Hansen Yang

[Wizenheimer]

Second, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe teams get to keep all of their individual streaming package revenue. Since the Blazers will have a lot of games over the next several years that are not covered in national games, this presents a pretty amazing opportunity to go sell streaming services (the Jazz do this with Jazz+) to the Chinese market directly. .

I'm pretty sure, streaming revenue is pooled into league-wide BRI.

"No, individual NBA teams do not keep all streaming revenue; a large portion of it is pooled and shared across the league, with a significant portion of "basketball-related income" (BRI) going to players, while owners' revenue is determined by a revenue-sharing system and collective bargaining agreements. While local streaming and broadcasting deals can be a major source of revenue for individual teams, league-wide deals are shared, and a portion of all team-generated revenue is redistributed to ensure competitive balance among all 30 teams. "

selling streaming services to another country would be licensed by the NBA, not the Blazers. What teams keep individually is local broadcast and streaming revenue

[mojomarc]

Second, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe teams get to keep all of their individual streaming package revenue. Since the Blazers will have a lot of games over the next several years that are not covered in national games, this presents a pretty amazing opportunity to go sell streaming services (the Jazz do this with Jazz+) to the Chinese market directly. .

I'm pretty sure, streaming revenue is pooled into league-wide BRI.

"No, individual NBA teams do not keep all streaming revenue; a large portion of it is pooled and shared across the league, with a significant portion of "basketball-related income" (BRI) going to players, while owners' revenue is determined by a revenue-sharing system and collective bargaining agreements. While local streaming and broadcasting deals can be a major source of revenue for individual teams, league-wide deals are shared, and a portion of all team-generated revenue is redistributed to ensure competitive balance among all 30 teams. "

selling streaming services to another country would be licensed by the NBA, not the Blazers. What teams keep individually is local broadcast and streaming revenue

So the revenue, minus standard costs, is included in the BRI for cap calculations. But from what I can tell pure streaming (as opposed to local broadcast rights or regional sports networks) are not directly pooled for revenue sharing. But the income would be calculated to determine if you were on the giving or receiving end of revenue sharing.

And the NBA league-wide deals definitely are shared equally for national broadcasts. Couldn't find anything definitive but it sells logical the Tencent deal would follow the same pattern. But if course that wouldn't have 82 Blazers games (or, at least, my understanding is the Tencent deal is similar to TNT in that you get a handful of games per week). So that gets us back to Chinese who want to watch games would probably set up a VPN presence on Portland for the games, sign up as local, and that money would basically go to the Blazers. This is my understanding of how Jazz+ is accounted for.

But man, it is hard to find anything really definitive except for BRI calculation.

[oldfishermen]

I would bet everyone posting in this forum are better at the X&Os of BB than I am. But I'll try.

The range of opinions for Hansens potential are extreme. From bust to all-star. My views fall in the middle.

I believe there is a path for Hansen to become a productive rotation player. He has the BBIQ and unique skills to make it happen. But.....

To make it happen would require a game plan and plays that feature his skills. The Blazers have two problems to overcome to make this work.

1) Does his style of play fit with the game plan and plays now in place? I do not believe they do.

2) Is creating a game plan and plays to make Hansen productive a high priority? For this season, I think not.

This season probably will be a limited chemistry experiment on Hansen. I do not expect much progress in his development.

Next off-season will be a complete team reset on so many levels. Starting with new ownership. Desicions on if and how to use Hansen will become serious then.

I.hope Hansen can weather a season of rudderless direction of his limited game minutes. And uses this season to adjust to the NBA, and, improve his individual skills.

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

Second, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe teams get to keep all of their individual streaming package revenue. Since the Blazers will have a lot of games over the next several years that are not covered in national games, this presents a pretty amazing opportunity to go sell streaming services (the Jazz do this with Jazz+) to the Chinese market directly. .

I'm pretty sure, streaming revenue is pooled into league-wide BRI.

"No, individual NBA teams do not keep all streaming revenue; a large portion of it is pooled and shared across the league, with a significant portion of "basketball-related income" (BRI) going to players, while owners' revenue is determined by a revenue-sharing system and collective bargaining agreements. While local streaming and broadcasting deals can be a major source of revenue for individual teams, league-wide deals are shared, and a portion of all team-generated revenue is redistributed to ensure competitive balance among all 30 teams. "

selling streaming services to another country would be licensed by the NBA, not the Blazers. What teams keep individually is local broadcast and streaming revenue

So the revenue, minus standard costs, is included in the BRI for cap calculations. But from what I can tell pure streaming (as opposed to local broadcast rights or regional sports networks) are not directly pooled for revenue sharing. But the income would be calculated to determine if you were on the giving or receiving end of revenue sharing.

