Welcome Quentin Grimes!

[stormi]

IMO barring the unlikely event that Grimes will accept a long-term deal worth significantly less than what he is currently seeking, he is all but certain to leave next season via free agency. Thus his trade value will never be higher than it is now for us. I expect a significant reduction in his minutes once both McCain and PG return which will also diminish his value. What do you think he'd fetch right now?

Either Morey pays Grimes, or he swings a trade for someone that he will

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[M2J]

IMO barring the unlikely event that Grimes will accept a long-term deal worth significantly less than what he is currently seeking, he is all but certain to leave next season via free agency. Thus his trade value will never be higher than it is now for us. I expect a significant reduction in his minutes once both McCain and PG return which will also diminish his value. What do you think he'd fetch right now?

15 million at best...which is what many thought he'd sign for. 3 things.... Joel will start to take more shots and theyre not going to try and nerf VJ and this is now Maxey team obviously. I would expect the team to try and maximize Jared as well as he could end up being a better offensive player than VJ and is on a rookie deal. I mean the sixers can pay him more but anyone else. Plus give him an extra year which only benefits him. Maury has seen to have his finger on the pulse of what other teams are willing to pay his free agents.... So I don't doubt he has a plan. But really and truly VJ has taken over the role Grimes was expected to have for this team when fully healthy

[Phillybul]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

Unfair take saying he hasn’t proven he can contribute to winning. He's never been in position too. Small sample size this season but he has performed well while sixers have been winning. I’d say he’s contributing to wins. Grimes is a baller. And being a solid defender I think having Maxey/VJ/McCain can work given 3 guard lineups. This is me speaking just from a basketball standpoint. When we get into the salary talk that’s where it doesn’t work moreso for me. The one consistent thing said about Grimes prior to being in Philly is he works hard and just needs an opportunity. I like him but at his asking price? Not that much. But I’m not mad he wants to get paid.

[Wilfried]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

Unfair take saying he hasn’t proven he can contribute to winning. He's never been in position too. Small sample size this season but he has performed well while sixers have been winning. I’d say he’s contributing to wins. Grimes is a baller. And being a solid defender I think having Maxey/VJ/McCain can work given 3 guard lineups. This is me speaking just from a basketball standpoint. When we get into the salary talk that’s where it doesn’t work moreso for me. The one consistent thing said about Grimes prior to being in Philly is he works hard and just needs an opportunity. I like him but at his asking price? Not that much. But I’m not mad he wants to get paid.

And I think it's a bit unfair to quote me on something I wrote before the start of the season.
Our FO had to make a decision on Grimes before the season, not after a couple of games.

My point stays, at that moment he really hadn't proven himself as a winning player. Even now, I'm not really jumping the bandwagon. We won 4 games now, but maybe Maxey, VJ and Embiid had something to do with that too?
First and foremost, he's playing for his next paycheck (which we can take advantage off).

And the most important stuff stays:
- when PG and McCain come back, he's probably redundant (doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is a bad player) and certainly not worth going in the 2nd apron for
- Not a lot of teams thought he had big value this summer. That can handicap his trade value (if you would pay him a bigger contract)

So, still happy the situation is what it is. He's very eager to show himself, let's make the most out of it (by winning games and hopefully trade him later on for a good PF)

[Phillybul]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

Unfair take saying he hasn’t proven he can contribute to winning. He's never been in position too. Small sample size this season but he has performed well while sixers have been winning. I’d say he’s contributing to wins. Grimes is a baller. And being a solid defender I think having Maxey/VJ/McCain can work given 3 guard lineups. This is me speaking just from a basketball standpoint. When we get into the salary talk that’s where it doesn’t work moreso for me. The one consistent thing said about Grimes prior to being in Philly is he works hard and just needs an opportunity. I like him but at his asking price? Not that much. But I’m not mad he wants to get paid.

And I think it's a bit unfair to quote me on something I wrote before the start of the season.
Our FO had to make a decision on Grimes before the season, not after a couple of games.

My point stays, at that moment he really hadn't proven himself as a winning player. Even now, I'm not really jumping the bandwagon. We won 4 games now, but maybe Maxey, VJ and Embiid had something to do with that too?
First and foremost, he's playing for his next paycheck (which we can take advantage off).

And the most important stuff stays:
- when PG and McCain come back, he's probably redundant (doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is a bad player) and certainly not worth going in the 2nd apron for
- Not a lot of teams thought he had big value this summer. That can handicap his trade value (if you would pay him a bigger contract)

So, still happy the situation is what it is. He's very eager to show himself, let's make the most out of it (by winning games and hopefully trade him later on for a good PF)

I don’t think it matters imo when you made the “he hasn’t contributed to winning” comment. The fact is he’s never been in a situation to prove so. You didn’t even bother going him that much grace. And you’re kinda doubling down when you said you’re still not sold he contributes to winning given this season. Crediting other players for the wins. Especially embiid whose minutes are being managed (21mpg).

