RS 25/26 - Mavs vs Pacers (Wed, 8:30 PM EST)

[41Dirk41]

Lively is a C, who was drafted as a very good fit with Luka. He's horrible fit with AD.

Agree.

With one move they detroyed a Finals team, lost the fanbase ( but not in Mr B bar sport), reset the trade value of every player and ruin the ROY for Coop. Impressive. Very impressive.

I think Mr.B came around at this point, not sure it's fair to constantly poke at him But Mavs are now even in a legal battle with the Stars about the arena lol... This franchise has become cursed since new owners took over.

These are some quotes from fans on reddit..

After the whole Luka fiasco, the Mavs don’t have the City’s love like they think they do.
I’ve lived in Dallas my whole life. Mavs can **** off. There is nothing redeeming left in that ownership.


I moved back to Dallas to take care of my grandma. I literally bought my house in a location to be close to her and close to the green line to go to mavs games.
I cannot explain how much I loathe this ownership.


And many more followed by a lot of likes under those comments. So it's clear as a day it's not exactly like Mr.B was saying that people like Nico in Dallas now. But again, i think it's not fair towards him since we all know the truth.

He mocked me a lot because he lives in Dallas area, i just kidding a little bit

[daoneandonly]

Lively is a C, who was drafted as a very good fit with Luka. He's horrible fit with AD.

Agree.

With one move they detroyed a Finals team, lost the fanbase ( but not in Mr B bar sport), reset the trade value of every player and ruin the ROY for Coop. Impressive. Very impressive.

I think Mr.B came around at this point, not sure it's fair to constantly poke at him But Mavs are now even in a legal battle with the Stars about the arena lol... This franchise has become cursed since new owners took over.

These are some quotes from fans on reddit..

After the whole Luka fiasco, the Mavs don’t have the City’s love like they think they do.
I’ve lived in Dallas my whole life. Mavs can **** off. There is nothing redeeming left in that ownership.


I moved back to Dallas to take care of my grandma. I literally bought my house in a location to be close to her and close to the green line to go to mavs games.
I cannot explain how much I loathe this ownership.


And many more followed by a lot of likes under those comments. So it's clear as a day it's not exactly like Mr.B was saying that people like Nico in Dallas now. But again, i think it's not fair towards him since we all know the truth.

When you say truth Arch, what do you mean? That the trade wasnt Nico's idea, but ownership? Maybe they didnt want to pay Luka not trusting in conditioning, but still, there is no reason not to open up trade talks with the entire league. The LA for AD option would be one of the worst offers if there was a true auction.

[daoneandonly]

Any interest in Quickly?

Overpaid my a big margin and a terrible fit with Ky

[Archx]

Agree.

With one move they detroyed a Finals team, lost the fanbase ( but not in Mr B bar sport), reset the trade value of every player and ruin the ROY for Coop. Impressive. Very impressive.

I think Mr.B came around at this point, not sure it's fair to constantly poke at him But Mavs are now even in a legal battle with the Stars about the arena lol... This franchise has become cursed since new owners took over.

These are some quotes from fans on reddit..

After the whole Luka fiasco, the Mavs don’t have the City’s love like they think they do.
I’ve lived in Dallas my whole life. Mavs can **** off. There is nothing redeeming left in that ownership.


I moved back to Dallas to take care of my grandma. I literally bought my house in a location to be close to her and close to the green line to go to mavs games.
I cannot explain how much I loathe this ownership.


And many more followed by a lot of likes under those comments. So it's clear as a day it's not exactly like Mr.B was saying that people like Nico in Dallas now. But again, i think it's not fair towards him since we all know the truth.

When you say truth Arch, what do you mean? That the trade wasnt Nico's idea, but ownership? Maybe they didnt want to pay Luka not trusting in conditioning, but still, there is no reason not to open up trade talks with the entire league. The LA for AD option would be one of the worst offers if there was a true auction.

Oh, i meant that we know by now that fans in Dallas do not like Nico unlike what the other poster claimed during the off season. Obviously there are fans in Dallas who will simply agree no matter what the ownership does (as it is in any sport or any town) but from what i read and see, i'm comfortable saying that most Dallas residents who are also Mavs fans, actually dislike Nico and Adelsons by a lot.

[daoneandonly]

I think Mr.B came around at this point, not sure it's fair to constantly poke at him But Mavs are now even in a legal battle with the Stars about the arena lol... This franchise has become cursed since new owners took over.

These are some quotes from fans on reddit..

After the whole Luka fiasco, the Mavs don’t have the City’s love like they think they do.
I’ve lived in Dallas my whole life. Mavs can **** off. There is nothing redeeming left in that ownership.