And the NBA league-wide deals definitely are shared equally for national broadcasts. Couldn't find anything definitive but it sells logical the Tencent deal would follow the same pattern. But if course that wouldn't have 82 Blazers games (or, at least, my understanding is the Tencent deal is similar to TNT in that you get a handful of games per week). So that gets us back to Chinese who want to watch games would probably set up a VPN presence on Portland for the games, sign up as local, and that money would basically go to the Blazers. This is my understanding of how Jazz+ is accounted for.

But man, it is hard to find anything really definitive except for BRI calculation.

from what I read after the Blazers drafted Yang and Blazer fans had dreams of massive money flowing from China to Blazer HQ, any streaming and broadcast revenue from China for any licensed NBA game that initially went into Blazer accounts would be raked by the league and distributed to all 30 teams....after the league took their cut. That the NBA probably wasn't going to allow Portland some 'local' loophole label. I think the format is that the league owns 100% of any broadcast/streaming revenue form a foreign country

I don't believe that Dallas got any broadcast/streaming Germany bonus for Dirk or Slovenia bonus from Doncic; Milwaukee isn't getting a Greek bonus from Giannis; Denver isn't getting a Serbia bonus from Jokic

now, while the broadcast/streaming revenue may all go to the league, the Blazers CAN profit from partnerships with Chinese companies. That revenue would not be part of BRI. IIRC, the Rockets, after adding Yao Ming, generated several partnerships with Chinese companies that substantially increased their revenue which in turn accelerated the increase in their franchise value. Of course, Yao was a phenomenon in China before he came to the NBA. Yang, not so much

to be clear, there very well could be other forms of broadcast/streaming revenue Portland could get a bigger share of, but I don't know what they could be

[mojomarc]

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure, streaming revenue is pooled into league-wide BRI.

"No, individual NBA teams do not keep all streaming revenue; a large portion of it is pooled and shared across the league, with a significant portion of "basketball-related income" (BRI) going to players, while owners' revenue is determined by a revenue-sharing system and collective bargaining agreements. While local streaming and broadcasting deals can be a major source of revenue for individual teams, league-wide deals are shared, and a portion of all team-generated revenue is redistributed to ensure competitive balance among all 30 teams. "

selling streaming services to another country would be licensed by the NBA, not the Blazers. What teams keep individually is local broadcast and streaming revenue

So the revenue, minus standard costs, is included in the BRI for cap calculations. But from what I can tell pure streaming (as opposed to local broadcast rights or regional sports networks) are not directly pooled for revenue sharing. But the income would be calculated to determine if you were on the giving or receiving end of revenue sharing.

And the NBA league-wide deals definitely are shared equally for national broadcasts. Couldn't find anything definitive but it sells logical the Tencent deal would follow the same pattern. But if course that wouldn't have 82 Blazers games (or, at least, my understanding is the Tencent deal is similar to TNT in that you get a handful of games per week). So that gets us back to Chinese who want to watch games would probably set up a VPN presence on Portland for the games, sign up as local, and that money would basically go to the Blazers. This is my understanding of how Jazz+ is accounted for.

But man, it is hard to find anything really definitive except for BRI calculation.

from what I read after the Blazers drafted Yang and Blazer fans had dreams of massive money flowing from China to Blazer HQ, any streaming and broadcast revenue from China for any licensed NBA game that initially went into Blazer accounts would be raked by the league and distributed to all 30 teams....after the league took their cut. That the NBA probably wasn't going to allow Portland some 'local' loophole label. I think the format is that the league owns 100% of any broadcast/streaming revenue form a foreign country

I don't believe that Dallas got any broadcast/streaming Germany bonus for Dirk or Slovenia bonus from Doncic; Milwaukee isn't getting a Greek bonus from Giannis; Denver isn't getting a Serbia bonus from Jokic

now, while the broadcast/streaming revenue may all go to the league, the Blazers CAN profit from partnerships with Chinese companies. That revenue would not be part of BRI. IIRC, the Rockets, after adding Yao Ming, generated several partnerships with Chinese companies that substantially increased their revenue which in turn accelerated the increase in their franchise value. Of course, Yao was a phenomenon in China before he came to the NBA. Yang, not so much

to be clear, there very well could be other forms of broadcast/streaming revenue Portland could get a bigger share of, but I don't know what they could be

Do we really need to examine the comparison between Greece and China? I mean after all, the average national game (not local) last season was about 1.6m viewers. TenCent was seeing 3.4m viewers per Blazers game for Summer League. That's as if one out of every man, woman and child in Greece were wartching the Bucks and yet it is about 2.5% of the average daily Tencent users.

