The Dallas Mavericks now have the 4th best defense and the 30th best offense, will defense win them the championship?

[mpoo_sin]

It will always be the worst trade in NBA history. Even now it already is. It will look worse and worse the more success Doncic is having.
I do not know if i will ever be able to get over it. Was a Mavs Fan since 1998 and thought i ll be for the next 10+years but Harrison completely eviscerated the spirit of this team.

[DC_Melo]

They should trade for Luka Doncic.

I’m kidding obviously… Nobody is dumb enough to trade away a guy like that as he enters his prime.

[41Dirk41]

Sadly you don't win with defense alone and have to actually have an above average offense also, but I guess you have to start somewhere. PJ Washington as your second leading scorer is also not a recipe for being a good offense, and that's not shade towards him, just the reality

Very true. The Kyrie injury, which happened after the Luka trade, was devastating to the Mavs. Their entire team building strategy relied upon Kyrie shouldering a heavy load offensively to balance the defensive focus at other positions. Kyrie would have been an All Star this year. Flagg is a great talent but he is a rookie and not a PG. It appears Kidd has realized he has no choice but to give D-Lo minutes.

So the entire strategy was a failure from the beginning, Irving is no more a PG (maybe he never was) and in PO he is limited because his size.

I appreciate you trying to think like it was a basketball trade but it was just collusion.

[Larry Ellison]

Sadly you don't win with defense alone and have to actually have an above average offense also, but I guess you have to start somewhere. PJ Washington as your second leading scorer is also not a recipe for being a good offense, and that's not shade towards him, just the reality

Very true. The Kyrie injury, which happened after the Luka trade, was devastating to the Mavs. Their entire team building strategy relied upon Kyrie shouldering a heavy load offensively to balance the defensive focus at other positions. Kyrie would have been an All Star this year. Flagg is a great talent but he is a rookie and not a PG. It appears Kidd has realized he has no choice but to give D-Lo minutes.

So the entire strategy was a failure from the beginning, Irving is no more a PG (maybe he never was) and in PO he is limited because his size.

I appreciate you trying to think like it was a basketball trade but it was just collusion.

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was collusion. Is it so crazy to think that Nico would look at supermax for Luka and wonder if it is the right path? They didn't know at the time that Kyrie would tear his ACL.

[Indomitable]

They should trade for Luka Doncic.

I’m kidding obviously… Nobody is dumb enough to trade away a guy like that as he enters his prime.

They got a pregnant AD
Broken Kyrie
and Cooper??

Yeah the Luka trade is trash.

[41Dirk41]

Very true. The Kyrie injury, which happened after the Luka trade, was devastating to the Mavs. Their entire team building strategy relied upon Kyrie shouldering a heavy load offensively to balance the defensive focus at other positions. Kyrie would have been an All Star this year. Flagg is a great talent but he is a rookie and not a PG. It appears Kidd has realized he has no choice but to give D-Lo minutes.

So the entire strategy was a failure from the beginning, Irving is no more a PG (maybe he never was) and in PO he is limited because his size.

I appreciate you trying to think like it was a basketball trade but it was just collusion.

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was collusion. Is it so crazy to think that Nico would look at supermax for Luka and wonder if it is the right path? They didn't know at the time that Kyrie would tear his ACL.

So the right path is to pay 33 yo street clothes plus or less the same money in next 3 years.... Yes of course

Come on. Don't insult the human intelligence.

[dirkdiggler4177]

The struggle has been real on offense. It looked much better against the Pistons. It will take some time to gel, but the team is filled with solid role players, so I think they will be okay.

[Bob8]

The struggle has been real on offense. It looked much better against the Pistons. It will take some time to gel, but the team is filled with solid role players, so I think they will be okay.

Yes, if Dlo continues to hit 7 3s per game, they might be alright.

[MrGoat]

Update: Offense still 30th, defense now down to 8th

The Mavs' next home game is against the Pelicans, if they lose that one there had better be a stadium wide fire Nico chant

[maverick_41]

Back in the day giving up 122 points against the Pistons wasn't considered a top-notch defense. It's hard to get used to new Mavs identity - 30 wins defensive brilliance.

