part.

JK has made early errors in all of the games so far this season but has been given the opportunity to play through them. He has finished every game strong and cut out the errors as the game went on.

[vvoland]

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

Same here. I was one of the few that defended kerr throughout most of the last two years as people wanted him fired almost as soon as we won in '21-22.

That said, he certainly has had a blind spot to JK and MM. Not saying those two haven't improved. They have certainly changed their approach, game, attitude, etc. STILL. This JK and MM would have likely gotten here much, MUCH sooner had they not seen their minutes/reps/confidence eroded in favor of muppets like lamb, jerome, gui santos, and even pat spencer.

Maybe JK really did deserve all the DNP-CDs late last season and in the playoffs. Made Lamb really did deserve to play over JK. Perhaps Jerome did get us a few wins that MM would not have. I can concede those points. I also don't think any of that mattered, not the wins, not the improvements for Lamb/Jerome/Gui, none of it. In the grand scheme of this team, it was the growth of JK, MM, and Podz that would have moved the needle. I'm glad we're starting to see the first two names on that list get more rope now.

JK had 2 terrible TOs, in back to back possessions in the 1st quarter. Sure, he was rebounding well and moving the ball. The fact that Kerr didn't take away his 2nd half minutes because of those TOs is a sign of growth. In year 2, JK wouldn't have seen the court for 2 weeks (unless wigs was hurt) after those TOs. Same for MM.

I wonder how much of what JK is doing now is ALSO a function of him knowing his has a good shot at 30+ minutes, even if he does F up a few times. seeing his teammates look for him, the coach draw up plays were he's clearly designed to get the ball and finish (like on the JK/Steph PnR where he's in the dray-short-roll spot) has to do wonders for your confidence. That confidence helps to rebound, be a more willing passer, be more patient in the offense, etc.

We see the same thing w/ podz. he knows he's locked in for heavy minutes and when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get benched and is allowed to learn/work through them. When he does struggle enough where his minutes are at risk, we can all see him starting to press, do too much, etc.

Agree with everything but especially the bolded part.

JK has made early errors in all of the games so far this season but has been given the opportunity to play through them. He has finished every game strong and cut out the errors as the game went on.

IF i'm being super generous to Kerr, the type of mistakes he's making are better. Less mid-range shots and turnovers driving to the rim looking to score and more TOs trying to pass to teammates.

That said, he's still doing the things Kerr has publicly stated he hates : late closeouts on shooters, not sprinting in transition, mid-range jumpers, early clock shots, etc.

I believe he went under 2 screens that gave monk an semi-contested 3 in that 1st round series in game 1, a few years back. Immediate timeout, he's pulled for Lamb (i think) and he does not see the floor again against the Kings or Lakers other than garbage time. He was late closing out on gordon multiple times, same with conchar last night. But Kerr did not bench him, kept the faith, and JK rewarded him, big time. Let's hope that continues as the games get more important and, especially, if we are in a position to really chase wins.

[wco81]

So who's going to play tonight?

[tal57]

The only thing that concerns me a bit is the dubs D which had been somewhat of the sporadic negative theme in the first 4 games. There are going to be nights when offense is not going to function impeccably or by multiple sources like last night, or they'll face much tougher opponent and will have to rely heavily on D to win the game.

[Onus]

So are you praising Kerr for JK being incorporated now?

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

Same here. I was one of the few that defended kerr throughout most of the last two years as people wanted him fired almost as soon as we won in '21-22.

That said, he certainly has had a blind spot to JK and MM. Not saying those two haven't improved. They have certainly changed their approach, game, attitude, etc. STILL. This JK and MM would have likely gotten here much, MUCH sooner had they not seen their minutes/reps/confidence eroded in favor of muppets like lamb, jerome, gui santos, and even pat spencer.

Maybe JK really did deserve all the DNP-CDs late last season and in the playoffs. Made Lamb really did deserve to play over JK. Perhaps Jerome did get us a few wins that MM would not have. I can concede those points. I also don't think any of that mattered, not the wins, not the improvements for Lamb/Jerome/Gui, none of it. In the grand scheme of this team, it was the growth of JK, MM, and Podz that would have moved the needle. I'm glad we're starting to see the first two names on that list get more rope now.

JK had 2 terrible TOs, in back to back possessions in the 1st quarter. Sure, he was rebounding well and moving the ball. The fact that Kerr didn't take away his 2nd half minutes because of those TOs is a sign of growth. In year 2, JK wouldn't have seen the court for 2 weeks (unless wigs was hurt) after those TOs. Same for MM.

I wonder how much of what JK is doing now is ALSO a function of him knowing his has a good shot at 30+ minutes, even if he does F up a few times. seeing his teammates look for him, the coach draw up plays were he's clearly designed to get the ball and finish (like on the JK/Steph PnR where he's in the dray-short-roll spot) has to do wonders for your confidence. That confidence helps to rebound, be a more willing passer, be more patient in the offense, etc.

We see the same thing w/ podz. he knows he's locked in for heavy minutes and when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get benched and is allowed to learn/work through them. When he does struggle enough where his minutes are at risk, we can all see him starting to press, do too much, etc.

