The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[lolwut]

players are who they are. Gradey is always a shooter and will never be an average defender. We need to put him in the position to succeed not making him fail

Where's the shooting?

Hes a shooter in theory. Not in practice.

He's a shooter in theory because he's 6'7 and white.

[canz55]

I defended this kid endlessly.

His next contract will be less than the MLE (if he's lucky).

[Psubs]

players are who they are. Gradey is always a shooter and will never be an average defender. We need to put him in the position to succeed not making him fail

Where's the shooting?

Hes a shooter in theory. Not in practice.

He's a shooter in theory because he's 6'7 and white.

I wanted to draft Christian Braun, if Walker Kessler wasn't available.

[MEDIC]

2023 draft Keyonte truthers watching Gradey this season

George was my guy. I was bummed when they didn't draft him. He always looked like had the "it" factor in College. It will be interesting to see where his career goes.

[dballislife]

for a team that kinda sorta has scoring and shooting but desperately needs defense...gradey is not the answer

[CPT]

It's super cool that he can dribble and create slightly better than those other one-dimensional shooters.

He can't shoot as well as them, and his creation ability isn't actually good... but isn't it neat?

This guy is one of Darko's big developmental success stories, right?

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I’d like to introduce a stapler and bench to Gradey and Darko and just leave them all together till they figure it out.


Can we get Battle in the Gillette commercials?

[MEDIC]

It's super cool that he can dribble and create slightly better than those other one-dimensional shooters.

He can't shoot as well as them, and his creation ability isn't actually good... but isn't it neat?

This guy is one of Darko's big developmental success stories, right?

That's what I have been saying. He can do those things, but not at an NBA (or even GLeague) level......so who cares. He can do tv commercials, back flips & do tiktok dances too! Oh yeah.....and his last name is Dick everyone! So funny! He is a gimmick at this point.

Players need to be elite at something. If Gradey can't be a 38% plus three point shooter on high volume, then he is completely useless.

I have been saying this for.a while.now. He reminds me.of Bargnani, but just a lot less talented and useful. A guy who shows flashes of elite skill that keeps you interested to a degree, but doesn't have that dog in him to put it all together.

[hyper316]

I've seen enough, defence will always hold him back

Jakobe and Battle are ahead on my depth chart

[Wise80]

It's amazing he got the rep of a shooter. I feel like maybe it's the extra distance on 3s at the pro level. But right from day 1, it was pretty clear he wasn't a movement shooter who only needed a split second to get his shot off.

He's still young and can develop, but his game doesn't look like it's going to translate to contributing on a top 10 team. Sadly we got a lot of those guys on this team.

[Brinbe]

To get the most out of Gradey he pretty much needs to be among the featured scorers whenever he's on the court as that feeds into all the elements of his game he's ideally strongest at, which is volume scoring. He's shown he can fill it up at times, like when he and RJ were the main scoring tandem last season. Not saying it was perfect, but that was the best we've got out of him before things went south as the season went on.

But that's simply gonna be tough now when there's many players who are simply better at that on this team. So Dick's right now stuck in this role as an off-ball threat he's simply not efficient enough at it right now to make up for his defense.

Luckily, Battle fills that shooting/spacing role better right now and is more advanced with his game and more physically mature so he can also hold up okay on the defensive end too.

I think there's clearly some talent there with Gradey and he does a lot in terms of hustle plays which I like, but the physical traits/defensive lapses hold him back so ultimately he's gotta shoot/score at an elite rate to make it.

[PushDaRock]

To get the most out of Gradey he pretty much needs to be among the featured scorers because that feeds into all the elements of his game he's ideally strongest at, which is volume scoring. But that's simply gonna be tough when there's many guys who are simply better at it on this team. So he's right now kinda stuck in this role as an off-ball threat he's simply not efficient enough at it right now to make up for his defense.

So Battle simply fills that shooting/spacing better right now and is more advanced with his game and more physically mature so he can also hold up okay on the defensive end too.

He's going to need to wait for Ingram or RJ to get injured before he gets another opportunity. I've been questioning the fit on the roster since we got Ingram. At this point, he probably has little trade value other than a SRP potentially. So, I think you just let him keep developing and hope he steps up when he gets an opportunity which should be inevitable at some point.

There just aren't many backup wing minutes available and the stuff this team needs from guys filling in that role are not things he does well.

[anotherhomer]

To get the most out of Gradey he pretty much needs to be among the featured scorers whenever he's on the court as that feeds into all the elements of his game he's ideally strongest at, which is volume scoring. He's shown he can fill it up at times, like when he and RJ were the main scoring tandem last season. Not saying it was perfect, but that was the best we've got out of him before things went south as the season went on.

But that's simply gonna be tough now when there's many players who are simply better at that on this team. So Dick's right now stuck in this role as an off-ball threat he's simply not efficient enough at it right now to make up for his defense.

Luckily, Battle fills that shooting/spacing role better right now and is more advanced with his game and more physically mature so he can also hold up okay on the defensive end too.

I think there's clearly some talent there with Gradey and he does a lot in terms of hustle plays which I like, but the physical traits/defensive lapses hold him back so ultimately he's gotta shoot/score at an elite rate to make it.

i guess that sums it well....he can't play the role of JJ Reddick, and be a spacer....he needs to treated as a scorer....

why did we draft this guy

[PushDaRock]

To get the most out of Gradey he pretty much needs to be among the featured scorers whenever he's on the court as that feeds into all the elements of his game he's ideally strongest at, which is volume scoring. He's shown he can fill it up at times, like when he and RJ were the main scoring tandem last season. Not saying it was perfect, but that was the best we've got out of him before things went south as the season went on.