I lived in China for a year and did business there for a few years after college, and the scale of anything in China is just unimaginably huge compared to anything else you can imagine.

And like I said earlier--the fact the Blazers don't have many national games means doing the standard Chinese vpn tricks may be the only way to view games. And it takes only a tiny fraction of Chinese doing this to make a massive difference. I windbreaker be shocked if pre-Yang three subscriber base for Blazers streaming was about the same as the Jazz with subscribers in the 20-30k range.

[Sinobas]

Yang doesn't look ready for minutes. Reath should be the backup and Yang should go to the developmental league.

[Wizenheimer]

Do we really need to examine the comparison between Greece and China? I mean after all, the average national game (not local) last season was about 1.6m viewers. TenCent was seeing 3.4m viewers per Blazers game for Summer League. That's as if one out of every man, woman and child in Greece were wartching the Bucks and yet it is about 2.5% of the average daily Tencent users.

I lived in China for a year and did business there for a few years after college, and the scale of anything in China is just unimaginably huge compared to anything else you can imagine.

And like I said earlier--the fact the Blazers don't have many national games means doing the standard Chinese vpn tricks may be the only way to view games. And it takes only a tiny fraction of Chinese doing this to make a massive difference. I windbreaker be shocked if pre-Yang three subscriber base for Blazers streaming was about the same as the Jazz with subscribers in the 20-30k range.

I wasn't comparing. I was pointing out that NBA players from other nations haven't generated broadcast revenue from those nations for their teams

I could be wrong, obviously, but from what I've read is the revenue/income statements from teams are examined by the league office. And the broadcast revenue generated by sources outside the local area is part of BRI. I'm not sure if VPN revenue is considered local

[dckingsfan]

Yang doesn't look ready for minutes. Reath should be the backup and Yang should go to the developmental league.

I think D-League games start on November 7th? So, I am guessing he will be with the team at least until then.

[Case2012]

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Yang isnt ready for minutes, we drafted a center with the 7th pick the year before and Coward looks like he's going to to be a star. Sharpe got his deal and looks like trash, scoot is probably a bust, at least Clingan looks good, and i like Yang but passing on Coward was stupid. I cant wait for this whole front office to be gone. Schmitz has had 4 lottery picks and look at the names of the guys picked after?

[dckingsfan]

Yang isnt ready for minutes, we drafted a center with the 7th pick the year before and Coward looks like he's going to to be a star. Sharpe got his deal and looks like trash, scoot is probably a bust, at least Clingan looks good, and i like Yang but passing on Coward was stupid. I cant wait for this whole front office to be gone. Schmitz has had 4 lottery picks and look at the names of the guys picked after?

Not defending this FO and their draft picks and their lack of creativity. I would much rather have traded for NO's unprotected 1st.

I also liked Coward - a lot! He would have been my pick as well. And he really fits this team with his defense. Would I rather have had those SF minutes go to someone like Coward vs. Murray - hell yes.

Having said that - Coward is almost 2 years older than Yang. We are going to need to wait a bit to see what Yang will actually be...

[Wizenheimer]

Yang isnt ready for minutes, we drafted a center with the 7th pick the year before and Coward looks like he's going to to be a star. Sharpe got his deal and looks like trash, scoot is probably a bust, at least Clingan looks good, and i like Yang but passing on Coward was stupid. I cant wait for this whole front office to be gone. Schmitz has had 4 lottery picks and look at the names of the guys picked after?

Not defending this FO and their draft picks and their lack of creativity. I would much rather have traded for NO's unprotected 1st.

I also liked Coward - a lot! He would have been my pick as well. And he really fits this team with his defense. Would I rather have had those SF minutes go to someone like Coward vs. Murray - hell yes.

Having said that - Coward is almost 2 years older than Yang. We are going to need to wait a bit to see what Yang will actually be...

yeah, the 2017-18 team had a strong defensive starting front court. What that team also had was the backup tag-team of Ed Davis and Zach Collins, That was a really good defensive pairing, and with Evan Turner and Napier off the bench the Blazer defense was pretty strong for 48 minutes

[Walton1one]

I'll start off by saying I was not all in on Coward, I preferred other players, so clearly I am no Nostradamus however (no surprise), I agree with Case, Schmitz's draft record is really poor. Especially if you factor WHERE POR was picking. Three Top 10 picks and only (1) looks like a definitive starter (Clingan). You just cannot have that many MULTIPLE misses inside the Top 10 (Top 7 to be exact) AND to make it worse they have completely whiffed outside of the lotttery, so no surprise finds like MANY other GM's have to their resume.

