Wemby is the best…

[Optms]

I think he has the highest upside

That's all OP needed to say.

Best player in the game with upside still left untapped. That is also what OP could have said.

[Johnny Firpo]

Disagree for obvious reasons. He has won a ROY and so far that is it. Oh, and four regular season games this year.

Didn’t read the OP? It’s not about longitudinal anything. It’s not about accolades.

That's not how this works. You can say he has the highest "IT factor" you've ever seen, or that he is the most "2k like". But you cannot state that he is the best, like it's a fact. He might be, but we have to have some objective measure for it, and I'm not even necessarily talking about team accomplishments here. I'll have no problem saying that your statement might be true at the end of the regular season, if he keeps this up, and the advanced and box score stats also show something truly special, sure, let's crown him then, in a vacuum still, but let's crown him. Not until then.

[Optms]

I had Lebron as the GOAT but that may be really short lived. Only health is gonna stop Wemby from taking over everything and rewriting the record books.

[Maf]

Yeah right, nothing is more exciting than couple of October wins.

[SNPA]

Disagree for obvious reasons. He has won a ROY and so far that is it. Oh, and four regular season games this year.

Didn’t read the OP? It’s not about longitudinal anything. It’s not about accolades.

That's not how this works. You can say he has the highest "IT factor" you've ever seen, or that he is the most "2k like". But you cannot state that he is the best, like it's a fact. He might be, but we have to have some objective measure for it, and I'm not even necessarily talking about team accomplishments here. I'll have no problem saying that your statement might be true at the end of the regular season, if he keeps this up, and the advanced and box score stats also show something truly special, sure, let's crown him then, in a vacuum still, but let's crown him. Not until then.

Sounds like you’re close. I’m already there. I’ve seen enough. I added the poll (knowing it’d be negative) so I don’t think I’m declaring it by fiat.

[SNPA]

I've been on RealGM for nearly a quarter century and this is right up there among the dumbest [expletive redacted] things I've ever seen on here.

lol. Poll is 25-75%. With 36 votes.

May I direct you to the Wemby I am Concerned threads. That seems to be what you are thinking of.

[SkyHook]

I've been on RealGM for nearly a quarter century and this is right up there among the dumbest [expletive redacted] things I've ever seen on here.

lol. Poll is 25-75%. With 36 votes.

May I direct you to the Wemby I am Concerned threads. That seems to be what you are thinking of.

A moronic response. Who says I'm concerned? Wemby is great and may end up in the basketball pantheon, but he is in no way, shape, or form at the pinnacle of everyone who has ever stepped on a court.

Slow your roll, take a breath, touch grass.

[SNPA]

I've been on RealGM for nearly a quarter century and this is right up there among the dumbest [expletive redacted] things I've ever seen on here.

lol. Poll is 25-75%. With 36 votes.

May I direct you to the Wemby I am Concerned threads. That seems to be what you are thinking of.

A moronic response. Who says I'm concerned? Wemby is great and may end up in the basketball pantheon, but he is in no way, shape, or form at the pinnacle of everyone who has ever stepped on a court.

Slow your roll, take a breath, touch grass.

You missed the reference.

[TheGOATRises007]

His ceiling is being the GOAT.

But you can't say he's the GOAT as of this moment. That is silly.

[CobraCommander]

He's not the best player yet but I'm comfortable saying he's the best prospect I've ever seen including MJ and LeBron. His ceiling is bananas and he's well on his way towards reaching it.

I think he has the highest upside possible but becoming the best ever takes a lot more than talent and size...there is a lot of winning and winning in high leverage moments.

Sports isn't a Beauty contest or a talent show...its a meritocracy...and its why MJ is the greatest and Wilt isn't regardless of stats...and why SGA, is ahead of luka when Luka and SGA are as close to even as two players could be....like how giannis and jokic are close...winning matters in competition and Wemby isn't better than SGA, Jokic or Giannis, Curry, Lebron or KD yet...you have to do something like hoist a trophy....and I know people say..ring chasing doesn't matter...but those are people that don't live in the west or understand that sports is about winning not about skills or ability...its about winning period everything else is optional in the debate of greatest ever.

This is a big reason why though I think of it as performance in big moments. With that, I might still have Luka over SGA if his finals performance substantially outshone SGA's, even in a loss, but it didn't really.

age old question - talent over winning....and I take winning and others take talent...tmac or Kobe... either way both those guys are fine...they are not going to be the greatest ever...if wemby wins a ton he could be.

[Capn'O]

He's not the best player yet but I'm comfortable saying he's the best prospect I've ever seen including MJ and LeBron. His ceiling is bananas and he's well on his way towards reaching it.

I think he has the highest upside possible but becoming the best ever takes a lot more than talent and size...there is a lot of winning and winning in high leverage moments.

Sports isn't a Beauty contest or a talent show...its a meritocracy...and its why MJ is the greatest and Wilt isn't regardless of stats...and why SGA, is ahead of luka when Luka and SGA are as close to even as two players could be....like how giannis and jokic are close...winning matters in competition and Wemby isn't better than SGA, Jokic or Giannis, Curry, Lebron or KD yet...you have to do something like hoist a trophy....and I know people say..ring chasing doesn't matter...but those are people that don't live in the west or understand that sports is about winning not about skills or ability...its about winning period everything else is optional in the debate of greatest ever.

This is a big reason why though I think of it as performance in big moments. With that, I might still have Luka over SGA if his finals performance substantially outshone SGA's, even in a loss, but it didn't really.

age old question - talent over winning....and I take winning and others take talent...tmac or Kobe... either way both those guys are fine...they are not going to be the greatest ever...if wemby wins a ton he could be.

