Giannis with the worst travel of all time

[lambchop]

Ball's still spinning in his hand when he takes the first couple of steps and hand's not under the ball. Allowed. Then it's just a regular gather plus one two. No travel.

If anything the very first "dribble" where he lifts the pivot before putting the ball down is technically the travel.

So if you just keep the ball spinning in your hand, you can run down the court without dribbling. Genius level logic. I like it.

Logic? That's the rule...

Exactly. Here's how the ball spinning is applied in the float dribble. This is a move commonly used by NBA players and professionals. Notice how the ball keeps spinning in his hand while he takes 3 or more steps. It's not a carry nor a is it a travel.

Watch on YouTube

If you can get enough spin on the ball, yes, you absolutely can run the length of the court with the ball in your hand.

[sashaturiaf]

that's on the same level as the Angel Reese quadruple dribble fast break lay up... ha ha

You made me google that one and I thank you for it.

[Mirotic12]

It's not even Giannis' worst travel. He's been allowed by the refs to score from half court on one dribble.

[Sixteen]

Every Giannis travel is hilarious because it's always so obvious

[bovice]

definition of a referee created star if we're being honest with ourselves.

[magicman1978]

So I should be delaying my dribble (by putting all or parts of my hand under the ball to carry - I mean delay), which is totally different than pausing my dribble.

Guy pretty constantly carried in that video, but we as fans have decided we want to see funky crossovers and whatnot, so we don't pay any attention to the carry rule.

A hint - if like Giannis in this video from about the 3pt line in - you'd have to make the palming violation signal to actually dribble the basketball - you have begun your gather and no longer have a live dribble by any sane definition.

Yeah, if this is legal by the rules - then it shouldn't be. You should not be able to take 5 additional steps after your final dribble once your hand has contacted / controlled the ball - which happens when he is still outside the 3pt line as he pushes the ball forward (that's not a floating dribble - he actively controlled the direction of the ball) giving himself an additional 2-steps before he actually "gathers" the ball and gets another 3 steps. This type of stuff being legal is why it's nearly impossible to defend the best players today.

[Effigy]

So if you just keep the ball spinning in your hand, you can run down the court without dribbling. Genius level logic. I like it.

Logic? That's the rule...

Exactly. Here's how the ball spinning is applied in the float dribble. This is a move commonly used by NBA players and professionals. Notice how the ball keeps spinning in his hand while he takes 3 or more steps. It's not a carry nor a is it a travel.

Watch on YouTube

If you can get enough spin on the ball, yes, you absolutely can run the length of the court with the ball in your hand.

I mean, even before he got to that point, his feet both moved before the ball hit the ground. Clear travel.

[lambchop]

Logic? That's the rule...

Exactly. Here's how the ball spinning is applied in the float dribble. This is a move commonly used by NBA players and professionals. Notice how the ball keeps spinning in his hand while he takes 3 or more steps. It's not a carry nor a is it a travel.

Watch on YouTube

If you can get enough spin on the ball, yes, you absolutely can run the length of the court with the ball in your hand.

I mean, even before he got to that point, his feet both moved before the ball hit the ground. Clear travel.

Do you mean on his initial dribble to start the drill or do you mean in general? If you mean in general, then that's definitely not a travel. He's essentially allowed unlimited steps and the ball doesn't have to hit the ground, as long as the dribble is still live.

If you mean the very beginning of the exercise, then, yes, possibly. But I can't see his feet cause of the text.

[Coach Carter]

Sure this is cheating but the likes of SGA and Brunson pushing off every possession is okay? The league made a decision a long time ago that it cared more about revenue than following the rules. It's simply catering to its American audience, who prefer high scoring. The option to watch EuroLeague is always there.

[eminence]

So I should be delaying my dribble (by putting all or parts of my hand under the ball to carry - I mean delay), which is totally different than pausing my dribble.

Guy pretty constantly carried in that video, but we as fans have decided we want to see funky crossovers and whatnot, so we don't pay any attention to the carry rule.

A hint - if like Giannis in this video from about the 3pt line in - you'd have to make the palming violation signal to actually dribble the basketball - you have begun your gather and no longer have a live dribble by any sane definition.

Yeah, if this is legal by the rules - then it shouldn't be. You should not be able to take 5 additional steps after your final dribble once your hand has contacted / controlled the ball - which happens when he is still outside the 3pt line as he pushes the ball forward (that's not a floating dribble - he actively controlled the direction of the ball) giving himself an additional 2-steps before he actually "gathers" the ball and gets another 3 steps. This type of stuff being legal is why it's nearly impossible to defend the best players today.

Broadly, a lot of the 'float' dribbles we see in games are controlled carries and it makes it very difficult to defend, just so much more control for the offensive player when they can put their hand mostly under the ball.