Yang is like the icing on the cake, he may be the pick that cost them their jobs...

Not saying he can't have a multi year career in the NBA bouncing from team to team for a bit, but trying to project a HUGE amount of growth to justify that pick seems like a reach to me. It was a bad pick when they made it and I haven't seen anything to change my mind from that, nor do I see a scenario (outside of injury\trade ) that he would EVER start over DC. Just a dumb pick by a front office too busy sniffing their own farts.

...and trying to tie in the ORL 1st to make it seem reasonable is incredibly short-sighted, they could have gotten that pick and got a BETTER player than Yang to boot. I think time will prove that out...

[mojomarc]

Do we really need to examine the comparison between Greece and China? I mean after all, the average national game (not local) last season was about 1.6m viewers. TenCent was seeing 3.4m viewers per Blazers game for Summer League. That's as if one out of every man, woman and child in Greece were wartching the Bucks and yet it is about 2.5% of the average daily Tencent users.

I lived in China for a year and did business there for a few years after college, and the scale of anything in China is just unimaginably huge compared to anything else you can imagine.

And like I said earlier--the fact the Blazers don't have many national games means doing the standard Chinese vpn tricks may be the only way to view games. And it takes only a tiny fraction of Chinese doing this to make a massive difference. I windbreaker be shocked if pre-Yang three subscriber base for Blazers streaming was about the same as the Jazz with subscribers in the 20-30k range.

I wasn't comparing. I was pointing out that NBA players from other nations haven't generated broadcast revenue from those nations for their teams

I could be wrong, obviously, but from what I've read is the revenue/income statements from teams are examined by the league office. And the broadcast revenue generated by sources outside the local area is part of BRI. I'm not sure if VPN revenue is considered local

VPN revenue would be using the local streaming service, so it should fall under local.

Of course, the main thing that happens then (and why the league examines the local revenue) is because of the amount that is transferred from the big market teams to the small market teams. If Portland were to make a massive surge in local revenue from Blazervision, that could put them into the neutral or even "big market" side of that equation. My understanding is that small market is defined as 30% or more below the league average revenue, while large market is 30% above, with the latter providing funds through revenue sharing for the former.

[Norm2953]

I'll start off by saying I was not all in on Coward, I preferred other players, so clearly I am no Nostradamus however (no surprise), I agree with Case, Schmitz's draft record is really poor. Especially if you factor WHERE POR was picking. Three Top 10 picks and only (1) looks like a definitive starter (Clingan). You just cannot have that many MULTIPLE misses inside the Top 10 (Top 7 to be exact) AND to make it worse they have completely whiffed outside of the lotttery, so no surprise finds like MANY other GM's have to their resume.

Yang is like the icing on the cake, he may be the pick that cost them their jobs...

Not saying he can't have a multi year career in the NBA bouncing from team to team for a bit, but trying to project a HUGE amount of growth to justify that pick seems like a reach to me. It was a bad pick when they made it and I haven't seen anything to change my mind from that, nor do I see a scenario (outside of injury\trade ) that he would EVER start over DC. Just a dumb pick by a front office too busy sniffing their own farts.

...and trying to tie in the ORL 1st to make it seem reasonable is incredibly short-sighted, they could have gotten that pick and got a BETTER player than Yang to boot. I think time will prove that out...

None of us know if Yang will develop into an NBA level player but its a bit much to get hot and bothered about this player who is
adjusting to a new country and a level of competition after four games of a new season.

[BlazersBroncos]

I have a hard time dinging Schmitz for Scoot. He was the consensus pick to a degree rarely seen outside the #1 slot. Sharpe, ya, he has been pretty meh. Again though, I dont see him over Jalen Williams as a miss as basically no one had Jalen going lotto, much less being this type of player. Dyson would be the guy to compare Sharpe against IMO - as both were reasonably mocked in that #7 slot. At this point Dyson is clearly the better player since he excels on one side of the floor.

Coward would be huge right now with our bench being so lacking in any type of scoring outside Grant. Early returns show passing on him could be a huge mistake.

That being said - DC at 7 is looking like a really big hit. Probably already a top-5 rebounder and top-5 rim protector in the league. If that 3PT shot can level up in volume he could end up being a jumbo Myles Turner type. Credit where due when talking about the track record.

