What do we make of the Washington Wizards Rebuild so far?

[jasonxxx102]

bro i am actually dead right now

3 other people are asking for the years, the context, he's posting NAMELESS YEARLESS STATS. Somehow he's acknowledged their posts without even answering the easiest question

Person asks if rookie year X player was better than rookie year Y player.

I post a screenshot showing a collection of AIO metrics where 1 player column is clearly better than the other.

It shouldn't take a genius to figure it out. You've already proved that you're too emotional to talk about this topic anyways

[prime1time]

One of these things is not like the other

You literally did the same thing here. What year are these stats from for Chet. Chet's first season he was 21. You're comparing 21 year old Chet to 19 year old Sarr and trashing him. This is weird behavior bro.

I'm comparing their rookie seasons, because that's what normal people do. I could put any year here and like I said it wouldn't matter. \

The numbers and facts clearly don't matter to you. You're so emotional right now, take a step back and think about what you're even mad about in the first place.

I never called Sarr trash like you seem to think. I simply shared a statistical comparison between the players that YOU and the other guy brought up.

If anything be mad at yourself for making a dumb comparison

If it's normal to compare a 21 year old rookie to a 19 year old rookie devoid of context then it is also normal for that to be called out lol.

[jasonxxx102]

You literally did the same thing here. What year are these stats from for Chet. Chet's first season he was 21. You're comparing 21 year old Chet to 19 year old Sarr and trashing him. This is weird behavior bro.

I'm comparing their rookie seasons, because that's what normal people do. I could put any year here and like I said it wouldn't matter. \

The numbers and facts clearly don't matter to you. You're so emotional right now, take a step back and think about what you're even mad about in the first place.

I never called Sarr trash like you seem to think. I simply shared a statistical comparison between the players that YOU and the other guy brought up.

If anything be mad at yourself for making a dumb comparison

If it's normal to compare a 21 year old rookie to a 19 year old rookie devoid of context then it is also normal for that to be called out lol.

you're so desperate to find an angle here that doesn't exist.

You tried with Chet, that didn't work so you moved on to rookie year Bam thinking you had an easy victory by looking at the box scores, that didn't work so now you're just ranting about age.

Next you'll be telling me about moon cycles and horoscopes

[AFM]

He's right though. No one would compare a 21 year old rookie to a 19 year old. It's why 4 year college players are never drafted in the lottery even if they have incredible college careers.

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[Saints14]

They've got to feel pretty encouraged with Sarr and George so far this year, and Tre Johnson has had a decent start. Even if Carrington doesn't work out those 3 look like good potential building blocks, plus a likely high pick in 2026. If I'm a Wizards fan I'm feeling pretty good

[MrBigShot]

They are in a 100x better position than they were 2 years ago. Tre Johnson looks like a stud. Sarr is looking good to start the year.

[dbrog24]

Watched the OT game against the 76ers and well...there's a lot to cleanup for the Wiz. Carrington can't be out there playing nearly the whole game when he is a net-negative. His turnovers, fouls, and bad game management cost the Wiz an easy dub.

Beyond that, Sarr isn't there yet. His stats may have looked great, but he should have had about 5 more boards if he had the fundamentals of boxing out. He constantly is roaming in the paint on D instead of bodying up when the ball is in the air and lets people like Maxey steal boards from him..it's embarassing. He made some strange moves on offense too. There were instances where he actually beat his guy but then went back to posting up. There's an aggression towards the rim he will need to figure out if he hopes to be successful in this league (which could be said for a bunch of the Wiz. I was clawing my eyes out with the amount of times they had an easy layup and passed out to 3...BAD fundamentals). There's a reason Bona looked like a superstar on Defense vs this soft paint play

Kyshawn George actually is the antithesis of everything I mentioned. He looks so fluid out there and seems to have great fundamentals. His shot selection is suspect at times, which is to be expected from a young dude, but his form looks great. He's probably the best passer on the Wiz too that I saw from that game.

