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The biggest concern for why this team might not be good

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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#21 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Oct 31, 2025 4:35 pm

Charlie Sollers wrote:Look, folks, everyone knows it. The Raptors were a great team, a beautiful team, before Masai came in with all his big ideas that totally fell apart. He kept saying he had a plan, a brilliant plan. But guess what? No plan! Terrible roster decisions, no shooting, no direction, just chaos. Other teams are upgrading and winning, and we’re sitting around pretending everything is fine. It’s not fine. Masai should’ve fixed it, he didn’t, and now we’re paying the price. Very sad!


You're not selling this enough. More adjectives and superlatives to get the sarcasm across better. And maybe insist its the truth more.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#22 » by Bankai » Fri Oct 31, 2025 4:49 pm

This team has talent. Its not world beaters but im 100% convinced a better coach would do better with this roster.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#23 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:02 pm

5 games in...

3 of games on the road

Losses include: 4-1 Bucks, 5-0 Spurs, Rockets (considered contenders)

Loss against the Mavs was a bummer but it wasn't lopsided.

Doesn't get any easier as we face the Cavs on the road tonight to close out the month of October. But as I've said before, lets wait till the end of November before jumping to conclusions.

I expect us to go 10-5 in November.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#24 » by Jeremy Lin 7 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:20 pm

5 games in, you can clearly see fundamental issues. IQ is not a starting point guard in this league. New York fleeced Masai with the OG trade.

IQ can't guard a cone, call his own number WAY too much
Barret - is limited defensively,
BI - not a plus defender
Barnes - Only one who can defend, still has lapses, helping needlessly, dumb fouls, etc.
Yak - Looks retired

Not like the bench is anything is anything ride home about either. Only players of interest are Shaed (decent back up) and Walter (need to see more).

Dick - has no value, can't defend at a high level and doesn't offer anything offensively that offsets his defense.
Abaji - Done nothing 5 games in, looks like he's just a 5th player filling in.
Mogbo - no nba skills
Mamu - good back up,

Depressing time ahead. Maybe we would've been better off with Dwane Casey as GM.

At least CMB looks promising
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#25 » by Los_29 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:41 pm

Schedule has been very tough to start the year. Only had one home game then a pretty brutal road trip. They’ll figure it out. East has been all over the place. Magic, Knicks, Pacers and Celtics have looked awful. Meanwhile the Sixers are 4-0.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#26 » by MaliBrah » Fri Oct 31, 2025 6:21 pm

Raptors are in a similar place to where they were in 2013 before the Rudy Gay trade .. but this time we have like 3 Rudy Gays and we traded for one earlier this year lol

there's some good players on the team , the front office is clueless , the coaching staff is clueless and the team legit hasn't had a clue since the title parade
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#27 » by junot111 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 6:34 pm

The SL was obviously flawed and had a huge dependency on Poetl being healthy. It's clear now they need a change. One of Shead/Walter/Agbaji need to be inserted to have a POA defender, and keep Poeltl out until he's healthy with CMB or Mogbo in his place
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#28 » by Thaddy » Fri Oct 31, 2025 6:39 pm

junot111 wrote:The SL was obviously flawed and had a huge dependency on Poetl being healthy. It's clear now they need a change. One of Shead/Walter/Agbaji need to be inserted to have a POA defender, and keep Poeltl out until he's healthy with CMB or Mogbo in his place

Poeltl
CMB
Barnes
Ingram
IQ

This is probably the best path forward. Play conservative defense and don't pressure each time, no help one pass away, and better defensive and rebounding fundamentals.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#29 » by PushDaRock » Fri Oct 31, 2025 7:56 pm

Something we have to keep in mind is the expectations the last 2 years were mostly to just develop and winning was secondary. This year the expectations are to win games, but it's not really as simple as flipping a switch and changing everyone's mindset. This team still needs to learn how to win and right now they don't have some of the habits that winning teams do.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#30 » by Brinbe » Fri Oct 31, 2025 8:13 pm

It's not so complicated. The defensive scheme simple doesn't match the strengths of the roster so they're counter-intuitively just making it easy for the opponent to either call their own number or just pass around them and find easy buckets. In addition, most importantly, they have no effective size to counter opposing bigs so even if they do force misses they're easy food on the offensive glass and have no knack to swipe offensive boards of their own either. And they're not quite that good at offense that they can make up that difference.

That 2022 squad with Nurse couldn't shoot for sht but they were great on the offensive glass at least and forced a shtton of turnovers. This team is flawed as is but especially has no shot at competing without a replacement for Yak if he's not healthy.

So the front office/coaching staff can either face the realities of what's going on and act quickly or do nothing and lose their jobs in the process.

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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#31 » by traps#10 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 8:48 pm

I like Jak as a backup, not a starting C. I know he has a bad back but he’s slow footed and doesn’t spread the floor like we need him to.