[mojomarc]

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Yang isnt ready for minutes, we drafted a center with the 7th pick the year before and Coward looks like he's going to to be a star. Sharpe got his deal and looks like trash, scoot is probably a bust, at least Clingan looks good, and i like Yang but passing on Coward was stupid. I cant wait for this whole front office to be gone. Schmitz has had 4 lottery picks and look at the names of the guys picked after?

I've said it before and said it again: the timespan of this season so far is shorter than the time between poops for some of the more egregious TikTok health influencers. Some rookies have great games and we never hear from them again the rest of the next few seasons. Some continue to shine and get better and better. We don't know if Coward will be in either of these camps, but at some point most decent rookies get figured out by opposing coaches and teams and they regress to a mean.

Meanwhile, we all know centers take a ton of time to adjust to the pace and fitness required, even Clingan (who we would all agree went from "wow--there are flashes but the dude is only good for 15 minutes a game and then is completely lost" last year). Yang clearly looks lost, and like he is thinking way, way too much out there. But a four game sample is nowhere close to enough to understand what he will bring when it was clear he was a long term project gamble. Yang is no Jokic, but it is clear why the comparisons are made, and by comparison Jokic wasn't a triple double machine when he came into the league a year older and after playing at a higher level in Euro basketball than Yang. For comparison, this is how Jokic started (I'm excluding his first game because he only played three minutes:

5/8 shooting, 9 rebounds, 1 assist in 18 minutes
4/9 shooting with 4 rebounds and 0 assists in 24 minutes
1/4 shooting, with 3 rebounds in 17 minutes
2/4 shooting with 4 rebounds and 1 assist in 17 minutes

If we had 2015 Jokic on the team, and were comparing him to 2025 Jokic, we'd think that 2015 Jokic was a bust, too.

In other words, it is not time to crack open each other's skulls and feast on the goo inside. If he is still playing this way next year, I'll start worrying.

As far as center rotation, I get it. But it is kind of ludicrous for us to bank on this year being a real "win now" year tbh. I thought we should have tanked harder last year, and I figure this is another year to get a lotto pick before we have a bit of a break and then pile it on with Milwaukie picks. So the start we've had is well above my expectations. I'm honestly still not expecting us to win more than 37 games this year.

[dckingsfan]

None of us know if Yang will develop into an NBA level player but its a bit much to get hot and bothered about this player who is
adjusting to a new country and a level of competition after four games of a new season.

This. Different things going on here.

- Was Yang the right pick for this season?
- Was Yang the right pick when we look back from say 2028?
- Did this FO mess up the rest of the roster?
- Could we have secured NOs unprotected 2026 FRP
- etc.

But your point stands. Bigs take time to develop - especially bigs like Yang. Let's give him a couple of seasons.

[Walton1one]

Are there really people here who think he will develop to be better than DC? If not, then you have to question why POR drafted him in the first place.

Yang can have all the time in the world and it is not going to make him any less lumbering on the defensive end.

[mojomarc]

Are there really people here who think he will develop to be better than DC? If not, then you have to question why POR drafted him in the first place.

Yang can have all the time in the world and it is not going to make him any less lumbering on the defensive end.

I think it is fair to say he has a significantly different suite a skills he brings to the table than DC. DC likely will never have the court vision or passing capabilities of Yang.

But I still think that's the wrong way to look at things. You can only go with what you know at the time, and you can only look at it as a risk/reward scenario. Coward may have been low risk, but can you say he's going to be a legit allstar in future years? I don't see that kind of ceiling with him. I see a potential solid starter as kind of the high side. So he is low risk, low reward in the mid-first round.

Yang, on the other hand, is very high risk given his competition, but he is also potentially far higher reward than any other player in the draft. And we all knew he was going to be a project that likely would take a significant amount of time to get himself to NBA-level fitness and ability to play the game. But let's assume he pans out--you now have probably the second most interesting center in the western conference in three years behind Webanyama. If you have as many future draft picks that can be turned into good picks in the short term, and have as many young assets as we have, you can take these kinds of risks. If they don't pan out, it isn't like we couldn't take a 2031 Milwaukie pick (don't remember which years we have exactly, but you get the idea) and flip that for an extra lotto pick next year or the year after. So we can find additional lower risk, but lower potential reward, talents pretty easily.

The only reason to get disappointed this early is if you had expectations that we would be a competitive playoff team this year. And if you really thought that, then I don't think I can help you. I know I had this team as around 11th or 12th in the West and I was looking forward to another lotto pick next year.