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Booker coming off the IR.

[Dresden]

That's good news, because we lost Shemar and maybe Robinson.

[FecesOfDeath]

i don't think they practice being that wide open and having to take their pick of where to comfortably "settle"

It’s more situational awareness. Great receivers understand that they can’t plant directly behind a defender and expect for it to be an easy throw. Especially in the red zone when the field is already shorten.

Theres a reason why players like Jettas and St Brown get so many receptions, they are great at this. Everything isn’t always just out running or routing your defender.

It’s called finding the “soft spot” in the zone.

Sure but DJ was basically wide open as soon as he broke inside. Caleb had an ~18 yd throw with ~8 yds of cushion; just get it over the D-line/LB with a little touch and it's a TD. No need for CW to have to sling the ball 8ft off the ground past the MLB's ear. Simple throw, very similar to a checkdown pass over a defender to the RB.
I think under normal game conditions Caleb makes the easy touch throw. But everything was so hurry up rush at that point, Caleb sped up the whole process and fired the ball.

There are two possible reasons for Caleb to throw it to DJ like that, and both are bad.

1) Caleb rarely ever throws the ball with touch. In Madden terms, he always holds downs a pass button.

2) Caleb still didn't think DJ was as open as he actually was. Caleb has been seeing ghosts in coverage ever since the Notre Dame game in college, which explains why Caleb almost never throws to a non-first-read target unless it's unmistakably wide open.

#1 is fixable. #2 is a deep sports psychological problem that only routine therapy could possibly fix.

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It’s more situational awareness. Great receivers understand that they can’t plant directly behind a defender and expect for it to be an easy throw. Especially in the red zone when the field is already shorten.

Theres a reason why players like Jettas and St Brown get so many receptions, they are great at this. Everything isn’t always just out running or routing your defender.

It’s called finding the “soft spot” in the zone.

Sure but DJ was basically wide open as soon as he broke inside. Caleb had an ~18 yd throw with ~8 yds of cushion; just get it over the D-line/LB with a little touch and it's a TD. No need for CW to have to sling the ball 8ft off the ground past the MLB's ear. Simple throw, very similar to a checkdown pass over a defender to the RB.
I think under normal game conditions Caleb makes the easy touch throw. But everything was so hurry up rush at that point, Caleb sped up the whole process and fired the ball.

There are two possible reasons for Caleb to throw it to DJ like that, and both are bad.

1) Caleb rarely ever throws the ball with touch. In Madden terms, he always holds downs a pass button.

i don't know about rarely. he certainly has the capability

2) Caleb still didn't think DJ was as open as he actually was. Caleb has been seeing ghosts in coverage ever since the Notre Dame game in college, which explains why Caleb almost never throws to a non-first-read target unless it's unmistakably wide open.

#1 is fixable. #2 is a deep sports psychological problem that only routine therapy could possibly fix.

therapy might help...but so would simply being told to make a good throw and not worry about potential consequences so much

that 70% goal by BJ at the start of the season is looking even worse now than i though it did at the time. encouraged an already very cautious QB further in that direction...and hasn't boosted his poor completion % a bit

i'm encouraged that goff sucked his first year in detroit

[FecesOfDeath]

that 70% goal by BJ at the start of the season is looking even worse now than i though it did at the time. encouraged an already very cautious QB further in that direction...and hasn't boosted his poor completion % a bit

i'm encouraged that goff sucked his first year in detroit

Ben Johnson wasn't the OC in Goff's first year in Detroit, and in Ben's first 4 games as the Lions' OC, they averaged 35 points per game.

And Goff improved considerably in his second season, which was Sean McVay's first season as the Rams' HC. He led the NFL in ANY/A.

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This is going to be interesting.

But this is clearly a Ben Johnson/Dennis Allen move. Poles only signs high character players. It’s Ben’s show now.

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[Dresden]

Skatteboo broke his fibula and tore ligaments in his ankle. Ouch.

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that 70% goal by BJ at the start of the season is looking even worse now than i though it did at the time. encouraged an already very cautious QB further in that direction...and hasn't boosted his poor completion % a bit

i'm encouraged that goff sucked his first year in detroit

Ben Johnson wasn't the OC in Goff's first year in Detroit, and in Ben's first 4 games as the Lions' OC, they averaged 35 points per game.

