NBA Trade Thread #13

[MikeDC]

You're AK.
1. You've made the decision to trade Ball before he gets injured again

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for a forward because we have 9 guards and 4 centers already.

But mostly because you're a dummy who gets too fixated on certain ideas. Nobody is forcing you to trade for a forward.* There are these things called draft picks...

* Also Okoro really isn't a forward.

You don't want to add a player over 26 to his rebuilding team, you're building a young team and want to run. You need somebody who can defend guards.

But we have 9 guards already. Some of them are quite good at defending guards. And we're rebuilding, so we aren't planning to win much anyway.

2. Every team except the Nets is at or over the cap, assume no team will take on extra money for Ball.

For god's sake man. The Bulls were literally offered a 1st round pick just a few months prior to take on the expiring contract of Marcus Smart, who's like a rich-man's Okoro. The first guard to win DPOY in 30 years.

You can only trade him for players around the same price or two cheap players totaling $10 mill. No team is willing to give you two cheap and good players for Ball, and you have no roster spots, you would have to pay and waive somebody. So those two new players need to be worth more than Ball PLUS the waived player that you're paying.

Oh noz! No more Jevon Carter? No more Dalen Terry or Julian Phillips? The net cost would still be zero.

You don't "have" to do anything. Just like you didn't "have" to extend Lonzo in the first place, only to turn around and trade him for a guy on an even longer deal a couple months later.

3. The players in that range are Royce Oneale, Matisse Thybulle, Luke Kennard, Maxi Kleiber, Mike Conley, Gabe Vincent, Isaac Okoro, Donte Divencenzo, Valenciunas, TJ McConnell, Aaron Neismith. You call about Divencenzo and Neismith and their teams die laughing.

4. Trade Ball.

For whomever will cough up a draft pick to take the extra year of salary off your hands. Or... simply don't trade. Sit tight, you don't have to do anything right now. Lonzo is an expiring contract and you are rebuilding. Do what rebuilding teams do and turn expiring contracts into draft picks. Don't take on long-term money.

[nomorezorro]

"turning expiring contracts into draft picks" is not a thing that has meaningfully happened for over a decade at this point unless you are also taking on an actively bad contract in the process

[Seccci]

Both pelicans and suns look like complete derailed trainwrecks and they don't own 1sts...

Might start to discuss possibility of trading for Zion or booker for real soon or if not wanting to go that big, maybe herb Jones as SF? Idk.. Portland looking better despite billups news( or they might be better without him idk), so bulls might have 2x first to dangle from this draft, which is looked at as strong.

Maybe if atl hawks are not doing great, can get porzingis? He still looked great in the bulls game against them

Or even more hilariously, if magic are struggling, try to get Franz Wagner from them ahahaha

[sco]

Both pelicans and suns look like complete derailed trainwrecks and they don't own 1sts...

Might start to discuss possibility of trading for Zion or booker for real soon or if not wanting to go that big, maybe herb Jones as SF? Idk.. Portland looking better despite billups news( or they might be better without him idk), so bulls might have 2x first to dangle from this draft, which is looked at as strong.

Maybe if atl hawks are not doing great, can get porzingis? He still looked great in the bulls game against them

Or even more hilariously, if magic are struggling, try to get Franz Wagner from them ahahaha

I think Zion or Booker would be interesting gets for us.

[Infinity2152]

You're AK.
1. You've made the decision to trade Ball before he gets injured again

ok

Code: Select all

for a forward because we have 9 guards and 4 centers already.

But mostly because you're a dummy who gets too fixated on certain ideas. Nobody is forcing you to trade for a forward.* There are these things called draft picks...

* Also Okoro really isn't a forward.

You don't want to add a player over 26 to his rebuilding team, you're building a young team and want to run. You need somebody who can defend guards.

But we have 9 guards already. Some of them are quite good at defending guards. And we're rebuilding, so we aren't planning to win much anyway.

2. Every team except the Nets is at or over the cap, assume no team will take on extra money for Ball.

For god's sake man. The Bulls were literally offered a 1st round pick just a few months prior to take on the expiring contract of Marcus Smart, who's like a rich-man's Okoro. The first guard to win DPOY in 30 years.

You can only trade him for players around the same price or two cheap players totaling $10 mill. No team is willing to give you two cheap and good players for Ball, and you have no roster spots, you would have to pay and waive somebody. So those two new players need to be worth more than Ball PLUS the waived player that you're paying.

Oh noz! No more Jevon Carter? No more Dalen Terry or Julian Phillips? The net cost would still be zero.

