Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

[Kanyewest]

Mob gangsters would use Billups favorability to lure gamblers into poker games and rip them off.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/miami-heat-terry-rozier-charged-nba-betting/story?id=126789368

[AFM]

This gambling story is insane. Just saying, might want to look into Johnny Davis for this - dude was so terrible it must have been intentional. Going back into Wiz history, we might have a few involved - Eric Maynor, Omoruyi, Mahinmi, Bertans, Ike Austin.

I'm kidding, of course.

It really is amazing to me that NBA players and ex-players are willing to risk jail time for chump change in gambling. Rozier has made $135 MILLION dollars in the NBA! Billups made $107 MILLION as a player, plus millions more as a coach. The Rozier scandal involved roughly $13,000 in suspicious bets.

I'm sure you know this, but gambling isn't necessarily about the money. It's an addiction...

[Rafael122]

Toumani Camara -- the #52 pick ( nate ) in the 2023 draft just signed a 4-year $82m extension with Portland. Not bad!

This contract is probably what I would offer Bilal.

That's a real good observation. It's certainly a relevant comparison when the negotiations start. Camara is a little better defensively, and a little more durable, but Bilal, at his age, has a better chance of a break out after the contract is signed. I'd be very happy with something in the $20-22M a year range, even better if it's a declining contract.

If we have to pay the rookies the new norm, I believe Sharpe and Camara got between 82 and 90 million. That's what I would offer Sarr and Bilal at this point unless they make a significant leaps in their development. I just can't see $125 million or whatever it is that Christian Braun got.

[nate33]

This gambling story is insane. Just saying, might want to look into Johnny Davis for this - dude was so terrible it must have been intentional. Going back into Wiz history, we might have a few involved - Eric Maynor, Omoruyi, Mahinmi, Bertans, Ike Austin.

I'm kidding, of course.

It really is amazing to me that NBA players and ex-players are willing to risk jail time for chump change in gambling. Rozier has made $135 MILLION dollars in the NBA! Billups made $107 MILLION as a player, plus millions more as a coach. The Rozier scandal involved roughly $13,000 in suspicious bets.

I'm sure you know this, but gambling isn't necessarily about the money. It's an addiction...

I'm not talking about gambling. I get that guys like Michael Jordan are gambling addicts who crave the competitive nature of it. I'm talking about getting involved with illegally FIXING a gambling bet.

[closg00]

Revisiting the Spurs giving Fox the max after they knew their draft position, and that they would be taking Harper with Flagg off the board. Last night they did just fine with the 1-2 punch of Castle/Harper and Fox on the bench. I doubt if the Spurs max more than three players, so I wonder who is most-likely to be traded, Spurs fans were discussing this during the summer.

[nate33]

Revisiting the Spurs giving Fox the max after they knew their draft position, and that they would be taking Harper with Flagg off the board. Last night they did just fine with the 1-2 punch of Castle/Harper and Fox on the bench. I doubt if the Spurs max more than three players, so I wonder who is most-likely to be traded, Spurs fans were discussing this during the summer.

They traded a lot for Fox. They couldn't just let him walk.

Ultimately, they'll have to get rid of one of them. But they can wait a year and see if Harper is ready to take over as lead guard.

[closg00]

He has busted his ass for years and I always thought we should have kicked the tires on him as a 3rd PG, he probably can’t guard NBA guards.

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[Frichuela]

This draft trade of the Pels with Atlanta was brutal…

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[tontoz]

This draft trade of the Pels with Atlanta was brutal…

We have a better record than Jordan Poole

Yeah that trade was universally trashed at the time and could look a lot worse on lottery night.

[tontoz]

Revisiting the Spurs giving Fox the max after they knew their draft position, and that they would be taking Harper with Flagg off the board. Last night they did just fine with the 1-2 punch of Castle/Harper and Fox on the bench. I doubt if the Spurs max more than three players, so I wonder who is most-likely to be traded, Spurs fans were discussing this during the summer.

They traded a lot for Fox. They couldn't just let him walk.

Ultimately, they'll have to get rid of one of them. But they can wait a year and see if Harper is ready to take over as lead guard.

Harper is definitely ready. They need to get rid of Fox ASAP.

Castle isn't a good fit either. Teams are still ignoring him behind the 3 point line. On top of that he has 25 turnovers through 4 games. I would guess they eventually get rid of Castle and Fox once they realize what they have in Harper. It is so disgusting they got Harper after getting Wemby.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hindsight is 20/20, but with FVV down for the year, Houston paying $14 mil per for Adams seems like a bad use of cap room. I think they could have gotten away with a Capela/Sengun and Jabari small ball 5 lineup, but imagine they could have earmarked that room for a shooter.