I moved back to Dallas to take care of my grandma. I literally bought my house in a location to be close to her and close to the green line to go to mavs games.
I cannot explain how much I loathe this ownership.


And many more followed by a lot of likes under those comments. So it's clear as a day it's not exactly like Mr.B was saying that people like Nico in Dallas now. But again, i think it's not fair towards him since we all know the truth.

When you say truth Arch, what do you mean? That the trade wasnt Nico's idea, but ownership? Maybe they didnt want to pay Luka not trusting in conditioning, but still, there is no reason not to open up trade talks with the entire league. The LA for AD option would be one of the worst offers if there was a true auction.

Oh, i meant that we know by now that fans in Dallas do not like Nico unlike what the other poster claimed during the off season. Obviously there are fans in Dallas who will simply agree no matter what the ownership does (as it is in any sport or any town) but from what i read and see, i'm comfortable saying that most Dallas residents who are also Mavs fans, actually dislike Nico and Adelsons by a lot.

Yea Im a Mavs fan in the DC metro area, and I cant stand Nico and co. Though, I grew tired of Cuban and his moronic political endorsements as well

[41Dirk41]

Tonight Pacers without 6 rotations men... Must W.

I can immagine street clothes scream "i'm here now" after a dunk for +30 mavs... And after that goes out for an injury.

[Super Cooper]

The only help I can imagine is Jrue. Murray is out till January at least with Achilles.

Jrue is still an elite defender and is pass first when playing the point.

Would you do Gaff/Klay for Jrue?

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

[41Dirk41]

The only help I can imagine is Jrue. Murray is out till January at least with Achilles.

Jrue is still an elite defender and is pass first when playing the point.

Would you do Gaff/Klay for Jrue?

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

Yes, Jrue is clearly a realistic target... But i don't think Portland will trade him without at least 1 FRP. Maybe 2.

And Jrue& Kyrie is a very small pair of guards.

[daoneandonly]

The sad reality is the best action at this point is to start AD at the 5, and trade either Gaff or Lively for the best available guard.

And oh yea, tell Klay to kick rocks

[Darren]

Are the Mavs playing without Gafford and Lively with AD and Coop playing through pain again? It seems like a repeat of what has happened last season.

[Teffer10]

The only help I can imagine is Jrue. Murray is out till January at least with Achilles.

Jrue is still an elite defender and is pass first when playing the point.

Would you do Gaff/Klay for Jrue?

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

If we trade Gaff, I'd rather see it for someone or assets that fit Flagg's timeline.

[Archx]

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

For starters, Flagg would need to have much better handles and he won't magically develop them over night. The only saving grace for Kidd is a trade for a true PG or ride it out until Kyrie returns. Veterans that want to compete simply don't have time to wait for Flagg's development, no matter what they are publicly saying to the media. They are here to compete and win.

Weirdly enough, they have been much better with DLo at the point but the situation is so bad that not even DLo is a solution for this cluster mess. DLo, Klay, Hardy lineups are a defensive disaster, and on offense they don't have enough punch to propel this team forward. They might look good against lesser teams but against top tier teams they'll fold.

[Bob8]

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

For starters, Flagg would need to have much better handles and he won't magically develop them over night. The only saving grace for Kidd is a trade for a true PG or ride it out until Kyrie returns. Veterans that want to compete simply don't have time to wait for Flagg's development, no matter what they are publicly saying to the media. They are here to compete and win.

Weirdly enough, they have been much better with DLo at the point but the situation is so bad that not even DLo is a solution for this cluster mess. DLo, Klay, Hardy lineups are a defensive disaster, and on offense they don't have enough punch to propel this team forward. They might look good against lesser teams but against top tier teams they'll fold.

More or less all best Mavs lineups have Dlo in it. Difficult to look at 5 players lineup, because you have very small sample size there, but if you look at 3 players lineups you can see that lineups with the most minutes with Flagg are mostly disastrous and lineups with Dlo mostly very positive.

Majority of 3-players lineup with Hardy are also positive. You have only 2 negative lineups with Hardy, minimum 10 minutes, and in 1 of them he plays with Flagg. Flagg is playing in 15 different negative 3-players lineups. Which kinda says it all.

I know people don't want to hear that but Flagg, or better to say, how is he used by Kidd, is far the biggest Mavs problem at the moment.

The saddest part is, Flagg is not doing much on point, so it's pretty difficult to get much out of it.

For example, if we look at pick&roll ballhandler, Flagg has 3.3 poss per game with 0.23 PPP, which is 1.4 Percentile. Luka who has the most poss per game, 14.5 with 1.55 PPP, 100 percentile.

