Let’s put the attention where it belongs, Weltman’s seat is red hot

[three3d]

We all hear the talk and see the reasons why Mosley is taking heat and can agree with a lot of what’s being said. But if Mosley is fired before Weltman is ran out of town it will be a shame and I think you’ll see a locker room divide that will shatter this young team.

I do think Paolo would get some if not most of the blame and he would/could be called a coach killer. All can’t be fine and well behind closed doors right now and possibly going back to last season. There are little things that don’t look or sound right. But we aren’t hearing about that because those guys love Mosley and despite his strategy’s or lack of them as far as in game stuff he’s a players coach and those guys are listening.

Weltman on the other hand, he’s not important to anything going on. He’s the name behind bad drafts and mortgaging the future by trading all draft assets in the Bane deal. Not to mention resigning players that are basically worthless to us currently. Weltman was a deadman walking who had to do something to save himself and that something as the Bane deal. It’s time to move on from Weltman and give Mosley this season to also learn from Prunty.

[Idiosyncratic]

There's a very real chance this time next year that Cedric Coward and whoever is taken with the Suns pick both INDIVIDUALLY have more trade value than Bane. And that still would leave another 1st.

Now I'm not saying we would rather have kept drafting rookies-- I think most agree we needed to try to win, but just take that for what you will. Can definitely debate if they overpaid (Suns pick ) or targeted the wrong player type or if they would have even needed such a drastic move had Welt been building properly beforehand.

Regardless, it really magnifies how much pressure there is to win with this roster. I'm nearly positive they will fire Mose first, but then Welt's seat would be very hot.

[eyriq]

I disagree. He inherited the Henigan turd, polished it, made the playoffs twice while proving the ceiling to a tank-averse ownership group and earned their buy-in for full tear down. No mean feats.

He's learned from his draft mistakes and has built a solid foundation on draft successes. Franz, Suggs, Paolo, AB, and TDS are all playing critical roles on a contending quality roster. Jase and Penda look like additional hits.

Jett is the one bust during this rebuild, evidence that Weltman can learn and adapt.

Going all-in on Bane was timed perfectly, sequenced with our core players entering their second contracts and early primes. He's also the perfect archetype to compliment them as one of the best volume three point shooters of all time.

He handled the political landmines that cratered the Henigan era, polished the Henigan turd of a build and sold it off to fuel this rebuild. He has this rebuild ahead of schedule.

I'm surprised he hasn't been extended yet.

[three3d]

There's a very real chance this time next year that Cedric Coward and whoever is taken with the Suns pick both INDIVIDUALLY have more trade value than Bane. And that still would leave another 1st.

Now I'm not saying we would rather have kept drafting rookies-- I think most agree we needed to try to win, but just take that for what you will. Can definitely debate if they overpaid (Suns pick ) or targeted the wrong player type or if they would have even needed such a drastic move had Welt been building properly beforehand.

Regardless, it really magnifies how much pressure there is to win with this roster. I'm nearly positive they will fire Mose first, but then Welt's seat would be very hot.

If Mosley is fired I don’t see how Paolo doesn’t get some of the blame.

[Flannerz]

I don't think his seat is hot yet. He's drafted Franz and Paolo, made the Bane trade so he can say we are in win now mode. If results carry on it will be Mose that will carry the can. Weltman will say he was the one to develop the young players but not get us to kick on. Only if that coach doesn't work out will Weltman's backside get hotter than mine after a vindaloo.

[GelbeWand09]

There's a very real chance this time next year that Cedric Coward and whoever is taken with the Suns pick both INDIVIDUALLY have more trade value than Bane. And that still would leave another 1st.

Now I'm not saying we would rather have kept drafting rookies-- I think most agree we needed to try to win, but just take that for what you will. Can definitely debate if they overpaid (Suns pick ) or targeted the wrong player type or if they would have even needed such a drastic move had Welt been building properly beforehand.

Regardless, it really magnifies how much pressure there is to win with this roster. I'm nearly positive they will fire Mose first, but then Welt's seat would be very hot.

In the end Weltman probably made the same mistake, which is pretty damning when you think about his position and availability of advanced metrics, like most random fans, that he thought 3point shooting is our biggest need. It is and always has been over this rebuild, someone who can control, organize a offense, tempo, collapse the defense and find open shooters... + shooting 3's.
Bane is a good player but he only adressed a few of our needs and when you go full in and pay so much assets, you do it for someone who solves more puzzles.
A 5 years younger Joe Ingles probably would solve more things for us than Bane tbh.

