World Series Game 7, November 1, 2025 - Dodgers @ Blue Jays, 8PM

[brwnman]

Great season. Hoping they can bring back much of this team next year including Bo and Bieber. Just need to upgrade the bullpen. This team with a Chapman added to the bullpen would have won.

If they try to replace Bo with a defensive specialist it will be a different story. Hopefully they learn from the leafs

Bo has to play 2nd base lol but depending on the money difference id go for Kyle Tucker

This is the time to splash the money around and go after the big fish. It's your best chance to get them when they have evidence that you were right there.

I actually think there's a better chance Jays miss the playoffs entirely than make it next year. Regular season and postseason... the stars were aligning.

[Raps in 4]

Where’s Randle?? Let’s hear him defend the walking human garbage bag called Varsho.

Varsho was useless with the bat, but his defense saved 3 runs. He wasn't the reason we lost.

IKF and Hoffman were the reasons we lost. Two guys that no serious team would be using in a high leverage situation of game **** 7 of the **** WS.

Varsho is the reason Jays lost this series. His defense saved one run. If he takes it on a bounce, only one run scores. His throw later on, gave Dodgers a run. If Teo actually advances like he should on that throw, Dodgers would have scored 2. But it's 0 net on defense. And he left 8 on base in Game 7 and 5 in Game 6. He comes up in any ONE of those situations, Jays win the WS.

Hoffman pitched well in other games and series to get the Jays to this position. Even IKF had big hits this postseason. Varsho had 0 consequential plays.

Varsho was one of the team's best hitters in the ALDS and the final month of the regular season. IKF was not good at any point this season or playoffs. He wasn't even a replacement-level player at any point.

Coughman was only "good" in these playoffs because he was mostly being deployed in low leverage situations with big leads. He's been giving up HRs to scrubs and blowing 1-run leads all season. This blown save was an obvious outcome.

[brwnman]

Varsho was useless with the bat, but his defense saved 3 runs. He wasn't the reason we lost.

IKF and Hoffman were the reasons we lost. Two guys that no serious team would be using in a high leverage situation of game **** 7 of the **** WS.

Varsho is the reason Jays lost this series. His defense saved one run. If he takes it on a bounce, only one run scores. His throw later on, gave Dodgers a run. If Teo actually advances like he should on that throw, Dodgers would have scored 2. But it's 0 net on defense. And he left 8 on base in Game 7 and 5 in Game 6. He comes up in any ONE of those situations, Jays win the WS.

Hoffman pitched well in other games and series to get the Jays to this position. Even IKF had big hits this postseason. Varsho had 0 consequential plays.

Varsho was one of the team's best hitters in the ALDS and the final month of the regular season. IKF was not good at any point this season or playoffs. He wasn't even a replacement-level MLB player at any point.

Coughman was only "good" because he was mostly being deployed in low leverage woth big leads. He's been giving up HRs to acrubs and blowing 1-run leads all season. This blown save was an obvious outcome.

He had hits in the first 2 games when the entire team was hot and Jays win without his hits/homers/rbis. Inconsequential to the actual wins.

After that, in 16 games, he had a .476OPS and 17 total bases.

With IKF, you're not expecting much to begin with, he's an end of the bench utility player who was thrust into this role because Bo was hurt. He wouldn't see an inning if Bo was healthy. Varsho was your regular CF.

[Raps in 4]

Bo has to play 2nd base lol but depending on the money difference id go for Kyle Tucker

This is the time to splash the money around and go after the big fish. It's your best chance to get them when they have evidence that you were right there.

I actually think there's a better chance Jays miss the playoffs entirely than make it next year. Regular season and postseason... the stars were aligning.

This was 2016 part 2. Our remaining core is a little more fleshed out this time, but it will still be several years at least before we get back to the playoffs.

[Brinbe]

The core is ancient though.

Gausman will be 35
Bassitt will be 37 and on another team
Scherzer will be 42 and retired
Berrios will be 32

Our only under-30 starter is Yesavage. That's a problem.

On the hitting side, Springer will be 37 next year, and he was our best hitter this year. He isn't repeating that output next season. Bo, our third best hitter, will be playing for another team next year. His replacement is the 32 year-old Santander.

This is a team that will be lucky to get a WC spot next year.

Cmon man that's not the core at all. At least try to have an honest argument. Pitching can and will can be replaced, especially all those those guys. And there's gonna be a plethora of arms available this offseason. And I'm sure they will try to get enough to get by. This FO are always aggressive and as much as I've criticised them, they've earned enough trust that they can construct a contending caliber roster because they did.

That's also part of what makes the game special. New names and heroes will emerge like they always do.

Being defeatist right after they dominated a dynastic level team and lost on a small margin is so weird. Even if they fall back to Earth a bit they should still be a wild card level team and all need is a chance at the postseason.

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

[brwnman]

Cmon man that's not the core at all. At least try to have an honest argument. Pitching can and will can be replaced, especially all those those guys. And there's gonna be a plethora of arms available this offseason. And I'm sure they will try to get enough to get by. This FO are always aggressive and as much as I've criticised them, they've earned enough trust that they can construct a contending caliber roster because they did.

That's also part of what makes the game special. New names and heroes will emerge like they always do.

Being defeatist right after they dominated a dynastic level team and lost on a small margin is so weird. Even if they fall back to Earth a bit they should still be a wild card level team and all need is a chance at the postseason.

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Ernie is going to be 30. Nimmala has been... not good after his hot start. Kirk has to prove it another year and with challenges, his framing skills will be less impactful.