George can play 3 and 4. McCain can play 1 and 2. Grimes has flexibility to play 1-2-3. And it’s a very good chance George too will have his minutes monitored much like Embiid to an extent. Given he’s coming back from injury and how him rushing back last year hindered his effectiveness. Altho just me speculating what Sixers do. One thing the sixers ga e consistently been lackluster, average at best at? Bench production. A guy like grimes can contribute to making that bench stronger. He can counter any injuries to other starters. Or someone having a cold streak. But I don’t know how sixers will value him come trade deadline. I say keep him and ride this season out. He’s been consistently good since he has been here. Go sixers

[Wilfried]

I don’t think it matters imo when you made the “he hasn’t contributed to winning” comment. The fact is he’s never been in a situation to prove so. You didn’t even bother going him that much grace. And you’re kinda doubling down when you said you’re still not sold he contributes to winning given this season. Crediting other players for the wins. Especially embiid whose minutes are being managed (21mpg).

George can play 3 and 4. McCain can play 1 and 2. Grimes has flexibility to play 1-2-3. And it’s a very good chance George too will have his minutes monitored much like Embiid to an extent. Given he’s coming back from injury and how him rushing back last year hindered his effectiveness. Altho just me speculating what Sixers do. One thing the sixers ga e consistently been lackluster, average at best at? Bench production. A guy like grimes can contribute to making that bench stronger. He can counter any injuries to other starters. Or someone having a cold streak. But I don’t know how sixers will value him come trade deadline. I say keep him and ride this season out. He’s been consistently good since he has been here. Go sixers

Off course it matters because until now, Grimes has never proved to be a player that contributed to winning games.
Now he has a chance to prove something, but that's redundant because our FO had to decide this summer what to do.

I also said we won our last 4 games because of Maxey and VJ (not only Embiid). How many minutes did those guys play?
Those are 3 Allstar level players (VJ not really off course, but his impact atm is high), I feel that that does something for a team indeed. More than Grimes' impact fi, what doesn't mean he's not a good player and helps us win those games too.
Last season, we were without Maxey, George and Joel for the last 20-21 games I checked. Grimes was our main man than. We won 3 of those. Fair to say he hadn't proved himself as a winning type of player, which isn't a knock on him either. Just, you're deciding how much you have to pay that man.

You"re saying he didn't have the chance to prove himself as an impactplayer, I say he hasn't shown it. It's actually the same. But the fact is, there was no prove so he didn't get paid. It's that simple. And it was the right decision.

And because he hasn't proven yet to be that player that really impacts winning, they decided not to throw big money at him, which is off course the smartest thing. Other teams apparently valued him the same as the Sixers (and me?), because otherwise, he would have had his payday somewhere and wasn't here anymore.

You can ride him out, but Sixers don't have that much money to throw at him. On the other hand, he has a trade veto. But with McCain coming back (and PG), the minutes on guard and SF will diminish, so him veto'ing a trade to a team where he can get more exposure, would not be smart either?
Indeed interesting to see how this turns out.

I bet he's a FA this summer and Sixers will not retain him. Let's hope he has a ring by than

[Iverson Armband]

I don’t think it matters imo when you made the “he hasn’t contributed to winning” comment. The fact is he’s never been in a situation to prove so. You didn’t even bother going him that much grace. And you’re kinda doubling down when you said you’re still not sold he contributes to winning given this season. Crediting other players for the wins. Especially embiid whose minutes are being managed (21mpg).

George can play 3 and 4. McCain can play 1 and 2. Grimes has flexibility to play 1-2-3. And it’s a very good chance George too will have his minutes monitored much like Embiid to an extent. Given he’s coming back from injury and how him rushing back last year hindered his effectiveness. Altho just me speculating what Sixers do. One thing the sixers ga e consistently been lackluster, average at best at? Bench production. A guy like grimes can contribute to making that bench stronger. He can counter any injuries to other starters. Or someone having a cold streak. But I don’t know how sixers will value him come trade deadline. I say keep him and ride this season out. He’s been consistently good since he has been here. Go sixers

Off course it matters because until now, Grimes has never proved to be a player that contributed to winning games.
Now he has a chance to prove something, but that's redundant because our FO had to decide this summer what to do.

I also said we won our last 4 games because of Maxey and VJ (not only Embiid). How many minutes did those guys play?
Those are 3 Allstar level players (VJ not really off course, but his impact atm is high), I feel that that does something for a team indeed. More than Grimes' impact fi, what doesn't mean he's not a good player and helps us win those games too.
Last season, we were without Maxey, George and Joel for the last 20-21 games I checked. We won 3 of those.