Oh, I side towards winning but then there's the Robert Horry Paradox. In the hypothetical I posted above, it would have said more about Luka's team if he had put up all time numbers and still lost. As it was, he performed similarly to SGA and so you have to give SGA some extra flowers for the W.

[holdenwait]

sorry but this is dumb...

[CobraCommander]

He's not the best player yet but I'm comfortable saying he's the best prospect I've ever seen including MJ and LeBron. His ceiling is bananas and he's well on his way towards reaching it.



This is a big reason why though I think of it as performance in big moments. With that, I might still have Luka over SGA if his finals performance substantially outshone SGA's, even in a loss, but it didn't really.

age old question - talent over winning....and I take winning and others take talent...tmac or Kobe... either way both those guys are fine...they are not going to be the greatest ever...if wemby wins a ton he could be.

Oh, I side towards winning but then there's the Robert Horry Paradox. In the hypothetical I posted above, it would have said more about Luka's team if he had put up all time numbers and still lost. As it was, he performed similarly to SGA and so you have to give SGA some extra flowers for the W.

I go with winning over everything....primary reason for winning was SGA...let's see if Wemby can do that... also I don't think Wemby can win one ring and be the best ever... honestly Wemby has to get past the top players that have not won MVPs but will like Luka and Ant-Man... then he has to get past the stop winners without MVPs like Tatum...before he gets to the old guard winners/mvp like LBJ, KD and Curry before he gets to the winners with MVPs like SGA, Jokic and Giannis...

[Infinite Llamas]

ITT I learned that beating Dallas, New Orleans, Brooklyn and Toronto can do wonderful things for one’s career trajectory.

[SkyBill40]

Wemby is more skilled though….

According to what, exactly? Chamberlain in this day and age would be so incredibly dominant that Wemby might look like a talented bench player. Dude has skill, no doubt... but recency bias is STRONG in this conversation. The game as we know it was changed at it's core because of just how dominant Wilt was. They haven't changed anything because of Wemby and the likelihood they do anything of that sort borders on moot.

Wilt is a fair question but ultimately 2 championships is simply not enough. Imo, Kareem is better than Wilt. Wilt only one 4 MVPs. Kareem won 5 MVPS in 7 seasons. In terms of skill as good as Wilt was he couldn't make free throws. Wilt was a career 51.1% from the free throw line. Wemby doesn't have that weakness. And Wilt was only 7'1 with a 7'8 wingspan. Wemby is 7'6 with an 8 foot wingspan. A vastly better shooter. And overall just a better mentality. Wilt loved basketball for what it did for him. And was known just as much for his off the court activities as for his own the court activities. Wemby simply wants to be the best.

And he works on his game.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10139672-video-wemby-calls-out-some-nba-players-for-not-doing-as-much-work-as-i-thought

"How, in a good way, some of them are really impressive and inspiring in the way they approach the game every night, but others that I used to like and now it's like, nah, I'm not sure that they deserve it. They don't seem like they put in as much work as I thought."

This tells you all you need to know about Wemby. He's just getting started. He wants to dominate and he's willing to put the work in.

Many of the things you mentioned are wholly irrelevant and purely subjective. Awards don't matter when we're talking strictly about the player and their physical ability individually. And Wilt was a much stronger physical specimen than Kareem ever was and considering Wemby, too.

[Archx]

Oh, I side towards winning but then there's the Robert Horry Paradox. In the hypothetical I posted above, it would have said more about Luka's team if he had put up all time numbers and still lost. As it was, he performed similarly to SGA and so you have to give SGA some extra flowers for the W.

I'm not sure Mavs performance is comparable to OKC finals performance though. Outside of 1 player, a collective Mavs team forgot how to play offense and shoot, Kyrie included. Role players and Kyrie made only 4 three point shots in their first two games combined on 32 open shots created according to NBA.com.

[Johnny Firpo]

Didn’t read the OP? It’s not about longitudinal anything. It’s not about accolades.

That's not how this works. You can say he has the highest "IT factor" you've ever seen, or that he is the most "2k like". But you cannot state that he is the best, like it's a fact. He might be, but we have to have some objective measure for it, and I'm not even necessarily talking about team accomplishments here. I'll have no problem saying that your statement might be true at the end of the regular season, if he keeps this up, and the advanced and box score stats also show something truly special, sure, let's crown him then, in a vacuum still, but let's crown him. Not until then.

Sounds like you’re close. I’m already there. I’ve seen enough. I added the poll (knowing it’d be negative) so I don’t think I’m declaring it by fiat.

I'm open to it, sure. If he plays 70+ games and has a 10+ EPM, or a 12, which would destroy Jokics' best season, and also has the highest PER in NBA history, best +-, etc, then it will be obvious, and I will have no problem saying that he is the best ever, similarly how they crowned MJ way before he won his 1st championship.

[KayDee35]

There was this one guy who won Rookie of the Year and MVP in the same season and then went on to break 72 NBA records. He once scored 100 points in a game. The bar is very high, my dude, and Wemby isn't close yet.

[Marvin Martian]

ITT I learned that beating Dallas, New Orleans, Brooklyn and Toronto can do wonderful things for one’s career trajectory.

The DAL performance was legit. On paper, DAL is one of the best teams defensively equipped to deal with a star C, and Wemby completely destroyed them.

[zimpy27]

ITT I learned that beating Dallas, New Orleans, Brooklyn and Toronto can do wonderful things for one’s career trajectory.

Playoff level teams