You don't "have" to do anything. Just like you didn't "have" to extend Lonzo in the first place, only to turn around and trade him for a guy on an even longer deal a couple months later.

3. The players in that range are Royce Oneale, Matisse Thybulle, Luke Kennard, Maxi Kleiber, Mike Conley, Gabe Vincent, Isaac Okoro, Donte Divencenzo, Valenciunas, TJ McConnell, Aaron Neismith. You call about Divencenzo and Neismith and their teams die laughing.

4. Trade Ball.

For whomever will cough up a draft pick to take the extra year of salary off your hands. Or... simply don't trade. Sit tight, you don't have to do anything right now. Lonzo is an expiring contract and you are rebuilding. Do what rebuilding teams do and turn expiring contracts into draft picks. Don't take on long-term money.

Just deleted my response, not going to escalate. It's the trade thread, we already have Okoro.

[Infinity2152]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

[sco]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Yeah, Coby's trade value is gonna be low, just given his being a FA. I doubt we'd nab a 1st in that deal, but if we did, great! What about Ayo/Smith for Gafford?

[Infinity2152]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Yeah, Coby's trade value is gonna be low, just given his being a FA. I doubt we'd nab a 1st in that deal, but if we did, great! What about Ayo/Smith for Gafford?

Would go for that one too. Stubborn can only last so long, with Dwight Powell they have 4 centers including AD and already have Washington and Flagg at PF. Would take a look at Hardy or Christie, tons of ways we could work a deal if they're in win now mode and want more veteran guards.

There's a lot of talent on that team, even without Kyrie. With Flagg and Washington handling most of the forward minutes, a 4 guard rotation with Russell, Ayo, Thompson, Christie give them a lot of looks. Thompon getting backup minutes, maybe starting because of name.

[WesPeace]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Yeah, Coby's trade value is gonna be low, just given his being a FA. I doubt we'd nab a 1st in that deal, but if we did, great! What about Ayo/Smith for Gafford?

Why overpay for Gafford? but also Ayo is untouchable for me!

I would prefer White / Smith / Carter for Gafford / Christie and 2nd, doubtful we would get 1st for expiring Coby!

[Infinity2152]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Yeah, Coby's trade value is gonna be low, just given his being a FA. I doubt we'd nab a 1st in that deal, but if we did, great! What about Ayo/Smith for Gafford?

Why overpay for Gafford? but also Ayo is untouchable for me!

I would prefer White / Smith / Carter for Gafford / Christie and 2nd, doubtful we would get 1st for expiring Coby!

Cool with a second, I thinks Christie's pretty good. I like Ayo too, lol! Having Gafford on that contract will be a hell of an advantage this summer. Would love for Ayo to play well and we re-sign him. Even at backup next year, Gafford would fill a bigger need, imo.

Can they take White/Smith/Carter for Gafford/Christie, pick? They're over the cap.

[WesPeace]

Yeah, Coby's trade value is gonna be low, just given his being a FA. I doubt we'd nab a 1st in that deal, but if we did, great! What about Ayo/Smith for Gafford?

Why overpay for Gafford? but also Ayo is untouchable for me!

I would prefer White / Smith / Carter for Gafford / Christie and 2nd, doubtful we would get 1st for expiring Coby!

Cool with a second, I thinks Christie's pretty good. I like Ayo too, lol! Having Gafford on that contract will be a hell of an advantage this summer. Would love for Ayo to play well and we re-sign him. Even at backup next year, Gafford would fill a bigger need, imo.

Can they take White/Smith/Carter for Gafford/Christie, pick? They're over the cap.

Yeah, they are over the cap.. so probably Carter not included

[Chi town]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Ayo for Lively.

Coby worth way more than Lively.

I’m not even much of a Liveky fan but he would certainly help us with rim protection and open our offense more with lobs.

[patryk7754]

Probably too big and complicated for a trade deadline move but I think it’s feasible.

Vuc to the lakers
Bulls picks, Ayton and kleber to the kings
White, Williams, Collins to Portland
Sabonis, Holiday, and thybulle to Chicago

Giddey/jones
Holiday/Ayo
Huerter/thybulle
Matas/Okoro/Noa
Sabonis/Smith

We don’t sacrifice our depth too much, we acquire someone who can actually score 40 (which I think is needed to be a true competitor in the nba) and holiday is a major X factor. With this trade we might be able to squeeze some picks out of Portland as well, considering they’re getting young talent for old vets on a trash team.

Moving forward, we’d only need to do one of two thing (imo). Either trade for a legit PF (ideally one elite defender) or a high level eventually replace holiday.

