PG: Bucks play hard and come back

[ctorres]

Fell asleep during the game

For weeks I've been saying the Bucks are a good team. No one has wanted to give them credit in here

I'm looking at the box score. Both teams shot almost identically from the free throw line. Bucks shot 21/24, Knicks shot 20/23

Bucks made 14 threes (at 41.2%), Knicks made 13 threes (at 32.5%).

Bucks attempted 79 field goals, Knicks had 92 field goal attempts.

Knicks had 13 more attempts and still lost by 10 points

It wasn't just Giannis having his usual monster game.

I told you all in the last game thread, watch out for Gary Trent Jr, AJ Green, and Ryan Rollins. They collectively shot 9 of 14 from the 3pt line.

Myles Tuner has not shot well yet, but he's doing exactly as I expected, replicating the Brook Lopez role defensively while getting out of GIannis' way on the offensive end.

Bucks have figured out their identity a little earlier in the season than the Knicks have

[Capn'O]

Warriors fan here. I come in peace. I've been curious about how Brown's offense would fare for the Knicks. As an outsider, I've thought that the Knicks could use more layers to their offense and more spontaneity. I thought Towns could really look good in this offense as a playmaker, given what Brown got out of Sabonis and a heavy diet of DHO's in Sacramento.

During training camp, I saw KAT's quotes about not really knowing what the Knicks' offense was supposed to be. This was, I thought, a bad omen.

I caught some of Sunday night's game against the Heat and most of the third and fourth quarters of tonight's game. I've been shocked by how bad KAT looks. I really thought his passing skills would play well in Brown's system, but yikes. To my eye, it looks like KAT is dragging the offense to a slow crawl in the halfcourt when gets the ball. It looks like he's rushing shots when he feels like he hasn't shot the ball in a few possessions. The offense has looked smoothest, to me, with KAT off of the floor, or KAT screening and spacing the floor but not... actually touching the ball.

I've seen KAT meltdowns dating back to his Minnesota days, most notably, the 2022 play-in game where he had one of the most disastrous stretches of turnovers, baffling fouls, and stubborn post-up attempts that I've ever seen. I guess I thought KAT would grow out of these spastic, emotionally unregulated stretches of basketball, but at this point, he's nearly 30, and he's still committing Russell Westbrook-level meltdowns.

I'm curious if people think I'm being unfair or if KAT-skepticism is a commonly-held feeling around these parts. I'd like the Knicks to go far in the east. KAT seems to me like an active deterrent to that goal.

I mean, he's been pretty bad so far this year. He's a little dinged up but I'm concerned beyond that. He said he didn't know what he's supposed to do and he's playing like it.

[ctorres]

Credit to KAT for taking accountability

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Also, I think GIannis' response should put an end to trade speculation

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[RHODEY]

Warriors fan here. I come in peace. I've been curious about how Brown's offense would fare for the Knicks. As an outsider, I've thought that the Knicks could use more layers to their offense and more spontaneity. I thought Towns could really look good in this offense as a playmaker, given what Brown got out of Sabonis and a heavy diet of DHO's in Sacramento.

During training camp, I saw KAT's quotes about not really knowing what the Knicks' offense was supposed to be. This was, I thought, a bad omen.

I caught some of Sunday night's game against the Heat and most of the third and fourth quarters of tonight's game. I've been shocked by how bad KAT looks. I really thought his passing skills would play well in Brown's system, but yikes. To my eye, it looks like KAT is dragging the offense to a slow crawl in the halfcourt when gets the ball. It looks like he's rushing shots when he feels like he hasn't shot the ball in a few possessions. The offense has looked smoothest, to me, with KAT off of the floor, or KAT screening and spacing the floor but not... actually touching the ball.

I've seen KAT meltdowns dating back to his Minnesota days, most notably, the 2022 play-in game where he had one of the most disastrous stretches of turnovers, baffling fouls, and stubborn post-up attempts that I've ever seen. I guess I thought KAT would grow out of these spastic, emotionally unregulated stretches of basketball, but at this point, he's nearly 30, and he's still committing Russell Westbrook-level meltdowns.

I'm curious if people think I'm being unfair or if KAT-skepticism is a commonly-held feeling around these parts. I'd like the Knicks to go far in the east. KAT seems to me like an active deterrent to that goal.

