The Lauri Markkanen trade situation

[Daddy 801]

Jerami Grant, Scoot Henderson, Earlier of Bucks/Blazers 2030 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2032 Blazers Unprotected First Round Draft Pick for Lauri Markkanen?

Overpaying

Picks that are 5 and 7 years out is a hard pill to swallow. It would be knowing you are ranking for 5 years and hopefully get a few good guys ready to go in 2030 and then have amazing pieces that can add to your core.

So I’m not sure it’s an overpay. The time value of an unprotected pick in 5 and 7 years is worth a lot less than an unprotected pick in the next 1-3 years.

[Jkam31]

I still really like his fit in San Antonio. I also think SAS should move Fox, as unrealistic as that sounds.

SAS OUT - Fox, Olynyk, 1 FRP
SAS IN - Markkanen

MIA OUT - Rozier, JJJ, 2 FRP
MIA IN - Fox

UTA OUT - Markkanen
UTA IN - Rozier, Olynyk, JJJ, 1 SAS FRP, 2 MIA FRP

Then SAS runs w/ -

G - Castle / Harper
G - Vassell / Harper
F - Barnes / Champagine / Keldon
F - Markkanen / Sochan / Keldon
C - Wemby / Kornet

I don’t get y’all fox is a big time playoff performer went head to head with Steph the spurs need an elite perimeter scorer why trade him. They can get Lauri without trading fox, castle, or Harper

[Wolveswin]

If Philly thinks they are legit, pretty good offer.

Markkanen/Anderson

FOR

George/McCain/3x 1sts

McCain could be sent to 3rd team, many desperate for a PG (like Rockets), for additional 1st or two.

George takes the long road back. Ainge can try and rehab for trade at much later time or buyout at later time. Either option helps the tank this year.

[tcheco]

I still really like his fit in San Antonio. I also think SAS should move Fox, as unrealistic as that sounds.

SAS OUT - Fox, Olynyk, 1 FRP
SAS IN - Markkanen

MIA OUT - Rozier, JJJ, 2 FRP
MIA IN - Fox

UTA OUT - Markkanen
UTA IN - Rozier, Olynyk, JJJ, 1 SAS FRP, 2 MIA FRP

Then SAS runs w/ -

G - Castle / Harper
G - Vassell / Harper
F - Barnes / Champagine / Keldon
F - Markkanen / Sochan / Keldon
C - Wemby / Kornet

I don’t get y’all fox is a big time playoff performer went head to head with Steph the spurs need an elite perimeter scorer why trade him. They can get Lauri without trading fox, castle, or Harper

Fox played 1 playoff series where he shot 5-19 for 16 points and 5 TO in an elimination game 3 seasons ago.

He won't be traded, but I get why people might choose depth over Fox considering how much he gets paid. That being said, Fox, if healthy, can contribute, the question would be if he can be more positive than Vassel's improved defense and 3 point shooting(since Vassel would have to be sent out to gete Markkanen)

[Jkam31]

I still really like his fit in San Antonio. I also think SAS should move Fox, as unrealistic as that sounds.

SAS OUT - Fox, Olynyk, 1 FRP
SAS IN - Markkanen

MIA OUT - Rozier, JJJ, 2 FRP
MIA IN - Fox

UTA OUT - Markkanen
UTA IN - Rozier, Olynyk, JJJ, 1 SAS FRP, 2 MIA FRP

Then SAS runs w/ -

G - Castle / Harper
G - Vassell / Harper
F - Barnes / Champagine / Keldon
F - Markkanen / Sochan / Keldon
C - Wemby / Kornet

I don’t get y’all fox is a big time playoff performer went head to head with Steph the spurs need an elite perimeter scorer why trade him. They can get Lauri without trading fox, castle, or Harper

Fox played 1 playoff series where he shot 5-19 for 16 points and 5 TO in an elimination game 3 seasons ago.

He won't be traded, but I get why people might choose depth over Fox considering how much he gets paid. That being said, Fox, if healthy, can contribute, the question would be if he can be more positive than Vassel's improved defense and 3 point shooting(since Vassel would have to be sent out to gete Markkanen)

You know he was hurt right? He went toe to toe with curry that whole series outside that game and they won if he’s healthy or Sabonis doesn’t get assaulted

[hugepatsfan]

I still really like his fit in San Antonio. I also think SAS should move Fox, as unrealistic as that sounds.

SAS OUT - Fox, Olynyk, 1 FRP
SAS IN - Markkanen

MIA OUT - Rozier, JJJ, 2 FRP
MIA IN - Fox

UTA OUT - Markkanen
UTA IN - Rozier, Olynyk, JJJ, 1 SAS FRP, 2 MIA FRP

Then SAS runs w/ -

G - Castle / Harper
G - Vassell / Harper
F - Barnes / Champagine / Keldon
F - Markkanen / Sochan / Keldon
C - Wemby / Kornet

I don’t get y’all fox is a big time playoff performer went head to head with Steph the spurs need an elite perimeter scorer why trade him. They can get Lauri without trading fox, castle, or Harper

His 52.4% true shooting percentage in the playoffs was bad. He shot 42%/33% from the field if you just use raw percentages, both also bad. He had 4 turnovers per game - bad. He went head to head with Steph and was high volume, inefficient. He's not an elite perimeter scorer. Not even close. To be an elite perimeter scorer you need some efficiency.