[patryk7754]

On top of the 4 team trade for sabonis and holiday, I would like to pursue a Gafford trade. We’d have minimal flexibility after the other trade but okoro, Carter and second rounders would work cap wise. And maybe the cavs decide they need a wing more than a big.

Giddey/jones/Holiday
Holiday/Ayo/terry
Huerter/Thybulle/Phillips
Matas/Smith/Noa
Sabonis/Gafford

After all that, our two-ish year plan should be acquiring an all star level SG or PF. I think the more intriguing path would be moving Matas to SG, Noa at the three and getting a PF, but I think it would be more likely and all star level wing becomes available

[Infinity2152]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Ayo for Lively.

Coby worth way more than Lively.

I’m not even much of a Liveky fan but he would certainly help us with rim protection and open our offense more with lobs.

In a vacuum, I'd agree Coby is worth more than Lively now. Lively's 21, and his contract next year is $7.2 mill. Then he would be a RFA. Coby's 25 and his next year contract could be $30+ mill. If he's even still here, no guarantee Coby's here even if we don't trade him. He's unrestricted. Wouldn't be straight up anyway, other players/picks likely involved, salaries not close.

Plus, it's way harder to find good centers than good one-way shooting guards lol.

[NecessaryEvil]

Both pelicans and suns look like complete derailed trainwrecks and they don't own 1sts...

Might start to discuss possibility of trading for Zion or booker for real soon or if not wanting to go that big, maybe herb Jones as SF? Idk.. Portland looking better despite billups news( or they might be better without him idk), so bulls might have 2x first to dangle from this draft, which is looked at as strong.

Maybe if atl hawks are not doing great, can get porzingis? He still looked great in the bulls game against them

Or even more hilariously, if magic are struggling, try to get Franz Wagner from them ahahaha

I think Zion or Booker would be interesting gets for us.

Give us Zion and we have a player that can challenge the best players at the top of the east in 7 games (Embiid, Giannis etc.

I’d LOVE Zion on this recent Bulls squad

[WesPeace]

So who is going to be the odd center out in Dallas? The Flagg at PG is ridiculous. So far, looks like Lively is only getting 17 minutes a game, and Gafford hasn't even played. The guard who should be starting at PG, D' Angelo Russell is only getting 20 mins. Klay Thompson and those legs are playing 21 mins, mostly at guard.

Coby White/Jalen Smith for Daniel Gafford/Max Christie and a first. Dallas is sucking, Coby looks great and can jump immediately into the starting spot. They get a reserve center in Smith who doesn't need minutes.

Would rather trade for Lively, of course. Thoughts?

Ayo for Lively.

Coby worth way more than Lively.

I’m not even much of a Liveky fan but he would certainly help us with rim protection and open our offense more with lobs.

You dont like Ayo? Ayo for Lively is overpay..
For me Ayo is untouchable anyway, but that is bad trade

[burlydee]

How quickly things change….

I don’t want Zion on my team. I don’t like rooting for guys making $40 million a year you have to beg to try. He’s never really won anything. I can’t think of a lot of guys who have got this type of stink on them and turned it around.

Booker is too expensive. I just don’t think it’s make sense to go all in on a guy who makes you marginally better. Coby at $30 is better than Booker at $55 mil. I do think he’d be much better here with a point guard, but not sure it’s worth it.

Two guys I’d keep an eye on - Lively and Trey Murphy. Both teams are a mess. Lively would be a long term Vuc replacement. Murphy is just in a miserable situation. I’d love to see how he do in a more healthy situation. I don’t have trades, but those are guys I like.

[Infinity2152]

Just for reference, Lively has only played 2 years. 20+ minutes a game with Gafford and AD. Biggest real problem is he's missed a lot of games, no chronic injuries. No reason to think he wouldn't play more without the center overload, would take the non-shooting for the lobs and the rest.

Per 36 last year: 13.6 pts, 11.7 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 2.4 blocks, .9 steals.

Per 100 possessions: 18.2 pts, 15.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 3.3 blocks, 1.1 steals. We're a running team now, one of the fastest paces (high possessions). We're averaging around 104 possessions/gm this year, I believe. Vuc was on the court for 101.8 possessions/gm last year according to Copilot. I know it may be inaccurate, better stats welcome from better sources.

Advanced: TS% 70.4, PER 20.1, VORP 1.1, BPM 3.3, DPBM 2.2

And he's only 21. Really want to say Coby and Ayo are better than Lively? Shall we compare their age 20 stats? Or even last years?
When you're comparing 7'1 good players to 6'4-6'5, think the 7'1 player automatically gets the tie, if there is one. There are so few talented 7'1 players as opposed to guards.

[NecessaryEvil]

delete pls