You"re saying he didn't have the chance to prove himself as an impactplayer, I say he hasn't shown it. It's actually the same. But the fact is, there was no prove so he didn't get paid. It's that simple. And it was the right decision.

And because he hasn't proven yet to be that player that really impacts winning, they decided not to throw big money at him, which is off course the smartest thing. Other teams apparently valued him the same as the Sixers (and me?), because otherwise, he would have had his payday somewhere and wasn't here anymore.

You can ride him out, but Sixers don't have that much money to throw at him. On the other hand, he has a trade veto. But with McCain coming back (and PG), the minutes on guard and SF will diminish, so him veto'ing a trade to a team where he can get more exposure, would not be smart either?
Indeed interesting to see how this turns out.

I bet he's a FA this summer and Sixers will not retain him. Let's hope he has a ring by than

It’s very likely this team is 2-2 without Grimes. He is very crucial to this teams success now and in the future. Now, if he’s traded for a player at a less stacked position, that’s a different conversation but if they lose him for nothing that is a huge blow. Especially considering PG’s situation.

[the_process]

They have plenty of money for Grimes... assuming they do the right thing and move off Embiid and/or George.

They have Bird rights on Grimes so they could also just go over the 2nd apron for a year and then deal PG as an expiring to get back under.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't want us to trade Grimes. Assuming we were to (via his approval), the return damn well better be worth it. I'm talking a three way deal where Grimes goes to Houston, a player from Houston goes to Utah, and we end up with either Walker Kessler or Lauri. At this point, I'd prefer Kessler because he gives us everything we are missing from a big man at this time. An Embiid/Kessler pairing would put to bed any issues we had at the center position, our defense and rebounding would improve dramatically, and it would allow our guards to be even better. Right now, Kessler is the only REALISTIC option I would trade Grimes for. Otherwise we need to just hold onto him because he's been playing great for us on both ends so far.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

They have plenty of money for Grimes... assuming they do the right thing and move off Embiid and/or George.

They have Bird rights on Grimes so they could also just go over the 2nd apron for a year and then deal PG as an expiring to get back under.

How are they supposed to do that? Not that I disagree with you, I just don't see a path towards either happening. Unless Embiid remains healthy and improves, I don't see a taker for him. If he is healthy and improved, then why would you move him? George on the other hand...It'll be a celebration the day he leaves. He's literally done nothing for us for almost two years now.

[elchengue20]

Utah aint trading Kessler for Grimes.

I think Grimes is showing he's a legit rotation NBA player that can really contribute.

If McCain comesback firing like last season I'll trade Grimes for a forward. A trade for Tari Eason makes a lot of sense.

[the_process]

They have plenty of money for Grimes... assuming they do the right thing and move off Embiid and/or George.

They have Bird rights on Grimes so they could also just go over the 2nd apron for a year and then deal PG as an expiring to get back under.

How are they supposed to do that? Not that I disagree with you, I just don't see a path towards either happening. Unless Embiid remains healthy and improves, I don't see a taker for him. If he is healthy and improved, then why would you move him? George on the other hand...It'll be a celebration the day he leaves. He's literally done nothing for us for almost two years now.

Embiid stays playing and putting up some numbers like he is now... I think there will be a market.

PG is wishful thinking, agreed.

[76ciology]

Am I right in understanding that we can re-sign him using his Bird Rights, meaning Grimes will be a UFA and can choose where to sign, but we’re allowed to offer him up to a 4 year deal, while other teams are limited to 3?

[M2J]

Am I right in understanding that we can re-sign him using his Bird Rights, meaning Grimes will be a UFA and can choose where to sign, but we’re allowed to offer him up to a 4 year deal, while other teams are limited to 3?

I'm pretty sure it's 5 years compared to 4 years. Unless something has changed that I can't recall. They also theoretically have no real cap limit as to what they can pay him annually compared to a team that may only have 20 million in space or something. Sixers could go up to 38 million next year without crossing the 2nd Apron. Now that's without Kelly Oubre... Who is you know better.


I really do like Quentin though and think he fits as a sixth man or starter...and both he and VJ can guard the 3.

Hope his relationships with the players transcends his negotiating beef with Daryl. I think you have to try and keep him and figure out how to get rid of that obvious mistake in George unless George truly turns it around with his health

[Eyeamok]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

Unfair take saying he hasn’t proven he can contribute to winning. He's never been in position too. Small sample size this season but he has performed well while sixers have been winning. I’d say he’s contributing to wins. Grimes is a baller. And being a solid defender I think having Maxey/VJ/McCain can work given 3 guard lineups. This is me speaking just from a basketball standpoint. When we get into the salary talk that’s where it doesn’t work moreso for me. The one consistent thing said about Grimes prior to being in Philly is he works hard and just needs an opportunity. I like him but at his asking price? Not that much. But I’m not mad he wants to get paid.