Bagley strangely looked good too. I know he's been kind of forgotten in this league since his Kings days, but I think there's an opportunity to carve out a "dirty work" role on this team that they desperately need. Most other Wiz players I saw just were looking to score for themselves (several instances where they could have passed off for a WIDE OPEN dunk to teammates but instead tried to draw fouls)

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is these Wizards are going to need a strong teacher in order for them to develop into something cohesive because right now, it's a mess. There is no denying the talent is there though

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think they've done just about everything right, up until now, including hitting on multiple picks in the very underrated 2024 draft. Now I'm concerned because the only thing worse than losing while CJ and Middleton play a combined 70 minutes is winning with them playing a combined 70 minutes and it does appear that they're trying to win games. This is the draft class you should be tanking hard for. And you don't have to do much except give those minutes to their young guys instead. The tanking would be organic. Winning meaningless games after doing everything right up until now seems very suspect to me. Like a league mandated thing because they don't want one of the top 3 likely superstars to land in Washington kinda suspect. I hope for their sakes I'm wrong but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm right.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I like what they're doing. They have some interesting young pieces with Johnson, George, Sarr, Bilal, Whitmore, Carrington, Riley, Kispert-they could REALLY use a stud at PF in this draft-Boozer would be a great fit. I could see them being a good team in 2 years, with TONS of cap space. They also have tons of swaps on 1sts coming up (many complicated-not sure of their value) and all their picks (unless they are not bottom 8 this year, then their 1st goes to NY). They just need time, and some lotto luck

Theyve had alot of time and some decent lotto luck but still have had no results. Unless by lotto luck you mean picking the right players with their picks. I dont agree though thats all luck, theyve had a top 10 pick in each of the last 4 years.

The current management did not run the show when the Wizards drafted Johnny Davis.

The current management has had 3 drafts:

In 2023, they drafted Bilal at #7. The next 8 guys drafted were: Jarace Wallker, Taylor Hendricks, Cason Wallace, Jett Howard, Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, and Kobe Bufkin. I'm satisfied with the pick. Lively and Wallace may pan out a little better but that's not yet certain. Bilal is an elite defender with a suspect shot. But at his age and with his 80% FT%, I think the 3-ball is likely to improve.

In 2024, they drafted Sarr at #2 in a horrible draft. The next 8 guys were: Sheppard, Castle, Holland, Salaun, Clingan, Dillingham and Edey. I think they have the best guy over the long term. Maybe Castle is better, we shall see. But either way, it's not a bad pick at all. It's just a bad draft.

They drafted Bub Carrington at #14, missing out on Ware and McCain, but the next guys were Knecht, Da Silva, JaKobe Walter, Tyson and Missi. The jury is out, but it looks like it wasn't a great pick. Bub did make 2nd team all-rookie, so there's that.

They drafted Kyshawn George at #24 which looks like a home run. The best value pick in the draft and maybe will be the best player in the draft.

In 2025, the drafted Tre Johnson at #6, I guy who was projected in the top 5 for the entire draft cycle. It looks like a good pick to me. They then drafted Will Riley at #21 and the team is very excited about him. It's too soon to tell much on this draft though.

You can't control your lotto luck, but you do control who you draft. And so far, the new Wizards management has done pretty well.

people are still pushing this laughable narrative? No draft class with Sarr, McCain, Risacher, Castle, George, Buzelis, Clingan, Collier, Ware, Knecht, Dunn, Mitchell, Wells, etc is "awful" It's a young class with many of the other guys landing in poor situations (Holland in DET, Dillingham in MN, Reed in HOU) but when the dust settles the draft "experts" and those that regurgitate them will have to admit how wrong they were about this draft class though I won't hold my breath because I'm sure they'll move the goalposts like usual.

[jasonxxx102]

Theyve had alot of time and some decent lotto luck but still have had no results. Unless by lotto luck you mean picking the right players with their picks. I dont agree though thats all luck, theyve had a top 10 pick in each of the last 4 years.

The current management did not run the show when the Wizards drafted Johnny Davis.

The current management has had 3 drafts:

In 2023, they drafted Bilal at #7. The next 8 guys drafted were: Jarace Wallker, Taylor Hendricks, Cason Wallace, Jett Howard, Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, and Kobe Bufkin. I'm satisfied with the pick. Lively and Wallace may pan out a little better but that's not yet certain. Bilal is an elite defender with a suspect shot. But at his age and with his 80% FT%, I think the 3-ball is likely to improve.

In 2024, they drafted Sarr at #2 in a horrible draft. The next 8 guys were: Sheppard, Castle, Holland, Salaun, Clingan, Dillingham and Edey. I think they have the best guy over the long term. Maybe Castle is better, we shall see. But either way, it's not a bad pick at all. It's just a bad draft.