And Goff improved considerably in his second season, which was Sean McVay's first season as the Rams' HC. He led the NFL in ANY/A.

I can’t remember, but I have heard it said that there wasn’t nearly as much talent during those first Goff/Johnson years as there is supposedly on the Bears right now.

[FecesOfDeath]

that 70% goal by BJ at the start of the season is looking even worse now than i though it did at the time. encouraged an already very cautious QB further in that direction...and hasn't boosted his poor completion % a bit

i'm encouraged that goff sucked his first year in detroit

Ben Johnson wasn't the OC in Goff's first year in Detroit, and in Ben's first 4 games as the Lions' OC, they averaged 35 points per game.

And Goff improved considerably in his second season, which was Sean McVay's first season as the Rams' HC. He led the NFL in ANY/A.

I can’t remember, but I have heard it said that there wasn’t nearly as much talent during those first Goff/Johnson years as there is supposedly on the Bears right now.

The 2022 Lions weren't loaded with talent. Swift wasn't even their top running back that season, but the one who was, Jamaal Williams, is currently out of the NFL before reaching Age 30 and, for now, is an analyst for Fox Sports. Amon-Ra did make the Pro Bowl, but their receiver corps wasn't remarkable otherwise, and they traded away Hockenson midseason. They did have Ragnow and Sewell on the line.

They didn't have Gibbs, Montgomery, Jameson Williams, or LaPorta until the next season.

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Ben Johnson wasn't the OC in Goff's first year in Detroit, and in Ben's first 4 games as the Lions' OC, they averaged 35 points per game.

And Goff improved considerably in his second season, which was Sean McVay's first season as the Rams' HC. He led the NFL in ANY/A.

I can’t remember, but I have heard it said that there wasn’t nearly as much talent during those first Goff/Johnson years as there is supposedly on the Bears right now.

The 2022 Lions weren't loaded with talent. Swift wasn't even their top running back that season, but the one who was, Jamaal Williams, is currently out of the NFL before reaching Age 30 and, for now, is an analyst for Fox Sports. Amon-Ra did make the Pro Bowl, but their receiver corps wasn't remarkable otherwise, and they traded away Hockenson midseason. They did have Ragnow and Sewell on the line.

They didn't have Gibbs, Montgomery, Jameson Williams, or LaPorta until the next season.

and amon-ra was a rookie 4th rounder who didn't start for much of the season. 350 yards thru 10 weeks, 600 yards the rest of the way

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Whose worst. The Bulls old medical staff or the Bears lol

Ppl want to blame Poles for the injuries too lol

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Whose worst. The Bulls old medical staff or the Bears lol

Ppl want to blame Poles for the injuries too lol

They should. He hired them even worse kept the medical staff which is bad at preventing injuries

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its so funny that any football team suffering a rash of injuries defaults to "wow, the training staff must be uniquely bad" and not "football is a game where a lot of people get injured and sometimes those happen to bunch up in a particularly unfortunate way"

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its so funny that any football team suffering a rash of injuries defaults to "wow, the training staff must be uniquely bad" and not "football is a game where a lot of people get injured and sometimes those happen to bunch up in a particularly unfortunate way"

People, amateurs dont understand that biggest part of quality of recovery medical staff is preventing injuries from happening in first place. Means being players being monitored, their bodies being recovered and regenerated after workouts, trainings and games. So if a lot of people on your squad is getting injured, means that football staff alongside medical staff are not on same page. Either football staff is basically killing players and threating them like Russians Russians do, just another body or your recovery med staff is pure sh/)#ZE. The end.

[FecesOfDeath]

I can’t remember, but I have heard it said that there wasn’t nearly as much talent during those first Goff/Johnson years as there is supposedly on the Bears right now.

The 2022 Lions weren't loaded with talent. Swift wasn't even their top running back that season, but the one who was, Jamaal Williams, is currently out of the NFL before reaching Age 30 and, for now, is an analyst for Fox Sports. Amon-Ra did make the Pro Bowl, but their receiver corps wasn't remarkable otherwise, and they traded away Hockenson midseason. They did have Ragnow and Sewell on the line.

They didn't have Gibbs, Montgomery, Jameson Williams, or LaPorta until the next season.

and amon-ra was a rookie 4th rounder who didn't start for much of the season. 350 yards thru 10 weeks, 600 yards the rest of the way

This is why I'm saying that the Bears are a more-structured QB away from having one of the best offenses in the league. The the offensive talent of the 2025 Bears is a lot better than the offensive talent of the 2022 Lions.

