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OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama?

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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#101 » by TheGeneral99 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:35 pm

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Clutch0z24 wrote:The Raptors should of at least tried to be in the sweepstakes for him the year that the writting was on the wall for the Siakam lead Raptors....Just imagine we pivoted in the 2022-2023 Season when we were already on our way to being losers....Even if we didn't land the prize in Wemby at least you give yourself a chance at it and from there on who knows what could have happend if the ping pong balls fall our way we have a potential dynasty in the making with Barnes-Wemby duo...Also Amen Thompson or Brandon Miller would not have been a bad consolation prize if we tanked good that season and got into the top 4.

There was a greater chance we end up picking someone in the 6-10 range than the 1-5 range. No offence, but I don't think a consolation prize of Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Bilal, Hendricks, or Cason Wallace is all that interesting to me.

Also got to think at that time the value Siakam/OG/FVV could of had if we actually tried to deal them instead of waiting their walk years to trade them/Let walk in free agency...We could of got alot more for Siakam thats for sure...
IDK how much more Siakam you think we were gonna get above and beyond what we ended up with. Jakobe/Ochai/Ingram/Shead (I think there is another pick or two I am forgetting) is probaby as good as it ever was going to get.

So many people at that time on the Raptors board were saying there is no point going for Wemby and it was a good move by Masai to get Jakob because Wemby will be either a Bust or Injured through his career.....Which imo won't be the case at all and he will prolly go down as an all timer when its all said and done...
Lol I really don't think anyone said there is no point going for Wemby cause he WILL be a bust. It was a way more nuanced discussion that said there is at best a 14% chance of getting a the #1 pick, and the x% of Wemby actually hitting his ceiling.

I know i was one of the Wemby supporters and advid "Lets tank" for Wemby guys on the board and now you are seeing what he can do while the Spurs tanked and moved on from the DeRozan Play in team they now hit on a few picks with Wemby/Castle/Harper you can say luck was on their side but you have to try to get lucky and they did and succeeded.
Yeah, SA got more lucky than anyone else I can think of in recent memory, maybe dating back to BOS with the BKN picks.

But it is a BIT to early to call Castle + Harper hits. Lets give them a bit of time before we jump the gun.


Don't really listen to your basketball knowledge because you once told me Gradey Dick is better than Austin Reaves at basketball thats how i know you are just a homer and delusional as a fan and you don't really know much outside of Raptors...

Harper and Castle are very much Hits and Raptors obviously should of played the rebuild game much sooner because we have been having bad seasons trying to compete for years now in the "Barnes" Era....Obviously the guys we have are not that good also don't mesh together on the court....We need to start a new not keep trying to win with a roster that simply can't...


To be fair, 4 years ago, almost no one (including every NBA GM and scout) predicted that undrafted Austin Reeves would be better than the national HS player of the year and lottery bound pick, Gradey Dick.
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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#102 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:38 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:There was a greater chance we end up picking someone in the 6-10 range than the 1-5 range. No offence, but I don't think a consolation prize of Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Bilal, Hendricks, or Cason Wallace is all that interesting to me.

IDK how much more Siakam you think we were gonna get above and beyond what we ended up with. Jakobe/Ochai/Ingram/Shead (I think there is another pick or two I am forgetting) is probaby as good as it ever was going to get.

Lol I really don't think anyone said there is no point going for Wemby cause he WILL be a bust. It was a way more nuanced discussion that said there is at best a 14% chance of getting a the #1 pick, and the x% of Wemby actually hitting his ceiling.

Yeah, SA got more lucky than anyone else I can think of in recent memory, maybe dating back to BOS with the BKN picks.

But it is a BIT to early to call Castle + Harper hits. Lets give them a bit of time before we jump the gun.


Don't really listen to your basketball knowledge because you once told me Gradey Dick is better than Austin Reaves at basketball thats how i know you are just a homer and delusional as a fan and you don't really know much outside of Raptors...

Harper and Castle are very much Hits and Raptors obviously should of played the rebuild game much sooner because we have been having bad seasons trying to compete for years now in the "Barnes" Era....Obviously the guys we have are not that good also don't mesh together on the court....We need to start a new not keep trying to win with a roster that simply can't...


To be fair, 4 years ago, almost no one (including every NBA GM and scout) predicted that undrafted Austin Reeves would be better than the national HS player of the year and lottery bound pick, Gradey Dick.


The argument wasn't "4 years ago" though it was Last year lol.
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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#103 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 31, 2025 1:02 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:
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Clutch0z24 wrote:Don't really listen to your basketball knowledge because you once told me Gradey Dick is better than Austin Reaves at basketball thats how i know you are just a homer and delusional as a fan and you don't really know much outside of Raptors...
No, I never said that. :lol:


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You may not have said it straight up but you basically did when i was saying Reaves was better than Dick and could score 20+ PPG easily in a "Dick" stats are inflated thread"...You were basically saying Reaves could not do it because he plays with LBJ and Davis....When hes playing with trash players atm with the Lakers and leading them to wins and getting you 30+ PPG without any of them :lol:

You always are a Raptors homer and you disrespect any player who is not a Raptor....But the players we have on our team are not as good as you think....We have some talent but not a team that is going to win anything of importance and you have been in denial about that for a few years now...
Gonna start with man its weird af how you take the time to memorize / keep records of what people say (but funny how you twist what was actually said)... you should be happy don't do that for you cause there would be some crazy stuff we could bring up without context as well.