[Darth Magic]

Not the biggest Weltman fan but he did well this off-season. But I still think we need a real center and a scoring guard off the bench. He's got to get that done. The garbage on the floor is on the coach and no one but the coach. Weltman bought the groceries but Mose can't cook. If Moses continues to stink then Weltman has to find a replacement.

[three3d]

There's a very real chance this time next year that Cedric Coward and whoever is taken with the Suns pick both INDIVIDUALLY have more trade value than Bane. And that still would leave another 1st.

Now I'm not saying we would rather have kept drafting rookies-- I think most agree we needed to try to win, but just take that for what you will. Can definitely debate if they overpaid (Suns pick ) or targeted the wrong player type or if they would have even needed such a drastic move had Welt been building properly beforehand.

Regardless, it really magnifies how much pressure there is to win with this roster. I'm nearly positive they will fire Mose first, but then Welt's seat would be very hot.

In the end Weltman probably made the same mistake, which is pretty damning when you think about his position and availability of advanced metrics, like most random fans, that he thought 3point shooting is our biggest need. It is and always has been over this rebuild, someone who can control, organize a offense, tempo, collapse the defense and find open shooters... + shooting 3's.
Bane is a good player but he only adressed a few of our needs and when you go full in and pay so much assets, you do it for someone who solves more puzzles.
A 5 years younger Joe Ingles probably would solve more things for us than Bane tbh.

To fix the mess Weltman has created it’s going to cost us Paolo or Franz. There’s just no way around it, we are in a bad spot with the salary cap, we don’t have a point guard to run the offense and WCJ is not a center you can count on.

[Idiosyncratic]

In the end Weltman probably made the same mistake, which is pretty damning when you think about his position and availability of advanced metrics, like most random fans, that he thought 3point shooting is our biggest need. It is and always has been over this rebuild, someone who can control, organize a offense, tempo, collapse the defense and find open shooters... + shooting 3's.
Bane is a good player but he only adressed a few of our needs and when you go full in and pay so much assets, you do it for someone who solves more puzzles.
A 5 years younger Joe Ingles probably would solve more things for us than Bane tbh.

I do mostly agree. I personally do think it was an overpay to get Bane, just protect the Suns swap at least. I do like that Bane isn't super expensive and is under team control for 4 years. But agree not the ideal player fit. I don't know if Welt thought he was or just felt pressured to do something big and Bane was the best available. I don't really know, but it's what we have now.

I also still do think there is some combination of what we have that will still be a very good team. They gotta find what works. They gotta get Paolo to play like a team player. There is a good team somewhere within our roster IMO, Mose has to figure it out. Now is it a title contending team? Definitely a different debate, but they gotta work on getting to competent first.

[three3d]

In the end Weltman probably made the same mistake, which is pretty damning when you think about his position and availability of advanced metrics, like most random fans, that he thought 3point shooting is our biggest need. It is and always has been over this rebuild, someone who can control, organize a offense, tempo, collapse the defense and find open shooters... + shooting 3's.
Bane is a good player but he only adressed a few of our needs and when you go full in and pay so much assets, you do it for someone who solves more puzzles.
A 5 years younger Joe Ingles probably would solve more things for us than Bane tbh.

I do mostly agree. I personally do think it was an overpay to get Bane, just protect the Suns swap at least. I do like that Bane isn't super expensive and is under team control for 4 years. But agree not the ideal player fit. I don't know if Welt thought he was or just felt pressured to do something big and Bane was the best available. I don't really know, but it's what we have now.

I also still do think there is some combination of what we have that will still be a very good team. They gotta find what works.

They gotta get Paolo to play like a team player.

There is a good team somewhere within our roster IMO, Mose has to figure it out. Now is it a title contending team? Definitely a different debate, but they gotta work on getting to competent first.

Getting Paolo to play like a team player is why if Mosley is fired I see a divide in the locker room.

[AdamTheGreek]

Jeff’s striking out in half/most of his drafts is a problem.

With that said, this won’t be a serious topic until Mosley gets scapegoated.

[three3d]

Jeff’s striking out in half/most of his drafts is a problem.