I mean, he's been pretty bad so far this year. He's a little dinged up but I'm concerned beyond that. He said he didn't know what he's supposed to do and he's playing like it.

The question that some have posed...can KAT play fast? If not can Brown adapt his system?

[Warriors Analyst]

Warriors fan here. I come in peace. I've been curious about how Brown's offense would fare for the Knicks. As an outsider, I've thought that the Knicks could use more layers to their offense and more spontaneity. I thought Towns could really look good in this offense as a playmaker, given what Brown got out of Sabonis and a heavy diet of DHO's in Sacramento.

During training camp, I saw KAT's quotes about not really knowing what the Knicks' offense was supposed to be. This was, I thought, a bad omen.

I caught some of Sunday night's game against the Heat and most of the third and fourth quarters of tonight's game. I've been shocked by how bad KAT looks. I really thought his passing skills would play well in Brown's system, but yikes. To my eye, it looks like KAT is dragging the offense to a slow crawl in the halfcourt when gets the ball. It looks like he's rushing shots when he feels like he hasn't shot the ball in a few possessions. The offense has looked smoothest, to me, with KAT off of the floor, or KAT screening and spacing the floor but not... actually touching the ball.

I've seen KAT meltdowns dating back to his Minnesota days, most notably, the 2022 play-in game where he had one of the most disastrous stretches of turnovers, baffling fouls, and stubborn post-up attempts that I've ever seen. I guess I thought KAT would grow out of these spastic, emotionally unregulated stretches of basketball, but at this point, he's nearly 30, and he's still committing Russell Westbrook-level meltdowns.

I'm curious if people think I'm being unfair or if KAT-skepticism is a commonly-held feeling around these parts. I'd like the Knicks to go far in the east. KAT seems to me like an active deterrent to that goal.

I mean, he's been pretty bad so far this year. He's a little dinged up but I'm concerned beyond that. He said he didn't know what he's supposed to do and he's playing like it.

The question that some have posed...can KAT play fast? If not can Brown adapt his system?

I saw a poster here point out that the Knicks' pace is still low relative to league ranks. By pace as a function of a team's possessions per game, I understand that the Knicks have been playing "slow." But as a longtime Warriors' fan, I have seen previous Warriors' teams play incredibly fast in the halfcourt while not having a super high "pace."

What I saw tonight is that the speed of the Knicks' halfcourt decision-making (I'll use "speed" instead of "pace" here to distinguish from the stat), can be quite fast. I saw several possessions where people made quick decisions with the ball in their hands and forced the defense to defend across the whole court. KAT doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the speed of Brown's desired halfcourt offense. KAT can pass, but from what I've seen, he's better passing on the drive or from the top of the key than he is a DHO guy and he seems to need a few seconds of dribbling to figure out his options.

[ctorres]

Credit to Mike Brown, he has a lot of class. I like the way he commands the post game conference with a statement before the questions come in.

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[ITGM]

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Welp, that ship has sailed:

[ScienceOfLosing]

Warriors fan here. I come in peace. I've been curious about how Brown's offense would fare for the Knicks. As an outsider, I've thought that the Knicks could use more layers to their offense and more spontaneity. I thought Towns could really look good in this offense as a playmaker, given what Brown got out of Sabonis and a heavy diet of DHO's in Sacramento.

During training camp, I saw KAT's quotes about not really knowing what the Knicks' offense was supposed to be. This was, I thought, a bad omen.

I caught some of Sunday night's game against the Heat and most of the third and fourth quarters of tonight's game. I've been shocked by how bad KAT looks. I really thought his passing skills would play well in Brown's system, but yikes. To my eye, it looks like KAT is dragging the offense to a slow crawl in the halfcourt when gets the ball. It looks like he's rushing shots when he feels like he hasn't shot the ball in a few possessions. The offense has looked smoothest, to me, with KAT off of the floor, or KAT screening and spacing the floor but not... actually touching the ball.

I've seen KAT meltdowns dating back to his Minnesota days, most notably, the 2022 play-in game where he had one of the most disastrous stretches of turnovers, baffling fouls, and stubborn post-up attempts that I've ever seen. I guess I thought KAT would grow out of these spastic, emotionally unregulated stretches of basketball, but at this point, he's nearly 30, and he's still committing Russell Westbrook-level meltdowns.

