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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#21 » by HornetJail » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:38 pm

Mavrelous wrote:This guy is a mystery to me, I like his game a lot, but impact stats hate him, and has been traded twice without much value assigned, and I never could put my finger on why...

impact stats usually hate everybody on actively tanking teams, and that's unfortunately where Sexton has spent the vast majority of his career. The 1st year of the Jazz's post Gobert/Mitchell era is the best team Sexton has played on

2019 Cavs: 19-63
2020 Cavs: 19-46
2021 Cavs: 22-50
2022 Cavs: 44-38 but Sexton only played in 11 games
2023 Jazz: 37-45
2024 Jazz: 31-51
2025 Jazz: 17-65
2026 Hornets: ???

not to say he isn't a flawed player, but he hasn't played on a functional team even once, so it's hard to tell. doubt that changes this year either but early returns are good here
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#22 » by Mavrelous » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:48 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:This guy is a mystery to me, I like his game a lot, but impact stats hate him, and has been traded twice without much value assigned, and I never could put my finger on why...

impact stats usually hate everybody on actively tanking teams, and that's unfortunately where Sexton has spent the vast majority of his career. The 1st year of the Jazz's post Gobert/Mitchell era is the best team Sexton has played on

2019 Cavs: 19-63
2020 Cavs: 19-46
2021 Cavs: 22-50
2022 Cavs: 44-38 but Sexton only played in 11 games
2023 Jazz: 37-45
2024 Jazz: 31-51
2025 Jazz: 17-65
2026 Hornets: ???

not to say he isn't a flawed player, but he hasn't played on a functional team even once, so it's hard to tell. doubt that changes this year either but early returns are good here

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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#23 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:58 pm

The issue isn't can he play or not. We know he is a good scorer. The issue is guards who can get you buckets with reasonable efficiency who aren't playoff level defenders can be had for min contracts every off-season. So when you make way more money than that, its hard to talk a team into coughing up a good asset for him.

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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#24 » by Daddy 801 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 7:57 am

Mavrelous wrote:This guy is a mystery to me, I like his game a lot, but impact stats hate him, and has been traded twice without much value assigned, and I never could put my finger on why...


He is a ball stopper. He doesn’t play good defense. He is a perfect selfish six man if a team is looking for that. And I’m not using selfish in a bad way. Some team may need that scoring punch type player.

But in this analytic driven world where a player has to be all things on the court he isn’t a good fit for how the vast majority of teams/coaches play. It’s rare to see a selfish sixth man type player anymore who coaches want. They would rather have a player who can’t “get a bucket” but a player who can shoot well, pass the ball and make quick reads, and play adequate to good defense.

Sexton could probably go to a team with a bunch of players thought more highly than him, win a one on one verse those guys thought more highly than him, and not get playing time because he isn’t playing team ball.

He seems like an awesome human. And I’m not trying to dog him. But his play style isn’t conducive to what coaches want anymore. He would have been way more valued 20-30 years ago.

Off the top of my head a team like the TWolves would be a good fit. Play him only sixth man mins that have Rudy on the floor at the same time. The defense would dip, but Rudy can still hold a defense well enough that Sextons offense (with Ant on the bench) and Rudy still in I think that lineup could still be a net positive.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#25 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Oct 31, 2025 8:06 am

Another one way scoring guard in a league where they arent valued.

I wouldn't expect much in return, maybe they can get a good team friendly deal and just keep him.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#26 » by Rich4114 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:14 pm

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Kalamazoo317 wrote:As a Pistons fan, I'd do Lavert and seconds.


The Pistons desperately need a guy like Sexton. I don't know how attractive that offer is for the Hornets, but the Pistons got carried away assembling physical guys who are plus defenders and forgot about needing to be able to get the ball in the hoop.


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Post#27 » by wemby » Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:51 pm

I thought the Jazz trade was surprising, I expected him to command a couple 2nd rounders at least. But yeah, his archetype and contract don't really warrant much more than that, matching expiring and a couple 2nd rounders from the right team feels like his ceiling.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#28 » by jbk1234 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 8:07 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:As a Pistons fan, I'd do Lavert and seconds.


The Pistons desperately need a guy like Sexton. I don't know how attractive that offer is for the Hornets, but the Pistons got carried away assembling physical guys who are plus defenders and forgot about needing to be able to get the ball in the hoop.


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I suspect that the Pistons value Stewart more than that. They haven't extended Duran.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#29 » by NYG » Fri Oct 31, 2025 10:55 pm

NYG wrote:LeVert and seconds seems like the most realistic deal.


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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#30 » by GoBobs » Sat Nov 1, 2025 1:50 pm

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GoBobs wrote:Started off the season hot!

18 ppg 4.8 ast in about 26 minutes, currently shooting 60% from 3 though four games. True shooting percentage of .702 :o

under contract for this year only at 19 mil

Ideal fit is a team that is going to contend this year or wants to. If he keeps playing well it would probably take a middle of the pack first round pick to move him.

