Giannis with the worst travel of all time

[Myth]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

As much as this is correct, this rule is stupid. The initial point of the 2 steps was to allow players to stop, and that was before this dumb 0 step was even a thing. Now, it is spammed for the sake of trying to get additional movements after the dribble, and looser and looser rules interpretations have made it so there is 5 steps after the last dribble that players are taking advantage of to gain as much non-dribbling advantage as they can.

[sisibilio]

I counted 5 steps.

Edit - 6.

4
I've seen much worse.

[lambchop]

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I don't even think it's that hyperbolic.

I've seen both him, Shai and Wemby have some obvious travels go uncalled recently. If the best players can't be held accountable it takes away the credibility of the game.

Does he feel no shame doing that? He has to know he is travelling there. The gather step rule needs to be officiated much stricter.

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

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[lambchop]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

As much as this is correct, this rule is stupid. The initial point of the 2 steps was to allow players to stop, and that was before this dumb 0 step was even a thing. Now, it is spammed for the sake of trying to get additional movements after the dribble, and looser and looser rules interpretations have made it so there is 5 steps after the last dribble that players are taking advantage of to gain as much non-dribbling advantage as they can.

Yep, this is an excellent take. It's a legal play, however, it's becoming more and more obvious that this rule grants players unprecedented levels of freedom. As someone said earlier, tall guys like Wemby or Giannis can technically get to the rim using just one dribble, provided the ball is still spinning in their hands. Giannis seems fully aware of the rule, while Wemby isn't quite there yet. But when he fully understands it, the league will be in trouble.

Today’s players are so much more skilled than past generations. Plumbers from the 90s wouldn’t be able to do this move without a travel being called.

This is 100% true. Guys today have unfair advantages compared to former players. A lot of the moves guys pull off now simply would have been illegal back then. They would have looked nice on video, however, on one wants to average 8 TOs a game due to carrying and travel violations.

[CBS7]

Going against the grain and saying that's not bad at all. Its borderline. You could say he gathered too early and it is a travel. But if he gathered on time its 2 steps. You don't count steps from the time the ball last hit the ground, you count from when you stop "the act of dribbling". At least that's how it is in today's game.

I see worse travels pretty often.

[The4thHorseman]

This thread proves people don’t understand the rules of the NBA

how come?

Clearly not a travel. You can take as many steps as you want between dribbles, steps don’t count until the gather.

He took 2 steps after the gather.

Case closed.

Boomers can complain about the gather itself (they always do) but it’s still in the rules

That you, Thanasis?

[jasonxxx102]

I've seen both him, Shai and Wemby have some obvious travels go uncalled recently. If the best players can't be held accountable it takes away the credibility of the game.

Does he feel no shame doing that? He has to know he is travelling there. The gather step rule needs to be officiated much stricter.

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

This is the root of the problem. The rule is very clear, and the dudes stuck in the 90s refuse to accept it. They continuously complain about phantom travels. They don't want to understand, they just want something to be upset about

[og15]

This is not even close to the worst travel of all time, nowhere near. At worst he took 3 steps because he finished gathering before the first step with his left foot at 8 seconds. That was my conclusion in the game thread, but I understand that in real time, it is obviously a little tougher to know when the gather ended.

Remember we don't just start counting steps right after the ball is dribbled, basketball hasn't been officiated like that since 1950. You can take as many steps as you want in between dribbles until the ball comes back in your control. The logic of the gather is putting into words the unwritten rule about that, which is that refs would let guys "catch up" to the ball and have it in control before counting steps.

Also we would all be "traveling" if people watched us play basketball in slow motion and didn't account for the fact that the ball is still traveling in/near our hands while taking steps.

[Calvin Klein]

Man, Simpsons called out NBA for not calling any travels like 20 years ago by now. For how bad this is, this is not even close to worst examples. When Americans first sign over here, first thing they get instructed and have to adapt to is different travel officiating.

Years ago someone uncovered newsgroup post from 1980 complaining about star calls, referees and traveling, among other things

Ive been watching since the early 90s and it's always been the same.

[Calvin Klein]

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018.

2018 was the turning point for inflating stats and this is just one other reason. Rule changes implemented that year helped the scoring boost that we are seeing since then.

[UcanUwill]

Man, Simpsons called out NBA for not calling any travels like 20 years ago by now. For how bad this is, this is not even close to worst examples. When Americans first sign over here, first thing they get instructed and have to adapt to is different travel officiating.

