Giannis with the worst travel of all time

[Stan]

Are people really defending this travel? That is absolutely wild to me lol. My how far the product has fallen that this becomes acceptable.

[eminence]

This is more a symptom of how the NBA treats palming than anything else.

Agreed.

[rand]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

I appreciate your post because it made me look closely and consider carefully whether this was a travel by the rules. It was a travel if we accept that Giannis has completed the gather when the ball stops spinning in his hand.

At :08 in the video the ball is in Giannis' right hand and has stopped spinning. Then he begins to bring the ball in his right hand to meet his left hand in a two hand grasp. At the point that the ball stopped spinning in Giannis' right hand, his right foot is on the floor and his left foot is off the floor.

At :09 he now has the ball in both hands and his left foot is on the floor with the right foot in the air. This is one step.

At :10 he rocks the ball back into his right hand. His right foot again hits the floor with left foot now in the air. This is two steps.

At :13 his left foot hits the floor for the final time, swinging his right foot off the floor. This is three steps. Then he jumps off his left foot to shoot.

"A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" This is the gather step rule the left foot at :9 is not a step by the rules in any league that plays nba or fiba in 2025.

When does the gather end? Does it end as theforumblue suggested, when the ball stops spinning? Or does it end later?

The ball stops spinning at :08 so if that is when the gather ends, his right foot is in the air when he has possession. Then after he has possession, his right foot hits the ground. Why is that not a step? Does he have to have possession before a foot is lifted off the ground for that foot hitting the ground to count as a step?

[MavsDirk41]

I counted 5 steps.

Edit - 6.

4
I've seen much worse.

Its 5 steps and this might be the worst one that i have ever seen….and i like Giannis lol

[Lockdown504090]

I appreciate your post because it made me look closely and consider carefully whether this was a travel by the rules. It was a travel if we accept that Giannis has completed the gather when the ball stops spinning in his hand.

At :08 in the video the ball is in Giannis' right hand and has stopped spinning. Then he begins to bring the ball in his right hand to meet his left hand in a two hand grasp. At the point that the ball stopped spinning in Giannis' right hand, his right foot is on the floor and his left foot is off the floor.

At :09 he now has the ball in both hands and his left foot is on the floor with the right foot in the air. This is one step.

At :10 he rocks the ball back into his right hand. His right foot again hits the floor with left foot now in the air. This is two steps.

At :13 his left foot hits the floor for the final time, swinging his right foot off the floor. This is three steps. Then he jumps off his left foot to shoot.

"A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" This is the gather step rule the left foot at :9 is not a step by the rules in any league that plays nba or fiba in 2025.

When does the gather end? Does it end as theforumblue suggested, when the ball stops spinning? Or does it end later?

The ball stops spinning at :08 so if that is when the gather ends, his right foot is in the air when he has possession. Then after he has possession, his right foot hits the ground. Why is that not a step? Does he have to have possession before a foot is lifted off the ground for that foot hitting the ground to count as a step?

in real time, the ball stops becuase hes bringing it to his other hand. thats why it says "gathers" instead "a player who has gathered the ball". That is why the left foot doesnt count as a step. Actually this move, he could have crossed over and kept dribbling instead of grabbing it with both hands if he has the ball handling ability to do that. to do that.

[maxpower8888]

I think even by new rules this is a blatant travel. But if it's not, then the rules need to be changed so that **** like this is a travel.

[The4thHorseman]

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

So Reggie and the other 2 announcers were wrong in the live broadcast? Wonder why they didn't have to apologize to the audience for wrongly calling out Giannis for this alleged non-travel? Maybe a video will come out today explaining why it wasn't a blatant travel?

Yes, they were indeed wrong. The same applies here, Reggie calling this a travel is like me being unaware of the fact that 3 point shots exists and then complaining that the scorers table is adding an extra point on long distance shots.

I do expect mdw basketball to break down the play in the coming days.

Understanding what a 3pt shot is compared to understanding what Giannis did was not a travel isnt even close to being a similar comparison. If it were, then 95% of those in this thread wouldn't be calling it a travel. I'd love to see the breakdown. If you see it, then please post the link here.

[rand]

"A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" This is the gather step rule the left foot at :9 is not a step by the rules in any league that plays nba or fiba in 2025.

When does the gather end? Does it end as theforumblue suggested, when the ball stops spinning? Or does it end later?

The ball stops spinning at :08 so if that is when the gather ends, his right foot is in the air when he has possession. Then after he has possession, his right foot hits the ground. Why is that not a step? Does he have to have possession before a foot is lifted off the ground for that foot hitting the ground to count as a step?

in real time, the ball stops becuase hes bringing it to his other hand. thats why it says "gathers" instead "a player who has gathered the ball". That is why the left foot doesnt count as a step. Actually this move, he could have crossed over and kept dribbling instead of grabbing it with both hands if he has the ball handling ability to do that. to do that.

I think the ball stops spinning before Giannis begins moving his right hand toward his left. But even if that's not the case, and he has begun to move the ball in his right hand toward his left, this would not matter if the gather ends when the ball stops spinning. If the gather ends when the ball stops spinning, then when he gathers his right foot is still in the air and he has possession before it hits the floor.

If the stoppage of spin is not the mark of when the gather is considered over, that's another matter.

[G35]

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

This is the root of the problem. The rule is very clear, and the dudes stuck in the 90s refuse to accept it. They continuously complain about phantom travels. They don't want to understand, they just want something to be upset about

First, this new gather rule was implemented in 2018. Fine. But it is a shotty rule that is giving players more advantages over defenders to do things that were not ever done before.