Goff may have had his NFL career resurrected twice -- once by McVay and once by Johnson -- but he plays on time, AND he can make more than one read, AND he can throw the ball on time to non-primary targets, AND they don't have to be five yards open for him to throw to them. And tight ends are legitimate targets.

He may not have as many platforms to throw off of like Caleb does, but the types of throws that Goff can make for an offense -- back shoulders, Cover-2-beaters, deep fades, corner of the endzone fades, touch throws between linebackers and safeties, and Hail Marys just to targets with defenders draped on their backs -- are a lot more varied than Caleb's, and he's a lot more consistent with them.

The Bears can try to keep Caleb's trade value high and then trade him away in the draft in order to draft a taller, more structured QB like Fernando Mendoza, or they can try to find a way to trade for Mac Jones or Purdy or even snatch away Daniel Jones. There are better options that fit Ben Johnson's offense than Caleb Williams does.

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The 2022 Lions weren't loaded with talent. Swift wasn't even their top running back that season, but the one who was, Jamaal Williams, is currently out of the NFL before reaching Age 30 and, for now, is an analyst for Fox Sports. Amon-Ra did make the Pro Bowl, but their receiver corps wasn't remarkable otherwise, and they traded away Hockenson midseason. They did have Ragnow and Sewell on the line.

They didn't have Gibbs, Montgomery, Jameson Williams, or LaPorta until the next season.

and amon-ra was a rookie 4th rounder who didn't start for much of the season. 350 yards thru 10 weeks, 600 yards the rest of the way

This is why I'm saying that the Bears are a more-structured QB away from having one of the best offenses in the league. The the offensive talent of the 2025 Bears is a lot better than the offensive talent of the 2022 Lions.

Goff may have had his NFL career resurrected twice -- once by McVay and once by Johnson -- but he plays on time, AND he can make more than one read, AND he can throw the ball on time to non-primary targets, AND they don't have to be five yards open for him to throw to them. And tight ends are legitimate targets.

He may not have as many platforms to throw off of like Caleb does, but the types of throws that Goff can make for an offense -- back shoulders, Cover-2-beaters, deep fades, corner of the endzone fades, touch throws between linebackers and safeties, and Hail Marys just to targets with defenders draped on their backs -- are a lot more varied than Caleb's, and he's a lot more consistent with them.

The Bears can try to keep Caleb's trade value high and then trade him away in the draft in order to draft a taller, more structured QB like Fernando Mendoza, or they can try to find a way to trade for Mac Jones or Purdy or even snatch away Daniel Jones. There are better options that fit Ben Johnson's offense than Caleb Williams does.

caleb will be here through next season at minimum

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and amon-ra was a rookie 4th rounder who didn't start for much of the season. 350 yards thru 10 weeks, 600 yards the rest of the way

This is why I'm saying that the Bears are a more-structured QB away from having one of the best offenses in the league. The the offensive talent of the 2025 Bears is a lot better than the offensive talent of the 2022 Lions.

Goff may have had his NFL career resurrected twice -- once by McVay and once by Johnson -- but he plays on time, AND he can make more than one read, AND he can throw the ball on time to non-primary targets, AND they don't have to be five yards open for him to throw to them. And tight ends are legitimate targets.

He may not have as many platforms to throw off of like Caleb does, but the types of throws that Goff can make for an offense -- back shoulders, Cover-2-beaters, deep fades, corner of the endzone fades, touch throws between linebackers and safeties, and Hail Marys just to targets with defenders draped on their backs -- are a lot more varied than Caleb's, and he's a lot more consistent with them.

The Bears can try to keep Caleb's trade value high and then trade him away in the draft in order to draft a taller, more structured QB like Fernando Mendoza, or they can try to find a way to trade for Mac Jones or Purdy or even snatch away Daniel Jones. There are better options that fit Ben Johnson's offense than Caleb Williams does.

caleb will be here through next season at minimum

He’s very capable of mirroring Cutler with the Broncos, at least in terms of career regard. Would anyone be surprised if the Bears trade him for a 1st and a 3rd or whatever after his 4th year? Ben Johnson seems like a strange fit for for him, and his basic game appears Cutleresque.

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Apparently, there’s a chance Flacco misses the game