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BlacJacMac wrote:Klomp wrote:Dare I mention Tyus Jones as an option?
Its only 68 minutes, but he's off to a disastrous start - so he might be available. If we could flip Miller for him, it would be great.
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Holy crap. I didn't realize Tyus is making 7M...
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Devilzsidewalk wrote:What about Dillingham and Lenny Miller for Anthony Black? There were reports Minnesota had interest in him pre-draft. His size is way more along the lines of what Finch likes. His defense is legit, but the big PG thoughts have evolved into more of a combo guard at best.
why for Orlando: They've got a lot of money locked up already, and Black's extension is looming. This would extend their financial timeline while returning an intriguing prospect and so they maintain more financial flexibility. I think this would be the main reasoning for them by far - some reprehension about committing even more money and locking themselves down into a team that has yet to take that next leap.
why NOT for Orlando: Black's size gives them lineup versatility and can play with other Point guards. And he's shown a high enough floor that he can fill in for Suggs if he gets injured again. Dillingham is an unknown and can't pair with Tyus for example.
why for MN: they get a viable long-term PG prospect that doesn't sacrifice their defensive expectations. He's shown some signs that he might develop into a solid off-ball floor spacer too.
why NOT for MN: while they'll regain some financial flexibility with Conley coming off the books, they still have to figure out Jaylen Clark's future and also replace almost the entire bottom half of the roster, so there'd be some financial questions to work though on extending Black. Also the risk of trading low-floor / high-ceilng for high-floor / low-ceiling. You'd have to consider the possibility that we're looking back and heavily regretting this move 5 years from now. If Rob is a star and Black has settled into a Delon Wright type, then that's the type of stuff that can force your star player out. Though Black is only 21 and already playable, so maybe his ceiling has more potential than we know.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Devilzsidewalk wrote:What about Dillingham and Lenny Miller for Anthony Black? There were reports Minnesota had interest in him pre-draft. His size is way more along the lines of what Finch likes. His defense is legit, but the big PG thoughts have evolved into more of a combo guard at best.
why for Orlando: They've got a lot of money locked up already, and Black's extension is looming. This would extend their financial timeline while returning an intriguing prospect and so they maintain more financial flexibility. I think this would be the main reasoning for them by far - some reprehension about committing even more money and locking themselves down into a team that has yet to take that next leap.
why NOT for Orlando: Black's size gives them lineup versatility and can play with other Point guards. And he's shown a high enough floor that he can fill in for Suggs if he gets injured again. Dillingham is an unknown and can't pair with Tyus for example.
why for MN: they get a viable long-term PG prospect that doesn't sacrifice their defensive expectations. He's shown some signs that he might develop into a solid off-ball floor spacer too.
why NOT for MN: while they'll regain some financial flexibility with Conley coming off the books, they still have to figure out Jaylen Clark's future and also replace almost the entire bottom half of the roster, so there'd be some financial questions to work though on extending Black. Also the risk of trading low-floor / high-ceilng for high-floor / low-ceiling. You'd have to consider the possibility that we're looking back and heavily regretting this move 5 years from now. If Rob is a star and Black has settled into a Delon Wright type, then that's the type of stuff that can force your star player out. Though Black is only 21 and already playable, so maybe his ceiling has more potential than we know.
Klomp wrote:Devilzsidewalk wrote:What about Dillingham and Lenny Miller for Anthony Black? There were reports Minnesota had interest in him pre-draft. His size is way more along the lines of what Finch likes. His defense is legit, but the big PG thoughts have evolved into more of a combo guard at best.
why for Orlando: They've got a lot of money locked up already, and Black's extension is looming. This would extend their financial timeline while returning an intriguing prospect and so they maintain more financial flexibility. I think this would be the main reasoning for them by far - some reprehension about committing even more money and locking themselves down into a team that has yet to take that next leap.
why NOT for Orlando: Black's size gives them lineup versatility and can play with other Point guards. And he's shown a high enough floor that he can fill in for Suggs if he gets injured again. Dillingham is an unknown and can't pair with Tyus for example.
why for MN: they get a viable long-term PG prospect that doesn't sacrifice their defensive expectations. He's shown some signs that he might develop into a solid off-ball floor spacer too.
why NOT for MN: while they'll regain some financial flexibility with Conley coming off the books, they still have to figure out Jaylen Clark's future and also replace almost the entire bottom half of the roster, so there'd be some financial questions to work though on extending Black. Also the risk of trading low-floor / high-ceilng for high-floor / low-ceiling. You'd have to consider the possibility that we're looking back and heavily regretting this move 5 years from now. If Rob is a star and Black has settled into a Delon Wright type, then that's the type of stuff that can force your star player out. Though Black is only 21 and already playable, so maybe his ceiling has more potential than we know.