With that said, this won’t be a serious topic until Mosley gets scapegoated.

Would you imagine they’d make that decision to dismiss Mosley WITHOUT talking to Paolo and Franz first?

[cedric76]

Silly thread, Jeff had a great summer, why would he be on the hot seat? just dumb

[zaymon]

There's a very real chance this time next year that Cedric Coward and whoever is taken with the Suns pick both INDIVIDUALLY have more trade value than Bane. And that still would leave another 1st.

Now I'm not saying we would rather have kept drafting rookies-- I think most agree we needed to try to win, but just take that for what you will. Can definitely debate if they overpaid (Suns pick ) or targeted the wrong player type or if they would have even needed such a drastic move had Welt been building properly beforehand.

Regardless, it really magnifies how much pressure there is to win with this roster. I'm nearly positive they will fire Mose first, but then Welt's seat would be very hot.

In the end Weltman probably made the same mistake, which is pretty damning when you think about his position and availability of advanced metrics, like most random fans, that he thought 3point shooting is our biggest need. It is and always has been over this rebuild, someone who can control, organize a offense, tempo, collapse the defense and find open shooters... + shooting 3's.
Bane is a good player but he only adressed a few of our needs and when you go full in and pay so much assets, you do it for someone who solves more puzzles.
A 5 years younger Joe Ingles probably would solve more things for us than Bane tbh.

To fix the mess Weltman has created it’s going to cost us Paolo or Franz. There’s just no way around it, we are in a bad spot with the salary cap, we don’t have a point guard to run the offense and WCJ is not a center you can count on.

I think you guys summed it up the best. I like Bane a lot but he was not on my radar at all becouse i thought we needed a PG. I have no idea what made Weltman think Suggs can run the offense(or Banchero for that matter).
Boston had 2 PGs when winning championship we have none.
It will be near impossible to balance the roster without trading one or two of Bane/Suggs and Paolo/Franz.
I said i want to wait until Weltman makes his move to judge him. Now it looks like he brought a player i like but in the role i dont like. Life cant be easy

[three3d]

Silly thread, Jeff had a great summer, why would he be on the hot seat? just dumb

dumb ? Can you please remind me of who you compared Jet Howard to…?

[Knightro]

Jeff’s striking out in half/most of his drafts is a problem.

With that said, this won’t be a serious topic until Mosley gets scapegoated.

100%.

Fair or unfair, Mosley will go before Weltman goes.

[Knightro]

Jeff’s striking out in half/most of his drafts is a problem.

With that said, this won’t be a serious topic until Mosley gets scapegoated.

Would you imagine they’d make that decision to dismiss Mosley WITHOUT talking to Paolo and Franz first?

Yes.

This is a business and these guys know that.

If the front office/ownership thinks the coaching staff isn't cutting it, then changes will be made independent of what the players think about Mosley personally.

They're all in. They're in the tax right now and looking like they'll be DEEP into the tax moving forward. Unfortunately for Mosley, the days of giving him an entire season to figure it out are pretty much gone. If they get into January and are still really struggling, he's going to get fired and should.

They can't chalk this season up as a loss at any point. They have to push forward and try and succeed as much as they possibly can.

[RichCollab]

Coach before GM makes sense.

Mosley is top of the list at the moment.

[AdamTheGreek]

Jeff’s striking out in half/most of his drafts is a problem.

With that said, this won’t be a serious topic until Mosley gets scapegoated.

Would you imagine they’d make that decision to dismiss Mosley WITHOUT talking to Paolo and Franz first?

They both would have input. Yes.

I think one of the underrated things some folks didn’t notice is how much closer Paolo and Franz got last season (and their families). Those two are on the same page.

[fateis007]

Sorry but I am not shifting the blame from Mosley. Dude has plenty of talent to work with, his offense is just insanely bad, or lack their of.
Besides some weak picks, (and under trading/overtrading) which I agree on, he drafted 2 guys averaging 25/5/5+ that no major media and most fans even considered (except me, I made draft the Paolo thread ). And I have super high hopes for Jase. And let's be honest, if JI wasn't riddled with injuries, he would be top 3 DPY, night after night. We just struck out with his health.

Be glad we are not sitting with Jabari Smith, Bouknight (or Moody), which were the consensus picks over Franz and Paolo.