They drafted Bub Carrington at #14, missing out on Ware and McCain, but the next guys were Knecht, Da Silva, JaKobe Walter, Tyson and Missi. The jury is out, but it looks like it wasn't a great pick. Bub did make 2nd team all-rookie, so there's that.

They drafted Kyshawn George at #24 which looks like a home run. The best value pick in the draft and maybe will be the best player in the draft.

In 2025, the drafted Tre Johnson at #6, I guy who was projected in the top 5 for the entire draft cycle. It looks like a good pick to me. They then drafted Will Riley at #21 and the team is very excited about him. It's too soon to tell much on this draft though.

You can't control your lotto luck, but you do control who you draft. And so far, the new Wizards management has done pretty well.

people are still pushing this laughable narrative? No draft class with Sarr, McCain, Risacher, Castle, George, Buzelis, Clingan, Collier, Ware, Knecht, Dunn, Mitchell, Wells, etc is "awful" It's a young class with many of the other guys landing in poor situations (Holland in DET, Dillingham in MN, Reed in HOU) but when the dust settles the draft "experts" and those that regurgitate them will have to admit how wrong they were about this draft class though I won't hold my breath because I'm sure they'll move the goalposts like usual.

No way this dude really included Dalton Knecht in his list of draft talent lmao

[Godymas]

Theyve had alot of time and some decent lotto luck but still have had no results. Unless by lotto luck you mean picking the right players with their picks. I dont agree though thats all luck, theyve had a top 10 pick in each of the last 4 years.

The current management did not run the show when the Wizards drafted Johnny Davis.

The current management has had 3 drafts:

In 2023, they drafted Bilal at #7. The next 8 guys drafted were: Jarace Wallker, Taylor Hendricks, Cason Wallace, Jett Howard, Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, and Kobe Bufkin. I'm satisfied with the pick. Lively and Wallace may pan out a little better but that's not yet certain. Bilal is an elite defender with a suspect shot. But at his age and with his 80% FT%, I think the 3-ball is likely to improve.

In 2024, they drafted Sarr at #2 in a horrible draft. The next 8 guys were: Sheppard, Castle, Holland, Salaun, Clingan, Dillingham and Edey. I think they have the best guy over the long term. Maybe Castle is better, we shall see. But either way, it's not a bad pick at all. It's just a bad draft.

They drafted Bub Carrington at #14, missing out on Ware and McCain, but the next guys were Knecht, Da Silva, JaKobe Walter, Tyson and Missi. The jury is out, but it looks like it wasn't a great pick. Bub did make 2nd team all-rookie, so there's that.

They drafted Kyshawn George at #24 which looks like a home run. The best value pick in the draft and maybe will be the best player in the draft.

In 2025, the drafted Tre Johnson at #6, I guy who was projected in the top 5 for the entire draft cycle. It looks like a good pick to me. They then drafted Will Riley at #21 and the team is very excited about him. It's too soon to tell much on this draft though.

You can't control your lotto luck, but you do control who you draft. And so far, the new Wizards management has done pretty well.

people are still pushing this laughable narrative? No draft class with Sarr, McCain, Risacher, Castle, George, Buzelis, Clingan, Collier, Ware, Knecht, Dunn, Mitchell, Wells, etc is "awful" It's a young class with many of the other guys landing in poor situations (Holland in DET, Dillingham in MN, Reed in HOU) but when the dust settles the draft "experts" and those that regurgitate them will have to admit how wrong they were about this draft class though I won't hold my breath because I'm sure they'll move the goalposts like usual.

Knecht has already become unplayable btw

[infinite11285]

I doubt tickets to attend games will outprice parking at the arena anytime soon.

I may be eating my words in a year or two.

[nate33]

people are still pushing this laughable narrative? No draft class with Sarr, McCain, Risacher, Castle, George, Buzelis, Clingan, Collier, Ware, Knecht, Dunn, Mitchell, Wells, etc is "awful" It's a young class with many of the other guys landing in poor situations (Holland in DET, Dillingham in MN, Reed in HOU) but when the dust settles the draft "experts" and those that regurgitate them will have to admit how wrong they were about this draft class though I won't hold my breath because I'm sure they'll move the goalposts like usual.

How many All-NBA players do you think will come out of this draft? My guess is zero, unless maybe Sarr makes it. Heck, it's entirely possible that nobody from that draft even makes an All-Star game.