[tcheco]

I don’t get y’all fox is a big time playoff performer went head to head with Steph the spurs need an elite perimeter scorer why trade him. They can get Lauri without trading fox, castle, or Harper

Fox played 1 playoff series where he shot 5-19 for 16 points and 5 TO in an elimination game 3 seasons ago.

He won't be traded, but I get why people might choose depth over Fox considering how much he gets paid. That being said, Fox, if healthy, can contribute, the question would be if he can be more positive than Vassel's improved defense and 3 point shooting(since Vassel would have to be sent out to gete Markkanen)

You know he was hurt right? He went toe to toe with curry that whole series outside that game and they won if he’s healthy or Sabonis doesn’t get assaulted

Everyone is hurt at some point. Surely if Fox going toe to toe with Curry one playoff series while being hurt really signifies how he impacts winning, he should've made the playoffs more times by now? A lower seed warriors beat them and then the following year he got eliminated in the play-in by Jonas and Ingram while shooting 12-29.

Sure he is not terrible, but he is not a star, and he is paid like one. As a Spurs fan, the trade was premature at the time, but I get why they did it, low value picks were moved, but the money spent on his extension is crazy, limits their future moves and decisions, which is why most people would look at moving him if anyone wants to bite the bullet.

Once again, that being said, he will benefit with playing with Wemby, and should get good numbers, but his size and lack of a reliable 3 ball worry me in the long run

[QMemphis]

Grizz could offer a pretty competitive package for Lauri if we choose to go that direction.

Santi/BC/Konchar/3 1st (Suns and Magic/Grizz in 26 1sts plus Magic 1st in 30)

I would easily do that but dont really understand Memphis trading Bane for Lauri, effectively. Seems financially to be a bad decision if they traded Bane because of cost.

We traded Bane primarily for fit, the money played a portion but with our young guys Ced, Wells, Pippen and Edey locked of for 3 more years it could make sense if we go all in. Also still have vets in KCP and Ty on the roster.

Ja/Coward/Lauri/Jaren/Edey
Ty/Pip/Wells/KCP

GG/Vince/OMax

That’s a title level group if things break right.

[Jojothewhale]

If Philly thinks they are legit, pretty good offer.

Markkanen/Anderson

FOR

George/McCain/3x 1sts

McCain could be sent to 3rd team, many desperate for a PG (like Rockets), for additional 1st or two.

George takes the long road back. Ainge can try and rehab for trade at much later time or buyout at later time. Either option helps the tank this year.

Forget value. Markannen only makes sense as a Sixers trade target if Embiid is healthy. The whole reason they almost traded for him last year was that fit.

They’re a downright horrendous defensive team if they make this deal and Embiid is even a half step below his defensive prime. Right now, it looks like his offense is coming around. But his defense is non-functional. He’s not even attempting to challenge shots.

[Wolveswin]

If Philly thinks they are legit, pretty good offer.

Markkanen/Anderson

FOR

George/McCain/3x 1sts

McCain could be sent to 3rd team, many desperate for a PG (like Rockets), for additional 1st or two.

George takes the long road back. Ainge can try and rehab for trade at much later time or buyout at later time. Either option helps the tank this year.

Forget value. Markannen only makes sense as a Sixers trade target if Embiid is healthy. The whole reason they almost traded for him last year was that fit.

They’re a downright horrendous defensive team if they make this deal and Embiid is even a half step below his defensive prime. Right now, it looks like his offense is coming around. But his defense is non-functional. He’s not even attempting to challenge shots.

Everything 76ers do is based on Embiid health. 76ers are a nice early success story - but without Embiid will fade and won’t be a real player come playoffs. So…

Yes, a 76ers all-in trade means Embiid is ready/healthy to lead 76ers into playoffs - and adding Markkanen is additive to what is in place (including Embiid).

[Jojothewhale]

Yes, a 76ers all-in trade means Embiid is ready/healthy to lead 76ers into playoffs - and adding Markkanen is additive to what is in place (including Embiid).

Then I still hate the value. I’m not sure that team is materially better and it cost them everything that isn’t nailed down, plus Grimes walking in free agency. That last bit is happening anyway, but they keep their picks without doing the deal.

No one is taking PG at any price close to palatable when he’s probably not as bad as he was last year post-quitting. Another team would be insane to take on the risk, so they have to ride it out for now.

[JRoy]

Jerami Grant, Scoot Henderson, Earlier of Bucks/Blazers 2030 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2032 Blazers Unprotected First Round Draft Pick for Lauri Markkanen?

Pass for POR.