[Super Cooper]

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

For starters, Flagg would need to have much better handles and he won't magically develop them over night. The only saving grace for Kidd is a trade for a true PG or ride it out until Kyrie returns. Veterans that want to compete simply don't have time to wait for Flagg's development, no matter what they are publicly saying to the media. They are here to compete and win.

Weirdly enough, they have been much better with DLo at the point but the situation is so bad that not even DLo is a solution for this cluster mess. DLo, Klay, Hardy lineups are a defensive disaster, and on offense they don't have enough punch to propel this team forward. They might be ok good against lesser teams but against top tier teams they'll fold.

I agree about Cooper's handles. From Kidd's point of view, though, he's much more far along than Giannis was. I feel like this is going to be an ugly going with Cooper at PG.

Yes, it's day/night difference with a true PG. I was hoping Nemhard would get more burn. Yes, DLo, Klay, and Hardy need to be mutually exclusive on the court. You just can't make up for the double defensive lapses.

Klay can't start. He needs to come off the bench an d do nothing but catch and shoot.

[Bob8]

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

For starters, Flagg would need to have much better handles and he won't magically develop them over night. The only saving grace for Kidd is a trade for a true PG or ride it out until Kyrie returns. Veterans that want to compete simply don't have time to wait for Flagg's development, no matter what they are publicly saying to the media. They are here to compete and win.

Weirdly enough, they have been much better with DLo at the point but the situation is so bad that not even DLo is a solution for this cluster mess. DLo, Klay, Hardy lineups are a defensive disaster, and on offense they don't have enough punch to propel this team forward. They might be ok good against lesser teams but against top tier teams they'll fold.

I agree about Cooper's handles. From Kidd's point of view, though, he's much more far along than Giannis was. I feel like this is going to be an ugly going with Cooper at PG.

Yes, it's day/night difference with a true PG. I was hoping Nemhard would get more burn. Yes, DLo, Klay, and Hardy need to be mutually exclusive on the court. You just can't make up for the double defensive lapses.

Klay can't start. He needs to come off the bench an d do nothing but catch and shoot.

It's not only about handles, he can't run pick&roll at all. He couldn't play Pg in college and he will play Pg in Nba? Or better question, how many 6'9 players in history of Nba were Pgs? Mavs are trying to make Pg from him just because Luka was big Pg. But Luka was always playing Pg. He didn't learn that overnight.

[Super Cooper]

The only help I can imagine is Jrue. Murray is out till January at least with Achilles.

Jrue is still an elite defender and is pass first when playing the point.

Would you do Gaff/Klay for Jrue?

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

If we trade Gaff, I'd rather see it for someone or assets that fit Flagg's timeline.

I agree, but any move now would be for help right now.

[Archx]

If Kidd is truly grooming Cooper like he did Giannis, this is a moot point.

For starters, Flagg would need to have much better handles and he won't magically develop them over night. The only saving grace for Kidd is a trade for a true PG or ride it out until Kyrie returns. Veterans that want to compete simply don't have time to wait for Flagg's development, no matter what they are publicly saying to the media. They are here to compete and win.

Weirdly enough, they have been much better with DLo at the point but the situation is so bad that not even DLo is a solution for this cluster mess. DLo, Klay, Hardy lineups are a defensive disaster, and on offense they don't have enough punch to propel this team forward. They might be ok good against lesser teams but against top tier teams they'll fold.

I agree about Cooper's handles. From Kidd's point of view, though, he's much more far along than Giannis was. I feel like this is going to be an ugly going with Cooper at PG.

Yes, it's day/night difference with a true PG. I was hoping Nemhard would get more burn. Yes, DLo, Klay, and Hardy need to be mutually exclusive on the court. You just can't make up for the double defensive lapses.

Klay can't start. He needs to come off the bench an d do nothing but catch and shoot.

Yeah, i wonder how long will it take for Kidd to finally start Christie instead of Klay. Max is outplaying Klay by a wide margin right now, offense and specially defense.

[Maverick41]

Yeah, i wonder how long will it take for Kidd to finally start Christie instead of Klay. Max is outplaying Klay by a wide margin right now, offense and specially defense.

Christie really is and so far in this game, he is again. Klay's been absolutely abysmal on both ends. Christie and PJ have been our most consistent guys.

[Maverick41]

And AD is holding his leg injured again. Must be that achilles issue he had

[Archx]

And AD is holding his leg injured again. Must be that achilles issue he had

Hmm yeah it's weird. He started running then the pain came in.