I'm curious if people think I'm being unfair or if KAT-skepticism is a commonly-held feeling around these parts. I'd like the Knicks to go far in the east. KAT seems to me like an active deterrent to that goal.

I mean, he's been pretty bad so far this year. He's a little dinged up but I'm concerned beyond that. He said he didn't know what he's supposed to do and he's playing like it.

The question that some have posed...can KAT play fast? If not can Brown adapt his system?

Even without KAT’s problems, how far will we get post season without being used to defense during the regular season?
I get playing a faster pace, but you need a team constructed for offense, not just a coach. We are the same team as last year with a better bench.

This was my worry with Brown to begin with, an offensive minded coach with the wrong car.
I am happy Thibs is gone but would have preferred a younger more flexable, two way coach.

[spree2kawhi]

I’d trade Towns for Giannis

[ctorres]

shout out to Kolek

after the first four games, he has the 4th highest field goal percentage on the team at 42.1% from the field!

his 3pt shooting percentage shows some promise at 27.3% at 2.8 attempts per game. I feel like as he gets more shots up and finds where his spots are consistently, he's gonna start knocking them down

he is unlikely to get any minutes alongside Brunson, but I have been concerned about the team having both Brunson and Kolek on the bench at the same time, with us running no point guard. I also don't like Kolek getting any less minutes than he has to. I just worry about Mike Brown being under pressure to just make our vets into defacto point guards instead of giving Kolek the opportunity he sorely needs!

Kolek's total numbers may not seem like a lot, but it's showing he may be an NBA caliber back-up point guard if we continue to give him playing time

48 minutes
19 points
8/19 fg's
3/11 3pt fg's
8 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
4 turnovers


Other notes:

I guess Mikal is playing a point forward role for us. He is averaging 4.5 apg on just 0.7 tov/g

outside of his rebounding, Hart's numbers across the board are absolutely abysmal right now

Mitch hurt
Josh hurt
KAT hurt
Yabu out of shape
Deuce dealing with personal stuff none of us have any idea about

Rough start right now but Kolek's development has been a positive!!!!

[jvsimonetti0514]

I wasn’t able to watch the 4th quarter and it doesn’t look like it got better than the 3rd. 40 points in the second half with our new offensive is brutal. Can’t remember the last time we’ve lost to the Bucks either. We’ve had their number for years.

Has anyone seen a player throw a temper tantrum on the court like Kat did tonight? RJ Barrett game in Utah where he completely melted down and shot like 3/18 but that wasn’t a temper tantrum. I know Kat being hurt is part of the issue but he’s clearly in a bad spot for whatever reason. Seems like everyone knows he’s not happy too. So let’s hope it works itself out.

I’m a big Josh hart guy but they paid 0 attention to him. Basically anyone attack had hart’s man to deal with too. It’s easy to say go fix your finger but with Mitch’s mysterious injury idk if you can lose another body.

Do you guys think it’s possible that the team just isn’t in good enough shape yet to be running as much as it is? We’ve really put together only a couple decent quarters since the game against the Cavs.

[whocares1]

Brown postgame pretty much saying he's trying to change KAT's perspective--just make the right plays, keep the ball moving, sacrifice for your teammates. I just don't know if he's that guy.

Literally that’s the one thing KAT usually does. He is almost too selfless lol.

[Fat Kat]

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[LookToShoot]

And we said “no” to Giannis to New York. SMH.

[Iron Mantis]

And we said “no” to Giannis to New York. SMH.

Bucks wanted Brunson.

[MrDollarBills]

If Karl is injured he needs to sit.

If he's confused he needs to pay attention and listen.

I don't wanna hear any excuses at this point. Play better and smarter. No one is asking him to reinvent the f*cking wheel, and no one has time for this sh*t. Do your job.

[LookToShoot]

And we said “no” to Giannis to New York. SMH.

Bucks wanted Brunson.

Fair enough.

[knicksfan974]

We got a KAT problem...he's not a winning player.

When KAT plays like this, the Knicks will be in trouble.

Where was Yabu btw?

[knicksfan974]

Knicks are scoring 22.5 points on average in 3rd quarters. THAT'S 30TH IN THE LEAGUE.

Other teams are making adjustments at the half and Brown no?

[knicksfan974]

Shamet had twice the amount of points KAT had. Let that sink in.

Shamet is a good role player and can actually help this team. KAT looked so weak vs the Bucks frontcourt.