Compare that to All-NBA players from other drafts:
2017 had 3 (Tatum, Mitchell, Fox)
2018 had 4 (Luka, Trae, Shae, Brunson)
2019 had 1 (Morant. Zion would have made it if not for injuries.)
2020 had 2 plus maybe 2 more in the future (Edwards, Haliburton. Maxey and Ball have a chance)
2021 had 2 plus maybe 3 more in the future (Cade and Mobley. Sengun, Wagner and Jalen Johnson have a chance)
2022 has 1 plus 2 strong possibilities (Jalen Willams, plus maybe Chet and Paulo. Guys like Mathurin and Daniels are long shots.)
2023 has 1 plus 1 strong possibility (Wemby. Plus maybe Amen. Nobody else seems likely, but it's early to completely rule guys out.)

There may be some solid role players in the 2024 draft, but the point of my post was that the Wizards have had minimal opportunities to draft a franchise-changing star in the last few drafts.

[ValvPiti]

Surprised you'd say that, Nate. Wiz have two of the three best players from that draft who have progressed tremendously well, and the last one is Buz. If you think guys like Wagner and Johnson can make it, why cant KG and Buz? Its early season 2 and these guys are taking massive leaps and are playing huge, leading roles on their teams.

[Bad Bart]

people are still pushing this laughable narrative? No draft class with Sarr, McCain, Risacher, Castle, George, Buzelis, Clingan, Collier, Ware, Knecht, Dunn, Mitchell, Wells, etc is "awful" It's a young class with many of the other guys landing in poor situations (Holland in DET, Dillingham in MN, Reed in HOU) but when the dust settles the draft "experts" and those that regurgitate them will have to admit how wrong they were about this draft class though I won't hold my breath because I'm sure they'll move the goalposts like usual.

How many All-NBA players do you think will come out of this draft? My guess is zero, unless maybe Sarr makes it. Heck, it's entirely possible that nobody from that draft even makes an All-Star game.

Compare that to All-NBA players from other drafts:
2017 had 3 (Tatum, Mitchell, Fox)
2018 had 4 (Luka, Trae, Shae, Brunson)
2019 had 1 (Morant. Zion would have made it if not for injuries.)
2020 had 2 plus maybe 2 more in the future (Edwards, Haliburton. Maxey and Ball have a chance)
2021 had 2 plus maybe 3 more in the future (Cade and Mobley. Sengun, Wagner and Jalen Johnson have a chance)
2022 has 1 plus 2 strong possibilities (Jalen Willams, plus maybe Chet and Paulo. Guys like Mathurin and Daniels are long shots.)
2023 has 1 plus 1 strong possibility (Wemby. Plus maybe Amen. Nobody else seems likely, but it's early to completely rule guys out.)

There may be some solid role players in the 2024 draft, but the point of my post was that the Wizards have had minimal opportunities to draft a franchise-changing star in the last few drafts.

From the 2024 class, I would say Sarr and Buzelis have shown All-NBA upside already, and I think Risacher, George and Ware all have the talent to make it a possibility.

[CobraCommander]

You think so? I assumed the Wizard had plenty of time with the two of them. Kuzma has always been a liability to me.

Anyone thinking they gave up on Poole and Kuzma too soon has never watched basketball before

I thought it was a joke post. There's now way that's serious..

Kuz and Poole are the nbas current swaggy p - Would pick them if we at 24/hr fitness running pick up but wouldn’t want them on my nba team

[Jimmy Recard]

I like what we’re doing but the Deni trade still bugs me. Either the new management didn’t know what they had with him, or they did know and thought he’d hurt the tank. Either way they sold way too low. Doesn’t help that Bub has looked meh so far. A Deni/George/Sarr front court could have been special.

[Curmudgeon]

Alex Sarr is a stud. Haven't watched them alot, but the rest looks meh.

[doogie_hauser]

Alex Sarr is a stud. Haven't watched them alot, but the rest looks meh.

Tre Johnson and Kyshawn George are definite foundation pieces. Still very high on Bilal Coulibaly as well (who is only 21)

Bub Carrington may need a stint in the G League.

There is a lot of raw young talent on The Wiz, they just need time and maturity.

They do happily have plenty of cap space and draft capital to make some moves.

They are in fairly healthy shape going forwards really.