Package Jak, Dick and Walters for a modern C who is athletic at least, and can shoot which is rare.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#32 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Fri Oct 31, 2025 8:49 pm

I never understood why they fired Masai, but then didn't clean house. That, or why Bobby didn't just didn't clear out the crappy Coach when he was brought back. It's been constant half measures.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#33 » by bluerap23 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 9:50 pm

We need guys that can defend in the SL. Shake it up.
Put in Shead and Ochai. Run the offence through Scott and BI. Move IQ and RJ to bench. Balance.
Acquire a big that can protect the rim behind Yak so we aren't totally fukced when he is injured.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#34 » by causal_fan » Fri Oct 31, 2025 10:33 pm

Poor FO, inept coach, terrible roster construction, horrid cap management.
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Post#35 » by Prestige » Fri Oct 31, 2025 11:22 pm

Regardless, Darko is not maximizing this roster makeup. This team isn't good, but he isn't able to find the right rotations and schemes to make it work. I would totally ignore contracts and pecking order and start benching players. Otherwise they will quickly spiral into another lottery season with a bad locker room and no chemistry.
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The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#36 » by Ducksplatt » Sat Nov 1, 2025 3:52 am

The biggest concern is this FO still believes they do not need a back up C. Like someone over 7 feet. Jak goes down and still nothing.
Stubborn.
Masai is gone but what has changed?


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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#37 » by mdenny » Sat Nov 1, 2025 4:36 am

Los_29 wrote:Schedule has been very tough to start the year. Only had one home game then a pretty brutal road trip. They’ll figure it out. East has been all over the place. Magic, Knicks, Pacers and Celtics have looked awful. Meanwhile the Sixers are 4-0.


The biggest concern is that we attempted to build the team around Scott Barnes who is a man-child that is STILL doing look-back dunks while his team is losing in his 5th season. We have no winning players now.

It's going to get ugly with Barnes. This whole Barnes fiasco is going to cost the franchise 6 to 8 years of incompetence. Unless Bobby has the guts to move on from him. We are currently in the third season of the Barnes era and we would be wise to not see what happens in the 4th and 5th.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#38 » by OhCanada » Sat Nov 1, 2025 7:17 am

Thd frontcourt has not been established. The plan has completely gone to **** with the loss of Poeltl. Players are playing in new positions and roles and responsibilities have been added. The teams adjusting and they have played against very good competition. Give it time.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#39 » by OhCanada » Sat Nov 1, 2025 7:20 am

mdenny wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Schedule has been very tough to start the year. Only had one home game then a pretty brutal road trip. They’ll figure it out. East has been all over the place. Magic, Knicks, Pacers and Celtics have looked awful. Meanwhile the Sixers are 4-0.


The biggest concern is that we attempted to build the team around Scott Barnes who is a man-child that is STILL doing look-back dunks while his team is losing in his 5th season. We have no winning players now.

It's going to get ugly with Barnes. This whole Barnes fiasco is going to cost the franchise 6 to 8 years of incompetence. Unless Bobby has the guts to move on from him. We are currently in the third season of the Barnes era and we would be wise to not see what happens in the 4th and 5th.

He's a fantastic player but he gets this label as a hardworking physical player but hes more of a premadonna, AAU celebrity than your FVV/Kyle Lowry got it from the mud type player. But hes more talented than they could ever be and you need talent.
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Re: The biggest concern for why this team might not be good 

Post#40 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 2, 2025 5:16 am

OhCanada wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Schedule has been very tough to start the year. Only had one home game then a pretty brutal road trip. They’ll figure it out. East has been all over the place. Magic, Knicks, Pacers and Celtics have looked awful. Meanwhile the Sixers are 4-0.


The biggest concern is that we attempted to build the team around Scott Barnes who is a man-child that is STILL doing look-back dunks while his team is losing in his 5th season. We have no winning players now.

It's going to get ugly with Barnes. This whole Barnes fiasco is going to cost the franchise 6 to 8 years of incompetence. Unless Bobby has the guts to move on from him. We are currently in the third season of the Barnes era and we would be wise to not see what happens in the 4th and 5th.

He's a fantastic player but he gets this label as a hardworking physical player but hes more of a premadonna, AAU celebrity than your FVV/Kyle Lowry got it from the mud type player. But hes more talented than they could ever be and you need talent.


I really don't see how he is super-talented. He doesn't have a good handle. He's not a good shooter. He's actually pretty lacking in intangibles like setting screens or rolling. But the biggest problem is that he's really, really immature. The one thing that he's elite or potentially elite in is team defense. Not so much man defense.

His career could get really really ugly and fast. Especially because the franchise has been trying to sell him as something that everyone around the team knows he is not. I don't want to say "like" Ben Simmons because i don't think they are similar people. But a different version of that same kinda collapse in reputation around the league. Simmons was clearly more talented than Scotty and Scotty doesn't hate basketball like Simmons does. But there is a huge potential for things to unravel this season in regards to perceptions of him.

I understand those who have a sensd of loyalty to him. It's his 5th season....his greatest contribution to the franchise were two great games against Philly in the playoffs. He's really not done amything else. He hasn't helped others develop. He hasn't done anything to establish a team identity. Siakam and Fred and Powell had all contributed more to the franchise after their second season than Scott has in 4 seasons.

The raptors are horrible right now. But they often look better when he's NOT on the floor. This does not project well.

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