There seems to be a portion of the fanbase pushing that the player needs to have their hand 100% under the ball waiter-style for it to be carry. That is not and has never been the rule (hopefully it never is), originally/and how it's written it's if *any* of your hand contacts under the midpoint of the ball, and they've gradually loosened how they call it to now where a player realistically needs there whole hand under the midpoint for it to be called (Giannis has probably ~75% of his hand under the midpoint on this play).

[The Servant]

definition of a referee created star if we're being honest with ourselves.

Yeah, the only thing freakish is the reffing. NBA had completely lost integrity from their product. It is closer to entertainment than sport than its ever been.

Its a pretty bad product these days, chucking 3s, egregious traveling, betting scandals, more than 50% of fans think the lotto is rigged...

Its closer to a product for tiktok now sport.

[dhsilv2]

So I should be delaying my dribble (by putting all or parts of my hand under the ball to carry - I mean delay), which is totally different than pausing my dribble.

Guy pretty constantly carried in that video, but we as fans have decided we want to see funky crossovers and whatnot, so we don't pay any attention to the carry rule.

A hint - if like Giannis in this video from about the 3pt line in - you'd have to make the palming violation signal to actually dribble the basketball - you have begun your gather and no longer have a live dribble by any sane definition.

Yeah, if this is legal by the rules - then it shouldn't be. You should not be able to take 5 additional steps after your final dribble once your hand has contacted / controlled the ball - which happens when he is still outside the 3pt line as he pushes the ball forward (that's not a floating dribble - he actively controlled the direction of the ball) giving himself an additional 2-steps before he actually "gathers" the ball and gets another 3 steps. This type of stuff being legal is why it's nearly impossible to defend the best players today.

Broadly, a lot of the 'float' dribbles we see in games are controlled carries and it makes it very difficult to defend, just so much more control for the offensive player when they can put their hand mostly under the ball.

There seems to be a portion of the fanbase pushing that the player needs to have their hand 100% under the ball waiter-style for it to be carry. That is not and has never been the rule (hopefully it never is), originally/and how it's written it's if *any* of your hand contacts under the midpoint of the ball, and they've gradually loosened how they call it to now where a player realistically needs there whole hand under the midpoint for it to be called (Giannis has probably ~75% of his hand under the midpoint on this play).

So you have anything on when it's considered under the ball? With the size of hands, it's almost impossible to allow any side contact from a giannis type guy. I went through the rules and didn't see anything on what is the definition. My view was always the center of the hand but clearly it seems others have another take. But again I just can't see anything written.

[bovice]

definition of a referee created star if we're being honest with ourselves.

Yeah, the only thing freakish is the reffing. NBA had completely lost integrity from their product. It is closer to entertainment than sport than its ever been.

Its a pretty bad product these days, chucking 3s, egregious traveling, betting scandals, more than 50% of fans think the lotto is rigged...

Its closer to a product for tiktok now sport.

u just gotta view the nba like u view the WWE. its for entertainment first, sport second. so dont take the 'whose better/legacy/rankings' bs too seriously. if any team's 2nd string or 3rd string forward played with the physicality that giannis played with, he'd foul out in the 2nd quarter. he's an athlete more than a basketball player who happened to win a ring because the 2 teams that could beat them got injured so he now has an overrated perception.

[eminence]

Yeah, if this is legal by the rules - then it shouldn't be. You should not be able to take 5 additional steps after your final dribble once your hand has contacted / controlled the ball - which happens when he is still outside the 3pt line as he pushes the ball forward (that's not a floating dribble - he actively controlled the direction of the ball) giving himself an additional 2-steps before he actually "gathers" the ball and gets another 3 steps. This type of stuff being legal is why it's nearly impossible to defend the best players today.

Broadly, a lot of the 'float' dribbles we see in games are controlled carries and it makes it very difficult to defend, just so much more control for the offensive player when they can put their hand mostly under the ball.

There seems to be a portion of the fanbase pushing that the player needs to have their hand 100% under the ball waiter-style for it to be carry. That is not and has never been the rule (hopefully it never is), originally/and how it's written it's if *any* of your hand contacts under the midpoint of the ball, and they've gradually loosened how they call it to now where a player realistically needs there whole hand under the midpoint for it to be called (Giannis has probably ~75% of his hand under the midpoint on this play).

So you have anything on when it's considered under the ball? With the size of hands, it's almost impossible to allow any side contact from a giannis type guy. I went through the rules and didn't see anything on what is the definition. My view was always the center of the hand but clearly it seems others have another take. But again I just can't see anything written.

The original interpretation (first 20-25 years of the league) was clearly no contact below the midpoint and I don't believe the wording was ever changed. The default would be to have a qualifier if they meant something other than any part of the hand imo (they add qualifiers in other portions).