But that's simply gonna be tough now when there's many players who are simply better at that on this team. So Dick's right now stuck in this role as an off-ball threat he's simply not efficient enough at it right now to make up for his defense.

Luckily, Battle fills that shooting/spacing role better right now and is more advanced with his game and more physically mature so he can also hold up okay on the defensive end too.

I think there's clearly some talent there with Gradey and he does a lot in terms of hustle plays which I like, but the physical traits/defensive lapses hold him back so ultimately he's gotta shoot/score at an elite rate to make it.

i guess that sums it well....he can't play the role of JJ Reddick, and be a spacer....he needs to treated as a scorer....

why did we draft this guy

Same reason why they draft anyone, they thought he was BPA.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I can handle a front office making a mistake, or even look at it another way and say they hit a home run with Battle. What I’m not in any way supportive of, is refusing to accept that you made a mistake and continue to make it harder for your team to win.

For every person feeling sad that Gradey was supposed to be a star, how does Battle feel being a walking 3pt bucket and never getting any shine, attention or love from a team that needs shooting because they do t want people to think they made a few bad picks.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I can handle a front office making a mistake, or even look at it another way and say they hit a home run with Battle. What I’m not in any way supportive of, is refusing to accept that you made a mistake and continue to make it harder for your team to win.

For every person feeling sad that Gradey was supposed to be a star, how does Battle feel being a walking 3pt bucket and never getting any shine, attention or love from a team that needs shooting because they do t want people to think they made a few bad picks.

Battle played over 1000 minutes last year, more than half that draft class. What are you talking about? He's not better than Gradey at basketball. He's a better stationary shooter, but everything else isn't as good and that's why you draft players like Gradey and give them opportunities to develop.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's performing better than IQ, yet people some how think he's a bust.

[Grew]

I don't understand Darko at all. He's playing 4 young wings off the bench behind RJ and Ingram. How does he expect these guys to find a rhythm and produce. Gradey had one good game, now battle has had one. It will be eratic production from these guys until these guys are given opportunity and defined roles.

Ochai and Battle are the least dynamic and easiest to fit in "1 skill roles". Battle shooting, Ochai defense. Doesn't mean they are better players than Gradey or Jakobe.

Darko has little to no clue how to get something out of Gradey when we have so many other guys that need the ball. Last night, right before Gradey got benched, he curled a screen for a dunk, then next possession looked to come off a pindown, their whole team reacted to the incoming screen, and Scottie got an open driving lane to get to the line. Then we benched Gradey for the rest of the game. Our offense was TRASH, until Battle came in and brought back some spacing. Jack then proceeds to glaze battle about how his gravity as a shooter opens things up for other guys. The same gravity Gradey showed the possession before he got benched for no reason at all. I'm glad Battle had a breakout game but a large part of it was the fact he's not even on scouting reports, they had to adjust once he started making shots.

Ochai has been Darko's favourite so far, but he's been garbage. Darko doesn't even know what to do with these rotations. It's starting to look like he has no idea what winning looks like in this league. He can develop guys but once he's tasked with putting out a rotation that can win games he has looked inept so far.

I'll give Darko some time to figure it out, but pretty soon Bobby is going to have to make a deal and simplify things for him. We need a big for one or two of these wings ASAP. Darko is about to kill Ochai, Gradey and Jakobes careers trying to win via internal competition. None of these guys has gotten going. Young players need opportunity and structure that puts them in position to succeed, I'm not seeing it with his management of this logjam.

[PushDaRock]

I don't understand Darko at all. He's playing 4 young wings off the bench behind RJ and Ingram. How does he expect these guys to find a rhythm and produce. Gradey had one good game, now battle has had one. It will be eratic production from these guys until these guys are given opportunity and defined roles.

Ochai and Battle are the least dynamic and easiest to fit in "1 skill roles". Battle shooting, Ochai defense. Doesn't mean they are better players than Gradey or Jakobe.

Darko has little to no clue how to get something out of Gradey when we have so many other guys that need the ball. Last night, right before Gradey got benched, he curled a screen for a dunk, then next possession looked to come off a pindown, their whole team reacted to the incoming screen, and Scottie got an open driving lane to get to the line. Then we benched Gradey for the rest of the game. Our offense was TRASH, until Battle came in and brought back some spacing. Jack then proceeds to glaze battle about how his gravity as a shooter opens things up for other guys. The same gravity Gradey showed the possession before he got benched for no reason at all. I'm glad Battle had a breakout game but a large part of it was the fact he's not even on scouting reports, they had to adjust once he started making shots.

Ochai has been Darko's favourite so far, but he's been garbage. Darko doesn't even know what to do with these rotations. It's starting to look like he has no idea what winning looks like in this league. He can develop guys but once he's tasked with putting out a rotation that can win games he has looked inept so far.

I'll give Darko some time to figure it out, but pretty soon Bobby is going to have to make a deal and simplify things for him. We need a big for one or two of these wings ASAP. Darko is about to kill Ochai, Gradey and Jakobes careers trying to win via internal competition. None of these guys has gotten going. Young players need opportunity and structure that puts them in position to succeed, I'm not seeing it with his management of this logjam.

lol what do you want him to do though? There's like 30 mins available most nights to split among 4 guys. It's either trying to give them all a bit of an opportunity in more limited mins or benching 2 of them completely.

If these guys want more mins, they need to produce to earn them. Otherwise they need to wait their turn for one of Ingram or RJ to get hurt to get an opportunity.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's got to be a prick and limit the rotation to like his top 8.