[og15]

So the entire strategy was a failure from the beginning, Irving is no more a PG (maybe he never was) and in PO he is limited because his size.

I appreciate you trying to think like it was a basketball trade but it was just collusion.

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was collusion. Is it so crazy to think that Nico would look at supermax for Luka and wonder if it is the right path? They didn't know at the time that Kyrie would tear his ACL.

So the right path is to pay 33 yo street clothes plus or less the same money in next 3 years.... Yes of course

Come on. Don't insult the human intelligence.

Regardless of feelings about the trade, doesn't Kyrie make like $10-15M less per year than Luka in the coming seasons, or did I miss something?

[canada_dry]

The mavs fans are realizing a Anthony davis lead team hasnt done anything in this league even if he's relatively healthy.

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[nomansland]

Maybe win some games before talking about championships.

[41Dirk41]

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was collusion. Is it so crazy to think that Nico would look at supermax for Luka and wonder if it is the right path? They didn't know at the time that Kyrie would tear his ACL.

So the right path is to pay 33 yo street clothes plus or less the same money in next 3 years.... Yes of course

Come on. Don't insult the human intelligence.

Regardless of feelings about the trade, doesn't Kyrie make like $10-15M less per year than Luka in the coming seasons, or did I miss something?

Yes, and the funny thing is that the Lakers signed Luka for a lot less than the super max... Harrison works for them.
No doubt about it. That's sure.

[41Dirk41]

The mavs fans are realizing a Anthony davis lead team hasnt done anything in this league even if he's relatively healthy.

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Chill my friend, we all (maybe not all....) knew it even before the trade.

[og15]

So the right path is to pay 33 yo street clothes plus or less the same money in next 3 years.... Yes of course

Come on. Don't insult the human intelligence.

Regardless of feelings about the trade, doesn't Kyrie make like $10-15M less per year than Luka in the coming seasons, or did I miss something?

Yes, and the funny thing is that the Lakers signed Luka for a lot less than the super max... Harrison works for them.
No doubt about it. That's sure.

They couldn't even offer him the supermax anymore since he wasn't eligible for a supermax after being traded, but if Dallas had resigned him, there would have been an even larger gap between him and Kyrie's salaries.

[41Dirk41]

Regardless of feelings about the trade, doesn't Kyrie make like $10-15M less per year than Luka in the coming seasons, or did I miss something?

Yes, and the funny thing is that the Lakers signed Luka for a lot less than the super max... Harrison works for them.
No doubt about it. That's sure.

They couldn't even offer him the supermax anymore since he wasn't eligible for a supermax after being traded, but if Dallas had resigned him, there would have been an even larger gap between him and Kyrie's salaries.

Yes, Lakers got Doncic for peanuts and they pay him less than his value.

It's a huge bargain, probably Harrison has a locked spot in their organization for next 40 years... Unless Karma has another plan.

[SerialChiller]

Nope not in today's NBA. You have to be able to score...

And I see 22 Lakers fans voted in this poll so far .

[JHFVF07]

Without AD they arent the 4th defense. And there were ppl here trying to telling me Flagg would have more impact on winning than Doncic(from day one), cause he will play elite defense.

There's no winning when Dlo is your best offensive creator. AD is great on anchoring a defense and finish playes but he wont carry a offense.

[MavsDirk41]

Very true. The Kyrie injury, which happened after the Luka trade, was devastating to the Mavs. Their entire team building strategy relied upon Kyrie shouldering a heavy load offensively to balance the defensive focus at other positions. Kyrie would have been an All Star this year. Flagg is a great talent but he is a rookie and not a PG. It appears Kidd has realized he has no choice but to give D-Lo minutes.

So the entire strategy was a failure from the beginning, Irving is no more a PG (maybe he never was) and in PO he is limited because his size.

I appreciate you trying to think like it was a basketball trade but it was just collusion.

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was collusion. Is it so crazy to think that Nico would look at supermax for Luka and wonder if it is the right path? They didn't know at the time that Kyrie would tear his ACL.

So trading a generational talent who is 26 years old and just led your team to the finals the previous season was the right move? Especially trading him for injury prone Davis and Max Christie, that was enough? The trade was a blunder of proportion. There is no way i wouldn’t have paid Luka. Flagg is great but Luka is special.