As people have been saying for a LONG time that young posters refuse to listen to that the modern NBA is creating rules to help the offense. But the rhetoric will be is that players are "more skilled" and "more talented". You cannot claim more talent when in the past you got 1.5 to 2 steps but now players can get six steps. That is not more talented.

Just wait until 2028 when the NBA comes up with a new rule called, "Travel as much as you want. Pick the ball up and run with it. We call it...RUBGY!".......

[CM17]

with the new gather interpretation you can do about everything now. You can run from basket to basket if you act like you don't have control of the ball.

[jasonxxx102]

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

This is the root of the problem. The rule is very clear, and the dudes stuck in the 90s refuse to accept it. They continuously complain about phantom travels. They don't want to understand, they just want something to be upset about

First, this new gather rule was implemented in 2018. Fine. But it is a shotty rule that is giving players more advantages over defenders to do things that were not ever done before.

As people have been saying for a LONG time that young posters refuse to listen to that the modern NBA is creating rules to help the offense. But the rhetoric will be is that players are "more skilled" and "more talented". You cannot claim more talent when in the past you got 1.5 to 2 steps but now players can get six steps. That is not more talented.

Just wait until 2028 when the NBA comes up with a new rule called, "Travel as much as you want. Pick the ball up and run with it. We call it...RUBGY!".......

Literally everyone has agreed that the NBA has been implementing rules to make offense easier. You're arguing with a wall right now.

Clearly, based on the NBA rules, that was not a travel. You can be mad about the rule if you want I don't really care.

[GiannisAnte34]

Where is the video of Maxey doing this? It's not a travel because the rules allow it

[Ice Man]

People talk all the time about scores being high because defenders aren't physical. That's not what I see, at all. The guys are smacking each other out there. But it's hard to defend players who are allowed to "dribble" while having their hands under the ball, while being permitted to take an extra step (or more) because of the gather interpretation. That is the real advantage that modern offenses have -- along with the 3 point shot.

[dhsilv2]

Gather stroll

That's a great way of putting it. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or disgusted but it was only 3 steps by my count. He really did manage a good 2 "strides" during his never ending "gather".

[dhsilv2]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

Watching it closer. He had control for that baby step, it was 3 steps. But yes...crazy good "gather" or "terrifying abuse of the game"

[dhsilv2]

This is the root of the problem. The rule is very clear, and the dudes stuck in the 90s refuse to accept it. They continuously complain about phantom travels. They don't want to understand, they just want something to be upset about

First, this new gather rule was implemented in 2018. Fine. But it is a shotty rule that is giving players more advantages over defenders to do things that were not ever done before.

As people have been saying for a LONG time that young posters refuse to listen to that the modern NBA is creating rules to help the offense. But the rhetoric will be is that players are "more skilled" and "more talented". You cannot claim more talent when in the past you got 1.5 to 2 steps but now players can get six steps. That is not more talented.

Just wait until 2028 when the NBA comes up with a new rule called, "Travel as much as you want. Pick the ball up and run with it. We call it...RUBGY!".......

Literally everyone has agreed that the NBA has been implementing rules to make offense easier. You're arguing with a wall right now.

Clearly, based on the NBA rules, that was not a travel. You can be mad about the rule if you want I don't really care.

The nba has clearly been implement rules to favor offense since the late 1970's.

But I will stand that watching closely, I'm pretty confident it was 3 steps and a travel. The ball was no longer spinning when he took that short step. That said...in real time I'd have missed it. This was hardly a terrible missed travel. It was a tough one to catch.

[lambchop]

So Reggie and the other 2 announcers were wrong in the live broadcast? Wonder why they didn't have to apologize to the audience for wrongly calling out Giannis for this alleged non-travel? Maybe a video will come out today explaining why it wasn't a blatant travel?

Yes, they were indeed wrong. The same applies here, Reggie calling this a travel is like me being unaware of the fact that 3 point shots exists and then complaining that the scorers table is adding an extra point on long distance shots.

I do expect mdw basketball to break down the play in the coming days.

Understanding what a 3pt shot is compared to understanding what Giannis did was not a travel isnt even close to being a similar comparison. If it were, then 95% of those in this thread wouldn't be calling it a travel. I'd love to see the breakdown. If you see it, then please post the link here.

Here's the breakdown with explanations. Check his channel for more content.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQZbs46kX7o/?igsh=ZnpjYjE4NzE2aDZs

I honestly agree with your opinion to extent. However, in my opinion, things like points, out of bounds, backcourt violation and travelling are part of essential basketball rules. Thus, 95% of should understand them. Obviously, the gather step added an additional layer of difficulty to this "basic" rule.

[CBS7]

People counting 5 or 6 steps don't know when steps start counting towards a travel.

[Bad Bart]

Yes, they were indeed wrong. The same applies here, Reggie calling this a travel is like me being unaware of the fact that 3 point shots exists and then complaining that the scorers table is adding an extra point on long distance shots.

I do expect mdw basketball to break down the play in the coming days.

Understanding what a 3pt shot is compared to understanding what Giannis did was not a travel isnt even close to being a similar comparison. If it were, then 95% of those in this thread wouldn't be calling it a travel. I'd love to see the breakdown. If you see it, then please post the link here.

Here's the breakdown with explanations. Check his channel for more content.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQZbs46kX7o/?igsh=ZnpjYjE4NzE2aDZs

I honestly agree with your opinion to extent. However, in my opinion, things like points, out of bounds, backcourt violation and travelling are part of essential basketball rules. Thus, 95% of should understand them. Obviously, the gather step added an additional layer of difficulty to this "basic" rule.

Thank you for this, very interesting explanation.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, this was clearly a blatant travel, "loose modern rules" or not. Unlike all the other millions of times that opposing fans whine about Giannis travelling when in reality he just covers an insane amount of ground with his length and gather/euro-step.