Given that regression to the mean is a thing, is he a fundamentally different player than he was in Utah the past three seasons when he averaged 17.5 pts and 4.2 ast on 40% 3FG% and 60% TS% in about 26 minutes and the Jazz had to attach assets to him in exchange for an expiring Nurkic? Look, I love the kid, but I've been through this drill before — thinking that his value should be higher than it is. Reality bites.


I agreed with you when you wrote this, but since that time Sexton has continued to crush it in the other direction. Now 64% from 3, .736 true shooting percentage.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#31 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Nov 1, 2025 2:07 pm

He's a great offensive player, but he's so bad defensively that the NBA hates him. I would guess basically nothing unfortunately.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#32 » by mcfly1204 » Sat Nov 1, 2025 2:07 pm

I've always been a fan, but also see him as a fool's gold player. Undersized shooting guards who can't defend the position are going to be limited.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#33 » by SkyHook » Sat Nov 1, 2025 2:17 pm

GoBobs wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
GoBobs wrote:Started off the season hot!

18 ppg 4.8 ast in about 26 minutes, currently shooting 60% from 3 though four games. True shooting percentage of .702 :o

under contract for this year only at 19 mil

Ideal fit is a team that is going to contend this year or wants to. If he keeps playing well it would probably take a middle of the pack first round pick to move him.

Given that regression to the mean is a thing, is he a fundamentally different player than he was in Utah the past three seasons when he averaged 17.5 pts and 4.2 ast on 40% 3FG% and 60% TS% in about 26 minutes and the Jazz had to attach assets to him in exchange for an expiring Nurkic? Look, I love the kid, but I've been through this drill before — thinking that his value should be higher than it is. Reality bites.


I agreed with you when you wrote this, but since that time Sexton has continued to crush it in the other direction. Now 64% from 3, .736 true shooting percentage.

It's been one additional game, three more made shots; still an incredibly small sample size.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#34 » by jbk1234 » Sat Nov 1, 2025 2:50 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:He's a great offensive player, but he's so bad defensively that the NBA hates him. I would guess basically nothing unfortunately.


I don't think he's a starter, but with the right team (Pistons, Rockets, Raptors) he absolutely should have positive trade value as a potential sixth man. He should excel in that role on a team with too many defenders, but not enough offensive creation, and is on an expiring contract.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#35 » by GoBobs » Sat Nov 1, 2025 6:16 pm

SkyHook wrote:
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SkyHook wrote:Given that regression to the mean is a thing, is he a fundamentally different player than he was in Utah the past three seasons when he averaged 17.5 pts and 4.2 ast on 40% 3FG% and 60% TS% in about 26 minutes and the Jazz had to attach assets to him in exchange for an expiring Nurkic? Look, I love the kid, but I've been through this drill before — thinking that his value should be higher than it is. Reality bites.


I agreed with you when you wrote this, but since that time Sexton has continued to crush it in the other direction. Now 64% from 3, .736 true shooting percentage.

It's been one additional game, three more made shots; still an incredibly small sample size.


Your right about the small sample size, but it still could be his year to take a leap.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#36 » by Devilanche » Sun Nov 2, 2025 3:09 am

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I agreed with you when you wrote this, but since that time Sexton has continued to crush it in the other direction. Now 64% from 3, .736 true shooting percentage.

It's been one additional game, three more made shots; still an incredibly small sample size.


Your right about the small sample size, but it still could be his year to take a leap.


If you believe someone is a 50% 3 point shooter on decent volume , you keep and extend him rather than trade him.
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Post#37 » by ReggiesKnicks » Sun Nov 2, 2025 4:11 am

"If he keeps shooting multiple standard deviations above his career best then he is worth a 1st" is quite the used car salesman approach.

I get some of the people who have had to root for Charlotte want to be optimistic, but inject some objectivity in these sample sizes.
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Post#38 » by SkyHook » Sun Nov 2, 2025 4:13 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:"If he keeps shooting multiple standard deviations above his career best then he is worth a 1st" is quite the used car salesman approach.

I get some of the people who have had to root for Charlotte want to be optimistic, but inject some objectivity in these sample sizes.

I am certain, however, that Walker Kessler will remain a 75% three point shooter.
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Re: whats the Market for contract year Colin Sexton 

Post#39 » by Daddy 801 » Sun Nov 2, 2025 4:32 am

jbk1234 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:He's a great offensive player, but he's so bad defensively that the NBA hates him. I would guess basically nothing unfortunately.


I don't think he's a starter, but with the right team (Pistons, Rockets, Raptors) he absolutely should have positive trade value as a potential sixth man. He should excel in that role on a team with too many defenders, but not enough offensive creation, and is on an expiring contract.


So Orlando? Houston?
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Post#40 » by Daddy 801 » Sun Nov 2, 2025 4:33 am

SkyHook wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:"If he keeps shooting multiple standard deviations above his career best then he is worth a 1st" is quite the used car salesman approach.

I get some of the people who have had to root for Charlotte want to be optimistic, but inject some objectivity in these sample sizes.

I am certain, however, that Walker Kessler will remain a 75% three point shooter.


You accidentally put your font in green. We all know Kessler is the most efficient 3 point shooter in the league.

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