Adams just had 12 and 12 in 14 minutes in a win. I'm just saying...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Toumani Camara -- the #52 pick ( nate ) in the 2023 draft just signed a 4-year $82m extension with Portland. Not bad!

Wowzers.

I would think 4/$60M should beèn have sufficient.

[tontoz]

Hindsight is 20/20, but with FVV down for the year, Houston paying $14 mil per for Adams seems like a bad use of cap room. I think they could have gotten away with a Capela/Sengun and Jabari small ball 5 lineup, but imagine they could have earmarked that room for a shooter.

Adams just had 12 and 12 in 14 minutes in a win. I'm just saying...

They probably brought in Adams to help them defend Jokic.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Utah has a mountain of cap space next summer. I doubt they let Kessler go.

Yeah, probably not.

It'll depend on how things go for Utah with the inevitable Markkanen trade and in their draft lottery, as well as the development of Ace Bailey. If they are still in a position where they have no viable star, they may need to jettison Kessler in order to keep tanking in future years. Sort of like how we got rid of Gafford, who is a good player.

That logic applies for us too. If we don't land a top 3 guy in this draft, we are also without a star and may not want to add a good young vet like Kessler.

But if we land Dybantsa or Peterson (or maybe Boozer) while Utah is stuck with the 5th pick again, then maybe we would want a win-now vet like Kessler more so than Utah would and we would be willing to pay more for him.

Markannen is pretty much a superstar in today's league. It would demoralize Utah fans if he were traded. I think Phil Handy wants to win with Markannen being the lynch pin until Ace Bailey starts taking over. They also have a winning rookie PG in Walter Clayton Jr.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yeah Tari Eason looks like the more obtainable target of all the players that didn’t extend.

That said I expect the Free Agents are all looking at next years salary cap bump from the new TV deals and are expecting to cash in.

Eason is a glue guy like Alex Caruso. He is a winner. The Wizards have budding wings in George and Coulibaly. They should probably hold their powder instead of breaking the bank on Eason as good as he is.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

None of Duren, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams were extended. All would make good targets for us I think. Draft Peterson #1 and I think we could start making some noise.

Other option would be to sign Trae Young who also didn't get extended. Then draft another big - Boozer or Dybantsa. Would also be a fun team.

I have no interest in Mark Williams because he is made of glass, but Duren and Kessler should definitely be considered. My guess is that Detroit would match any offer for Duren so that's probably not gonna happen. But Kessler is probably obtainable.

Count me out on any kind of Trae Young gambit. I don't think you can win with him.

On the money. I don't know whether "probably" but at least "possibly" & very worth the effort to try to make it work.

The other presumably "gettable" target is Eason -- the Rockets have been unable to work out an extension for him....

I think the Wizards should prioritize obtaining needs in free agency. So far, PG efficiency perimeter defense of draw and kick PGs seems to be #1. Rim protecting backup is #2.

[Rafael122]

Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.

[closg00]

Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.

All will be forgiven if Fears/Queen pan-out in 4 years, but the terms of the trade were Grunfeldesque.

[nate33]

Utah has a mountain of cap space next summer. I doubt they let Kessler go.

Yeah, probably not.

It'll depend on how things go for Utah with the inevitable Markkanen trade and in their draft lottery, as well as the development of Ace Bailey. If they are still in a position where they have no viable star, they may need to jettison Kessler in order to keep tanking in future years. Sort of like how we got rid of Gafford, who is a good player.

That logic applies for us too. If we don't land a top 3 guy in this draft, we are also without a star and may not want to add a good young vet like Kessler.

But if we land Dybantsa or Peterson (or maybe Boozer) while Utah is stuck with the 5th pick again, then maybe we would want a win-now vet like Kessler more so than Utah would and we would be willing to pay more for him.

Markannen is pretty much a superstar in today's league. It would demoralize Utah fans if he were traded. I think Phil Handy wants to win with Markannen being the lynch pin until Ace Bailey starts taking over. They also have a winning rookie PG in Walter Clayton Jr.

Yeah, Markkanen and Kessler are playing so well that it's going to be pretty tough for Utah to jettison one or both of them and reset the rebuild again. Maybe they're a buyer in free agency and just go after another guard like Mathurin. Throw in a top 8 pick in this draft plus Bailey, Clayton Jr., Isaiah Collier and Filipkowski and that's a fairly talented team.