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76ciology wrote:76ciology wrote:No praise for our FO for not re-signing Yabu?
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stormi wrote:76ciology wrote:76ciology wrote:No praise for our FO for not re-signing Yabu?
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Snorey's been on a bit of a generational run since the George signing:
Grimes trade
Drafting VJ
Going the youthful committee route in the front court instead of spamming washed vets
I think it's very unlikely Morey moves either of them this year unless Embiid had to retire.mjkvol wrote:The first question running through my mind while watching the Orlando game: Do we really have to play Embiid and George, or can we just somehow move them?
This is the most fun iteration of Sixers since the early Embiid/Simmons period, with the Harden full year coming in second only because Glenn was somehow still here. This group is a blast to watch - Maxey has become a bona fide leader, there is no ceiling right now for what VJ could turn into, Oubre looks reborn, and we've got a bunch of young guys that are balling. Hell, even Drummond looks competent.
We'll have a logjam at guard, as Maxey and VJ look like an elite backcourt already. When McCain returns, I wonder if we use him or Grimes in a deal for a 3&D guy or a stretch 5? Quite frankly, I like Grimes a lot as the third guard.
mjkvol wrote:The first question running through my mind while watching the Orlando game: Do we really have to play Embiid and George, or can we just somehow move them?
This is the most fun iteration of Sixers since the early Embiid/Simmons period, with the Harden full year coming in second only because Glenn was somehow still here. This group is a blast to watch - Maxey has become a bona fide leader, there is no ceiling right now for what VJ could turn into, Oubre looks reborn, and we've got a bunch of young guys that are balling. Hell, even Drummond looks competent.
We'll have a logjam at guard, as Maxey and VJ look like an elite backcourt already. When McCain returns, I wonder if we use him or Grimes in a deal for a 3&D guy or a stretch 5? Quite frankly, I like Grimes a lot as the third guard.
76ciology wrote:mjkvol wrote:The first question running through my mind while watching the Orlando game: Do we really have to play Embiid and George, or can we just somehow move them?
This is the most fun iteration of Sixers since the early Embiid/Simmons period, with the Harden full year coming in second only because Glenn was somehow still here. This group is a blast to watch - Maxey has become a bona fide leader, there is no ceiling right now for what VJ could turn into, Oubre looks reborn, and we've got a bunch of young guys that are balling. Hell, even Drummond looks competent.
We'll have a logjam at guard, as Maxey and VJ look like an elite backcourt already. When McCain returns, I wonder if we use him or Grimes in a deal for a 3&D guy or a stretch 5? Quite frankly, I like Grimes a lot as the third guard.
We’d be a more fun and complete team once we integrate everyone. It’s one thing to play at this level, but sustaining it requires depth and pacing. The way we played against the Magic wasn’t sustainable, it demanded too much energy, and it’s hard to expect Oubre and VJ to keep scoring 20–25 points per game efficiently all season.
Ideally, we’d have all our guys available, playing at a high level and winning games while being able to shift gears depending on what’s needed to close them out.
Teams are pressing more and emphasizing extra possessions, which takes a lot of energy, another reason why having depth is so important.
It looks like we’ve found a way to play without Embiid. Now the challenge is learning how to play with him and George. Once we figure out that formula, we’ll not only be better but also a lot more fun to watch.
Ferry Avenue wrote:The most interesting thing about last night's game is that with Embiid on the court in the clutch, they lose.
He makes neither the put back dunk nor the blocks Bona did, and without those they lose.
mjkvol wrote:76ciology wrote:mjkvol wrote:The first question running through my mind while watching the Orlando game: Do we really have to play Embiid and George, or can we just somehow move them?
This is the most fun iteration of Sixers since the early Embiid/Simmons period, with the Harden full year coming in second only because Glenn was somehow still here. This group is a blast to watch - Maxey has become a bona fide leader, there is no ceiling right now for what VJ could turn into, Oubre looks reborn, and we've got a bunch of young guys that are balling. Hell, even Drummond looks competent.
We'll have a logjam at guard, as Maxey and VJ look like an elite backcourt already. When McCain returns, I wonder if we use him or Grimes in a deal for a 3&D guy or a stretch 5? Quite frankly, I like Grimes a lot as the third guard.
We’d be a more fun and complete team once we integrate everyone. It’s one thing to play at this level, but sustaining it requires depth and pacing. The way we played against the Magic wasn’t sustainable, it demanded too much energy, and it’s hard to expect Oubre and VJ to keep scoring 20–25 points per game efficiently all season.
Ideally, we’d have all our guys available, playing at a high level and winning games while being able to shift gears depending on what’s needed to close them out.
Teams are pressing more and emphasizing extra possessions, which takes a lot of energy, another reason why having depth is so important.
It looks like we’ve found a way to play without Embiid. Now the challenge is learning how to play with him and George. Once we figure out that formula, we’ll not only be better but also a lot more fun to watch.
The 'new normal' appears like it's going to be Embiid as a 25 minute or so player who might not necessarily be in during crunch time. I like the way he is appearing to understand that this isn't his team any more, and is doing more as a contributor than as the alpha - at least that's what I got out of the WAS game last night.
Regarding George, if he can return as a highly overpaid 3&D guy off the bench and be happy in that role, then perhaps you're right and this might work. I still long for the day when he is gone.
M2J wrote:Ferry Avenue wrote:The most interesting thing about last night's game is that with Embiid on the court in the clutch, they lose.
He makes neither the put back dunk nor the blocks Bona did, and without those they lose.
That's a fact with current Joel. This conversation has to be revisited in a few weeks though. If he still isn't moving better defensively consistently, because there are times when he does show defensive ability.... I'm still thinking he's not in shape to give effort when he's tired. I mean he's big and long enough and a smart enough defender to still be a quality run defender and man defender in the post specifically without leaping for contests with whatever brace he had on fire protection
Ferry Avenue wrote:M2J wrote:Ferry Avenue wrote:The most interesting thing about last night's game is that with Embiid on the court in the clutch, they lose.
He makes neither the put back dunk nor the blocks Bona did, and without those they lose.
That's a fact with current Joel. This conversation has to be revisited in a few weeks though. If he still isn't moving better defensively consistently, because there are times when he does show defensive ability.... I'm still thinking he's not in shape to give effort when he's tired. I mean he's big and long enough and a smart enough defender to still be a quality run defender and man defender in the post specifically without leaping for contests with whatever brace he had on fire protection
The problem is that even if Embiid returns to MVP form, if the team uses him in its customary manner he functions as a ball and chain on the team both physically and emotionally. You can't organize your team around a player who 1) can't fuction effectively as a closer, 2) regularly appears downtrodden and exhausted, and 3) can't make it through the playoffs healthy.
They need to transition him to becoming a bench player whose absence physically and emotionally doesn't affect the team significantly. Use him like teams used Lou Williams -- for some immediate scoring off the bench and not much else. That way if he's injured or downtrodden you've established the ability to win without him.