Grant and one of those picks.

Scratch that.

Trying to build a defensive team.

[GrowingHorns]

Jerami Grant, Scoot Henderson, Earlier of Bucks/Blazers 2030 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick and 2032 Blazers Unprotected First Round Draft Pick for Lauri Markkanen?

Overpaying

Not if he plays even close to this level next week's and months. You can't get him in that case w/o a package to this tier. But it's all about how his season progresses from now. Anyway, I think Jazz are after earlier picks that might become lottery picks.

[Wolveswin]

Yes, a 76ers all-in trade means Embiid is ready/healthy to lead 76ers into playoffs - and adding Markkanen is additive to what is in place (including Embiid).

Then I still hate the value. I’m not sure that team is materially better and it cost them everything that isn’t nailed down, plus Grimes walking in free agency. That last bit is happening anyway, but they keep their picks without doing the deal.

No one is taking PG at any price close to palatable when he’s probably not as bad as he was last year post-quitting. Another team would be insane to take on the risk, so they have to ride it out for now.

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

[Wolveswin]

Yes, a 76ers all-in trade means Embiid is ready/healthy to lead 76ers into playoffs - and adding Markkanen is additive to what is in place (including Embiid).

Then I still hate the value. I’m not sure that team is materially better and it cost them everything that isn’t nailed down, plus Grimes walking in free agency. That last bit is happening anyway, but they keep their picks without doing the deal.

No one is taking PG at any price close to palatable when he’s probably not as bad as he was last year post-quitting. Another team would be insane to take on the risk, so they have to ride it out for now.

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

[Jojothewhale]

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

I wish that were true as I'm a Sixers fan. Don't agree, but I'll play along. I like this deal even less.

So PG isn't a huge negative, but it still requires adding 3 1sts with no mention of protection and McCain to get a guy who wasn't particularly good last year and is now locked into a massive deal? I'm sympathetic to Jazz fans' claims that last year was not indicative of what Markkanen can be, but it still happened. You'd be insane to trade for him at full 2023-24 previous contract valuation.

Basically, I think you're centering a deal on two players in Lauri and PG who are the last guys either team involved should accept market rate for today. Both teams are better off betting on bouncebacks and going from there. Hopefully both do. The more good players in the league, the better off we all are.

[Wolveswin]

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

I wish that were true as I'm a Sixers fan. Don't agree, but I'll play along. I like this deal even less.

So PG isn't a huge negative, but it still requires adding 3 1sts with no mention of protection and McCain to get a guy who wasn't particularly good last year and is now locked into a massive deal? I'm sympathetic to Jazz fans' claims that last year was not indicative of what Markkanen can be, but it still happened. You'd be insane to trade for him at full 2023-24 previous contract valuation.

Basically, I think you're centering a deal on two players in Lauri and PG who are the last guys either team involved should accept market rate for today. Both teams are better off betting on bouncebacks and going from there. Hopefully both do. The more good players in the league, the better off we all are.

Ahhh 6ers fan thinking protections added to picks to turn George into Markkanen. That is sweet.

[Daddy 801]

Yes, a 76ers all-in trade means Embiid is ready/healthy to lead 76ers into playoffs - and adding Markkanen is additive to what is in place (including Embiid).

Then I still hate the value. I’m not sure that team is materially better and it cost them everything that isn’t nailed down, plus Grimes walking in free agency. That last bit is happening anyway, but they keep their picks without doing the deal.

No one is taking PG at any price close to palatable when he’s probably not as bad as he was last year post-quitting. Another team would be insane to take on the risk, so they have to ride it out for now.

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

Tanking team is fine with him not playing. Tanking team is not ok with taking his contract on without significant first round draft picks. Same goes for Embiid.

[Wolveswin]

Then I still hate the value. I’m not sure that team is materially better and it cost them everything that isn’t nailed down, plus Grimes walking in free agency. That last bit is happening anyway, but they keep their picks without doing the deal.

No one is taking PG at any price close to palatable when he’s probably not as bad as he was last year post-quitting. Another team would be insane to take on the risk, so they have to ride it out for now.

PG isn’t a risk for a team tanking. He is additive. Tanking team is fine with him not playing.

Tanking team is fine with him not playing. Tanking team is not ok with taking his contract on without significant first round draft picks. Same goes for Embiid.

Yep. That is why 3x 1sts and McCain needed to turn PG into Markkanen.

[giannis and 1]

I mean, that's literally possible I guess, but man, that is not a good fit for the Bucks and those picks are a while away for the Jazz.

Hows that not a good fit for the Bucks? Giannis can play the 3 if needed.

Bucks can trade one future 1st. Portis/Kuzma/1st isn’t even positive value. No way - in the realm of being realistic - has Danny Ainge been sitting around waiting to trade Markkanen for a not even positive trade package.

Bucks can add first round swap in either 31 or 32 as well. Along with a decent cheap youngish rotation player like GTJ. A prospect like Markovic or Ajax can be added as well.