I like this for both teams.
Devilzsidewalk wrote:What about Dillingham and Lenny Miller for Anthony Black? There were reports Minnesota had interest in him pre-draft. His size is way more along the lines of what Finch likes. His defense is legit, but the big PG thoughts have evolved into more of a combo guard at best.
why for Orlando: They've got a lot of money locked up already, and Black's extension is looming. This would extend their financial timeline while returning an intriguing prospect and so they maintain more financial flexibility. I think this would be the main reasoning for them by far - some reprehension about committing even more money and locking themselves down into a team that has yet to take that next leap.
why NOT for Orlando: Black's size gives them lineup versatility and can play with other Point guards. And he's shown a high enough floor that he can fill in for Suggs if he gets injured again. Dillingham is an unknown and can't pair with Tyus for example.
why for MN: they get a viable long-term PG prospect that doesn't sacrifice their defensive expectations. He's shown some signs that he might develop into a solid off-ball floor spacer too.
why NOT for MN: while they'll regain some financial flexibility with Conley coming off the books, they still have to figure out Jaylen Clark's future and also replace almost the entire bottom half of the roster, so there'd be some financial questions to work though on extending Black. Also the risk of trading low-floor / high-ceilng for high-floor / low-ceiling. You'd have to consider the possibility that we're looking back and heavily regretting this move 5 years from now. If Rob is a star and Black has settled into a Delon Wright type, then that's the type of stuff that can force your star player out. Though Black is only 21 and already playable, so maybe his ceiling has more potential than we know.
BlacJacMac wrote:Devilzsidewalk wrote:What about Dillingham and Lenny Miller for Anthony Black? There were reports Minnesota had interest in him pre-draft. His size is way more along the lines of what Finch likes. His defense is legit, but the big PG thoughts have evolved into more of a combo guard at best.
why for Orlando: They've got a lot of money locked up already, and Black's extension is looming. This would extend their financial timeline while returning an intriguing prospect and so they maintain more financial flexibility. I think this would be the main reasoning for them by far - some reprehension about committing even more money and locking themselves down into a team that has yet to take that next leap.
why NOT for Orlando: Black's size gives them lineup versatility and can play with other Point guards. And he's shown a high enough floor that he can fill in for Suggs if he gets injured again. Dillingham is an unknown and can't pair with Tyus for example.
why for MN: they get a viable long-term PG prospect that doesn't sacrifice their defensive expectations. He's shown some signs that he might develop into a solid off-ball floor spacer too.
why NOT for MN: while they'll regain some financial flexibility with Conley coming off the books, they still have to figure out Jaylen Clark's future and also replace almost the entire bottom half of the roster, so there'd be some financial questions to work though on extending Black. Also the risk of trading low-floor / high-ceilng for high-floor / low-ceiling. You'd have to consider the possibility that we're looking back and heavily regretting this move 5 years from now. If Rob is a star and Black has settled into a Delon Wright type, then that's the type of stuff that can force your star player out. Though Black is only 21 and already playable, so maybe his ceiling has more potential than we know.
I would do this one.
I think another NOT for Orlando would be Jase Richardson. He's probably a combo guard, but it sounds like they want to give him every chance to see if he can play PG.
Can you develop Richardson and Dilly simultaneously?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:Honestly, I might be shifting from the next big move being Julius to the next big move being Rudy....
gandlogo wrote:Klomp wrote:Honestly, I might be shifting from the next big move being Julius to the next big move being Rudy....
Welcome. A lot of us have wanted Gobert gone since 7/6/22.
Gobert and Ingles to Orlando for Black, Isaac, and Bitadze. Or something like it.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:Gobert and DiVincenzo for Markkanen
Abandon any semblance of defensive identity you're holding on to, and instead build around the team's offensive pieces in a five-out system.
Klomp wrote:Honestly, I might be shifting from the next big move being Julius to the next big move being Rudy....
Neeva wrote:Klomp wrote:Honestly, I might be shifting from the next big move being Julius to the next big move being Rudy....
Why? Julius has been outplaying KAT except for rebounding and his contract is a steal compared to KAT
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
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