Awesome take. Well done sir !

[Eyeamok]

Am I right in understanding that we can re-sign him using his Bird Rights, meaning Grimes will be a UFA and can choose where to sign, but we’re allowed to offer him up to a 4 year deal, while other teams are limited to 3?

I'm pretty sure it's 5 years compared to 4 years. Unless something has changed that I can't recall. They also theoretically have no real cap limit as to what they can pay him annually compared to a team that may only have 20 million in space or something. Sixers could go up to 38 million next year without crossing the 2nd Apron. Now that's without Kelly Oubre... Who is you know better.


I really do like Quentin though and think he fits as a sixth man or starter...and both he and VJ can guard the 3.

Hope his relationships with the players transcends his negotiating beef with Daryl. I think you have to try and keep him and figure out how to get rid of that obvious mistake in George unless George truly turns it around with his health

Quentin's agent told him if he misses players on the 76ers he can always text them during the season after he signs his next contract. The goal is to get paid. Friendships are not going to get in the way of that. And I don't think there is a beef between Darryl and Grimes. They just disagreed on the numbers. And Darryl basically said go prove me wrong and Grimes said I will. The season is still young and a lot can and will happen.

[FlyingArrow]

Awesome take. Well done sir !

That's not how the Internet works. Allow me to demonstrate... you're both idiots.

[FlyingArrow]

Quentin's agent told him if he misses players on the 76ers he can always text them during the season after he signs his next contract. The goal is to get paid. Friendships are not going to get in the way of that. And I don't think there is a beef between Darryl and Grimes. They just disagreed on the numbers. And Darryl basically said go prove me wrong and Grimes said I will. The season is still young and a lot can and will happen.

If it's two offers with a big difference, of course he's going with more money. But in many cases, there are comparable offers. Either same money (or within 5-10%), or equally attractive offers that differ in length. For example, more years and more total guaranteed money vs a shorter contract with a higher annual salary. In those cases, relationships can play a big role to swing the decision.

[M2J]

Am I right in understanding that we can re-sign him using his Bird Rights, meaning Grimes will be a UFA and can choose where to sign, but we’re allowed to offer him up to a 4 year deal, while other teams are limited to 3?

I'm pretty sure it's 5 years compared to 4 years. Unless something has changed that I can't recall. They also theoretically have no real cap limit as to what they can pay him annually compared to a team that may only have 20 million in space or something. Sixers could go up to 38 million next year without crossing the 2nd Apron. Now that's without Kelly Oubre... Who is you know better.


I really do like Quentin though and think he fits as a sixth man or starter...and both he and VJ can guard the 3.

Hope his relationships with the players transcends his negotiating beef with Daryl. I think you have to try and keep him and figure out how to get rid of that obvious mistake in George unless George truly turns it around with his health

Quentin's agent told him if he misses players on the 76ers he can always text them during the season after he signs his next contract. The goal is to get paid. Friendships are not going to get in the way of that. And I don't think there is a beef between Darryl and Grimes. They just disagreed on the numbers. And Darryl basically said go prove me wrong and Grimes said I will. The season is still young and a lot can and will happen.

What I mean by that is I hope his relationships help and ill feelings don't get in the way of Daryl is giving the same offer essentially as other teams

[M2J]

Am I right in understanding that we can re-sign him using his Bird Rights, meaning Grimes will be a UFA and can choose where to sign, but we’re allowed to offer him up to a 4 year deal, while other teams are limited to 3?

I'm pretty sure it's 5 years compared to 4 years. Unless something has changed that I can't recall. They also theoretically have no real cap limit as to what they can pay him annually compared to a team that may only have 20 million in space or something. Sixers could go up to 38 million next year without crossing the 2nd Apron. Now that's without Kelly Oubre... Who is you know better.


I really do like Quentin though and think he fits as a sixth man or starter...and both he and VJ can guard the 3.

Hope his relationships with the players transcends his negotiating beef with Daryl. I think you have to try and keep him and figure out how to get rid of that obvious mistake in George unless George truly turns it around with his health

Quentin's agent told him if he misses players on the 76ers he can always text them during the season after he signs his next contract. The goal is to get paid. Friendships are not going to get in the way of that. And I don't think there is a beef between Darryl and Grimes. They just disagreed on the numbers. And Darryl basically said go prove me wrong and Grimes said I will. The season is still young and a lot can and will happen.

What I mean by that is I hope his relationships help and ill feelings don't get in the way of Daryl is giving the same offer essentially as other teams maybe even without giving the 5th year