But either way - for actual CONTEXT, at that time Dick was putting up 22ppg on 60TS% to begin his sophomore year and looked legitimately really, really good. And Reaves was coming off of a 16ppg season.

So yeah, saying so at the time that we should pump the brakes on a guy who was a 3rd noodle behind two HOF players was a very, very, very reasonable take to have. You make it sound like I said Reaves > Dick last week or something. But crazy what some actual context does hey?

And FWIW - the fact Dick can put up 22ppg on elite efficiency (for 8 games) and fall off a cliff maybe should have you settle down on your Reaves takes before he does it for longer than.... 3 games without Luka. :roll:
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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#104 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 31, 2025 1:03 am

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Don't really listen to your basketball knowledge because you once told me Gradey Dick is better than Austin Reaves at basketball thats how i know you are just a homer and delusional as a fan and you don't really know much outside of Raptors...

Harper and Castle are very much Hits and Raptors obviously should of played the rebuild game much sooner because we have been having bad seasons trying to compete for years now in the "Barnes" Era....Obviously the guys we have are not that good also don't mesh together on the court....We need to start a new not keep trying to win with a roster that simply can't...


To be fair, 4 years ago, almost no one (including every NBA GM and scout) predicted that undrafted Austin Reeves would be better than the national HS player of the year and lottery bound pick, Gradey Dick.


The argument wasn't "4 years ago" though it was Last year lol.

it was 8 games after he put up a 16ppg season and was currently putting up 17ppg as a third fiddle. Context man. It matters.
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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#105 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 2:01 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:No, I never said that. :lol:


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You may not have said it straight up but you basically did when i was saying Reaves was better than Dick and could score 20+ PPG easily in a "Dick" stats are inflated thread"...You were basically saying Reaves could not do it because he plays with LBJ and Davis....When hes playing with trash players atm with the Lakers and leading them to wins and getting you 30+ PPG without any of them :lol:

You always are a Raptors homer and you disrespect any player who is not a Raptor....But the players we have on our team are not as good as you think....We have some talent but not a team that is going to win anything of importance and you have been in denial about that for a few years now...
Gonna start with man its weird af how you take the time to memorize / keep records of what people say (but funny how you twist what was actually said)... you should be happy don't do that for you cause there would be some crazy stuff we could bring up without context as well.

But either way - for actual CONTEXT, at that time Dick was putting up 22ppg on 60TS% to begin his sophomore year and looked legitimately really, really good. And Reaves was coming off of a 16ppg season.

So yeah, saying so at the time that we should pump the brakes on a guy who was a 3rd noodle behind two HOF players was a very, very, very reasonable take to have. You make it sound like I said Reaves > Dick last week or something. But crazy what some actual context does hey?

And FWIW - the fact Dick can put up 22ppg on elite efficiency (for 8 games) and fall off a cliff maybe should have you settle down on your Reaves takes before he does it for longer than.... 3 games without Luka. :roll:


My whole point is you big up every Raptor player and over hype them to the moon....But when it comes to other talent across the NBA on other teams that someone praises you are quick to say they are not that good....It has been a pattern with you i noticed so i tend to take what you say about players with a grain of salt....This Reaves hate you had a year ago and bigging up Gradey which looking back you look foolish on....Is just one example of many ....
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Re: OT: Thoughts on Wembanyama? 

Post#106 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 31, 2025 2:34 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:My whole point is you big up every Raptor player and over hype them to the moon....
I seem to recall people, including you, constantly calling me a Barnes hater. I also am not even really a fan of Gradey Dick :lol:
But when it comes to other talent across the NBA on other teams that someone praises you are quick to say they are not that good....
And you are quick to hype up every player on other teams (and every single draft prospect) and like to gloat when you are right (but for some reason, we never see you bring up the misses... hmm.....)
It has been a pattern with you i noticed so i tend to take what you say about players with a grain of salt....
Oh no, what will I ever do? My feelings are crushed, truly.
This Reaves hate you had a year ago and bigging up Gradey which looking back you look foolish on....Is just one example of many ....
It is not hate to be skeptical of a 17ppg undrafted player from "easily" being a future 22-25ppg scorer. That is just being reasonable and not getting caught up in the hype. For every Reaves there is a dozen (or more) guys who amount to nothing from hot streaks.

Like man, you have your missed just as much as anyone else. Just most people don't care to bookmark everything and bring it up out of context.
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