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2:14 same gather move. i can find game after game of him doing it in FIBA play. the initial takeoff is a walk in FIBA for sure, but everything after that is clean as a nun.

I wasn't talking of FIBA, it is wildly popular opinion that FIBA protects NBA stars even more than NBA does, which they do, we have players going back to Navarro doing live in game showing how travelling rules change completely whenever USA plays. Navarro famously purposely traveled in Olympic final game and asked a ref does he knows basketball rules, because he just traveled, something opponents were doing whole game, but it that game it just wasnt called once.

[maxpower8888]

Nah, you guys just don't understand the new rules, let me explain it to you. You see, he did his gather step, then he took a half-gather step, which cancels out the first one, and then the third and fourth steps he was thinking about gathering, and so you see, only the last two counted. I understand why you'd think it was a travel though, it's very easy to misunderstand if you don't understand the new rule.

[The4thHorseman]

I've seen both him, Shai and Wemby have some obvious travels go uncalled recently. If the best players can't be held accountable it takes away the credibility of the game.

Does he feel no shame doing that? He has to know he is travelling there. The gather step rule needs to be officiated much stricter.

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

So Reggie and the other 2 announcers were wrong in the live broadcast? Wonder why they didn't have to apologize to the audience for wrongly calling out Giannis for this alleged non-travel? Maybe a video will come out today explaining why it wasn't a blatant travel?

[rand]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

I appreciate your post because it made me look closely and consider carefully whether this was a travel by the rules. It was a travel if we accept that Giannis has completed the gather when the ball stops spinning in his hand.

At :08 in the video the ball is in Giannis' right hand and has stopped spinning. Then he begins to bring the ball in his right hand to meet his left hand in a two hand grasp. At the point that the ball stopped spinning in Giannis' right hand, his right foot is on the floor and his left foot is off the floor.

At :09 he now has the ball in both hands and his left foot is on the floor with the right foot in the air. This is one step.

At :10 he rocks the ball back into his right hand. His right foot again hits the floor with left foot now in the air. This is two steps.

At :13 his left foot hits the floor for the final time, swinging his right foot off the floor. This is three steps. Then he jumps off his left foot to shoot.

[MoneyTalks41890]

This is more a symptom of how the NBA treats palming than anything else.

[cornchip]

As bad as this was, I feel like this happens almost every night in the NBA.

The worst is that this has infected levels of the youth game. Forget Giannis and Wemby, when some 12 year old does it, it looks absolutely ridiculous and youth refs let it slide.

[Lunartic]

Nah, you guys just don't understand the new rules, let me explain it to you. You see, he did his gather step, then he took a half-gather step, which cancels out the first one, and then the third and fourth steps he was thinking about gathering, and so you see, only the last two counted. I understand why you'd think it was a travel though, it's very easy to misunderstand if you don't understand the new rule.

Thank you for the clarifications, I'm just a poor cave dweller fan and I forgot about the "thinking about gathering" aspect, I need to be better

[lambchop]

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

So Reggie and the other 2 announcers were wrong in the live broadcast? Wonder why they didn't have to apologize to the audience for wrongly calling out Giannis for this alleged non-travel? Maybe a video will come out today explaining why it wasn't a blatant travel?

Yes, they were indeed wrong. The same applies here, Reggie calling this a travel is like me being unaware of the fact that 3 point shots exists and then complaining that the scorers table is adding an extra point on long distance shots.

I do expect mdw basketball to break down the play in the coming days.

[Celts17Pride]

They call traveling in the NBA?

[Lockdown504090]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

I appreciate your post because it made me look closely and consider carefully whether this was a travel by the rules. It was a travel if we accept that Giannis has completed the gather when the ball stops spinning in his hand.

At :08 in the video the ball is in Giannis' right hand and has stopped spinning. Then he begins to bring the ball in his right hand to meet his left hand in a two hand grasp. At the point that the ball stopped spinning in Giannis' right hand, his right foot is on the floor and his left foot is off the floor.

At :09 he now has the ball in both hands and his left foot is on the floor with the right foot in the air. This is one step.

At :10 he rocks the ball back into his right hand. His right foot again hits the floor with left foot now in the air. This is two steps.

At :13 his left foot hits the floor for the final time, swinging his right foot off the floor. This is three steps. Then he jumps off his left foot to shoot.

"A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" This is the gather step rule the left foot at :9 is not a step by the rules in any league that plays nba or fiba in 2025.