Yall really watching year 5 and not noticing a huge difference in JK's game from year 5 and all the other years? JK's defense is still not great but the offense isn't stalling with him anymore and the ball is moving instead of sticking. Then you add in the rebounding, which just has never materialized outside of a few games, JK so far has been a completely different player.

You can live with mistakes, but if you're stalling the offense and cratering everything around you, you can only play that player so long before you're just tanking the team. This JK can play through mistakes because it's just that a mistake, it's not stopping the flow of the offense. It's not jarring to watch, where everything comes to a screeching halt so JK can iso into pull up middie or a turnover in traffic early in the shot clock.

I want to give JK all the credit in the world for changing his game and mentality. Something connected the dots for him, but whatever it was he's much better for it. I still wish he was a better defender but his contract will not be an albatross. This is why I still think the 1+1 offer was a dumb contract to offer, JK playing like this will probably be here for the foreseeable future.

[floppymoose]

Would have been an easier night if Post and Hield wasn't ice cold. At least Post did something on the defensive end.

Heild played fine outside of having no jumper

[vvoland]

Better late than never

I am a fan of Kerr and appreciate all that he has done here but I will never fully understand the inconsistent roll and short end of the stick JK and Moody have received.

But let's not pretend that this board is full of JK haters and that there aren't jackals laying in the weeds still hoping he falters.

Same here. I was one of the few that defended kerr throughout most of the last two years as people wanted him fired almost as soon as we won in '21-22.

That said, he certainly has had a blind spot to JK and MM. Not saying those two haven't improved. They have certainly changed their approach, game, attitude, etc. STILL. This JK and MM would have likely gotten here much, MUCH sooner had they not seen their minutes/reps/confidence eroded in favor of muppets like lamb, jerome, gui santos, and even pat spencer.

Maybe JK really did deserve all the DNP-CDs late last season and in the playoffs. Made Lamb really did deserve to play over JK. Perhaps Jerome did get us a few wins that MM would not have. I can concede those points. I also don't think any of that mattered, not the wins, not the improvements for Lamb/Jerome/Gui, none of it. In the grand scheme of this team, it was the growth of JK, MM, and Podz that would have moved the needle. I'm glad we're starting to see the first two names on that list get more rope now.

JK had 2 terrible TOs, in back to back possessions in the 1st quarter. Sure, he was rebounding well and moving the ball. The fact that Kerr didn't take away his 2nd half minutes because of those TOs is a sign of growth. In year 2, JK wouldn't have seen the court for 2 weeks (unless wigs was hurt) after those TOs. Same for MM.

I wonder how much of what JK is doing now is ALSO a function of him knowing his has a good shot at 30+ minutes, even if he does F up a few times. seeing his teammates look for him, the coach draw up plays were he's clearly designed to get the ball and finish (like on the JK/Steph PnR where he's in the dray-short-roll spot) has to do wonders for your confidence. That confidence helps to rebound, be a more willing passer, be more patient in the offense, etc.

We see the same thing w/ podz. he knows he's locked in for heavy minutes and when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get benched and is allowed to learn/work through them. When he does struggle enough where his minutes are at risk, we can all see him starting to press, do too much, etc.

Yall really watching year 5 and not noticing a huge difference in JK's game from year 5 and all the other years? JK's defense is still not great but the offense isn't stalling with him anymore and the ball is moving instead of sticking. Then you add in the rebounding, which just has never materialized outside of a few games, JK so far has been a completely different player.

You can live with mistakes, but if you're stalling the offense and cratering everything around you, you can only play that player so long before you're just tanking the team. This JK can play through mistakes because it's just that a mistake, it's not stopping the flow of the offense. It's not jarring to watch, where everything comes to a screeching halt so JK can iso into pull up middie or a turnover in traffic early in the shot clock.

I want to give JK all the credit in the world for changing his game and mentality. Something connected the dots for him, but whatever it was he's much better for it. I still wish he was a better defender but his contract will not be an albatross. This is why I still think the 1+1 offer was a dumb contract to offer, JK playing like this will probably be here for the foreseeable future.

Of course, we're all seeing JK rebound better, pass more, take better shots, and be more focused on defense. The main point I'm making is that both JK and MM would have gotten to this point earlier if they didn't lose crucial minutes/reps to people like Lamb and Gui. If they were out there Jordan Pooling it up (another player that did not lose minutes despite openly sabotaging our title defense season), I could understand pulling the plug on them. It was clear they both WANTED to contribute, win, fit in, etc. It was also clear, neither had a good idea about HOW to do so.

Moody has really gotten better at being more aggressive, especially looking for his shot in the halfcourt and avoiding fouls on defense. The changes JK made have been discussed, in the very same thread. Do you really think they would have taken 4+ years to get here if they were allowed to play through fouls, bad passes, unaware rotations, and terrible shot selection? I do not.

I think it's reps and confidence that is the main ingredient for why MM is now eager to shoot and JK is eager to pass and rebound. Its not a just a switch that flipped or someone told them to shoot/rebound and they 'finally' listened. The things we're asking of these kids is hard enough - contribute to a team looking to win a 5th title. Asking them to do that while yo-yoing their minutes makes it significantly harder.

Not saying i have an easy answer like playing JK/MM 35+ minutes without any repercussions. That's how kids never develop beyond their bad habits. But i do not think anyone will say that Kerr struck the right balance with MM and JK in their first 4 years like he did w/ Podz.