I would personally be fine with them loosening the rule somewhat but more strictly than what is currently enforced (I mean it's basically not enforced at all currently), but they should put it in writing and then actually enforce it at whatever limit they set it at.

There's some bits on any part of the hand in their 'discontinued dribble' videos:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-drive/

[dhsilv2]

Broadly, a lot of the 'float' dribbles we see in games are controlled carries and it makes it very difficult to defend, just so much more control for the offensive player when they can put their hand mostly under the ball.

There seems to be a portion of the fanbase pushing that the player needs to have their hand 100% under the ball waiter-style for it to be carry. That is not and has never been the rule (hopefully it never is), originally/and how it's written it's if *any* of your hand contacts under the midpoint of the ball, and they've gradually loosened how they call it to now where a player realistically needs there whole hand under the midpoint for it to be called (Giannis has probably ~75% of his hand under the midpoint on this play).

So you have anything on when it's considered under the ball? With the size of hands, it's almost impossible to allow any side contact from a giannis type guy. I went through the rules and didn't see anything on what is the definition. My view was always the center of the hand but clearly it seems others have another take. But again I just can't see anything written.

The original interpretation (first 20-25 years of the league) was clearly no contact below the midpoint and I don't believe the wording was ever changed. The default would be to have a qualifier if they meant something other than any part of the hand imo (they add qualifiers in other portions).

I would personally be fine with them loosening the rule somewhat but more strictly than what is currently enforced (I mean it's basically not enforced at all currently), but they should put it in writing and then actually enforce it at whatever limit they set it at.

There's some bits on any part of the hand in their 'discontinued dribble' videos:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-drive/

Those videos the dribbler is legit palm at the 180 axes. That's not even up for debate. I was hoping we had more as it's kinda imo WILD to call it under if any part of the hand is there as some guys dribble would technically be that due to hand size.

[Curmudgeon]

How can anyone compare eras when this sort of crap is allowed to happen. It's not basketball. Integrity of the game? Don't make me laugh. When is the last time some guy on a two-way got away with crap like this?

[eminence]

So you have anything on when it's considered under the ball? With the size of hands, it's almost impossible to allow any side contact from a giannis type guy. I went through the rules and didn't see anything on what is the definition. My view was always the center of the hand but clearly it seems others have another take. But again I just can't see anything written.

The original interpretation (first 20-25 years of the league) was clearly no contact below the midpoint and I don't believe the wording was ever changed. The default would be to have a qualifier if they meant something other than any part of the hand imo (they add qualifiers in other portions).

I would personally be fine with them loosening the rule somewhat but more strictly than what is currently enforced (I mean it's basically not enforced at all currently), but they should put it in writing and then actually enforce it at whatever limit they set it at.

There's some bits on any part of the hand in their 'discontinued dribble' videos:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-drive/

Those videos the dribbler is legit palm at the 180 axes. That's not even up for debate. I was hoping we had more as it's kinda imo WILD to call it under if any part of the hand is there as some guys dribble would technically be that due to hand size.

They'll choose calls where it's pretty obvious and not a close call for their examples, just showing they do reference any part of the hand in a rules adjacent location.

By the letter of the law #55 probably breaks it crossing halfcourt and Kuzma on all of his dribbles on that play.

Like I said, I'm fine with them loosening the rule as written, but they should do so in writing and then actually enforce it. I dunno, somewhere around having the top 240 degrees of the circle to work on?

[Swindle]

He wasn’t even on the break. Just casually went from behind the 3 point line to the bottom of the key without the ball touching the floor. That seems mad good. I’d just spam that move every game and if the defender tries to stop it just shove that bum out of the way. 100 point game getting broken this year

[Profound23]

So if you just keep the ball spinning in your hand, you can run down the court without dribbling. Genius level logic. I like it.

Logic? That's the rule...

Exactly. Here's how the ball spinning is applied in the float dribble. This is a move commonly used by NBA players and professionals. Notice how the ball keeps spinning in his hand while he takes 3 or more steps. It's not a carry nor a is it a travel.

Watch on YouTube

If you can get enough spin on the ball, yes, you absolutely can run the length of the court with the ball in your hand.

I honestly didn't know this was the rule until Gil talked about it on their podcast and said this wasn't a travel. NBA should change that rule because someone will exploit it far worse than this play.

In the meantime, Giannis should run this play like the Philly Tush Push until they outlaw it.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I think people are confusing two different things, in this thread and in the general discussion:
- this move is not a travel in the NBA. There is an interpretation that is consistently applied. Giannis gathered only when he did put two hands of the ball, then it's two steps. For the same reason, Harden is not travelling when he makes his 5 steps stepback
- it looks awful and against the spirit of the game, as some guys managed to exploit the carrying rules. This should be addressed