Jays aren't the Rockies, but a lot had to go right for them to make the playoffs and I don't think Yankees/Red Sox/Orioles stand pat. Rays are always around.

[Brinbe]

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Ernie is going to be 30. Nimmala has been... not good after his hot start. Kirk has to prove it another year and with challenges, his framing skills will be less impactful.

Jays aren't the Rockies, but a lot had to go right for them to make the playoffs and I don't think Yankees/Red Sox/Orioles stand pat. Rays are always around.

30 isn't washed. And I thought he had a terrible start and turned it around didn't he? He's still years away though, but Parker was decent at least.

Never said they were contenders but they will be in the mix. Acting as if everything WILL fall apart on Nov 2nd is the stupid part. Just a miserable way to approach sports and fandom.

[Raps in 4]

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Ernie is going to be 30. Nimmala has been... not good after his hot start. Kirk has to prove it another year and with challenges, his framing skills will be less impactful.

Jays aren't the Rockies, but a lot had to go right for them to make the playoffs and I don't think Yankees/Red Sox/Orioles stand pat. Rays are always around.

We literally needed everything in the universe to go right for us to get here. This isn't a conventionally talented team.

We needed guys on their last legs and random scrubs to play like superstars. It's not a repeatable formula.

Our top prospects are 3-4 years out, and that's assuming they even pan out. We still have a weak farm system overall.

A core of Vladdy, Yesavage, Kirk, Barger, and Varsho can be built around in free agency, but it will require a payroll likely in the $300M+ range (Dodgers/Mets/Yankees level of spending).

[Duffman100]

Cmon man that's not the core at all. At least try to have an honest argument. Pitching can and will can be replaced, especially all those those guys. And there's gonna be a plethora of arms available this offseason. And I'm sure they will try to get enough to get by. This FO are always aggressive and as much as I've criticised them, they've earned enough trust that they can construct a contending caliber roster because they did.

That's also part of what makes the game special. New names and heroes will emerge like they always do.

Being defeatist right after they dominated a dynastic level team and lost on a small margin is so weird. Even if they fall back to Earth a bit they should still be a wild card level team and all need is a chance at the postseason.

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Yup just constant negativity. Reminds me of Scase.

[Brinbe]

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Yup just constant negativity. Reminds me of Scase.

I just think it's a reflexive Toronto sports thing to be relentlessly overly negative and it's so tiresome. I get the disappointment over last night but my goodness, this team is in a way better position to continue competing compared to those 2015/2016 teams.

And continuing to act as if Rogers doesn't spend isn't even rooted in reality. This isn't 2009 anymore
Ricciardi isn't GM.

[TheDunc]

Vladdy, Bo, Springer, and Gausman is literally the core.

Two guys are entering their late 30s (with one year left on their contracts) and one guy is leaving the team as a free agent.

This team needs to spend $150M+ this off-season to stay relevant. Rogers isn't doing that.

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Yup just constant negativity. Reminds me of Scase.

I will challenge anybody who chooses to be negative for the future. This group might have a few new faces but they can get back to the playoffs next year if they keep the core together

Things will have to go right again but thats always the case for any winning team.

I will not look at this season as anything but positive because something has to be said for coming literally a few outs from the world series

[lobosloboslobos]

I've lost too many times as a fan to be truly devastated but I feel for the players and the city.

IMO they should hold a parade for this team anyway. These guys had a magnificent season and spectacular playoff run. So many heroic achievements by so many different players. So many all-time great moments delivered with passion, solidarity, kindness, joy and tremendous appreciation for the fans and country. Nobody should be angry at them or diss them for failing at the end. The championship was down to a couple inches more than once. Sometimes it just isn't meant to be.

One of the most exciting series I've ever seen in any sport. Hail to the 2025 Blue Jays!

[brwnman]

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Ernie is going to be 30. Nimmala has been... not good after his hot start. Kirk has to prove it another year and with challenges, his framing skills will be less impactful.

Jays aren't the Rockies, but a lot had to go right for them to make the playoffs and I don't think Yankees/Red Sox/Orioles stand pat. Rays are always around.

30 isn't washed. And I thought he had a terrible start and turned it around didn't he? He's still years away though, but Parker was decent at least.

Never said they were contenders but they will be in the mix. Acting as if everything WILL fall apart on Nov 2nd is the stupid part. Just a miserable way to approach sports and fandom.

30 isn't washed, but he's not a .500 hitter. Vladdy isn't going to hit 1.200 to keep this team in the games. You can't say if they will or will not be competitive cause there's a whole offseason to go. But there are major improvements needed. The 'core' isn't good enough because some are FAs and a lot of them are aging. It's asking a lot. I don't have faith in Springer being anything close to what he was. Bo is consistently their second best hitter, so if he's not there, what do the Jays do? Bassit/Scherzer are FAs. Will Berrios bounce back? Can Gausman be effective next year a year older? Just a lot of question marks.

[Vampirate]

They literally have had a bunch of guys like Clement, Barger, Kirk emerge as key contributors and I don't think they're turning into pumpkins next year. They have Parker and Nimella in the pipeline. You're being too Toronto doomer bro. Take a breathe and relax. Robbers sucks but they spend. And they will spend on this team because they're a cash cow.

I swear to god you're acting as if they're the Rockies right now. They'll be in the mix like every other decent team. But they won't just do nothing after a post season like that.

Just super toxic garbage posting that ignores the last 3/4 months.

Yup just constant negativity. Reminds me of Scase.

I just think it's a reflexive Toronto sports thing to be relentlessly overly negative and it's so tiresome. I get the disappointment over last night but my goodness, this team is in a way better position to continue competing compared to those 2015/2016 teams.

And continuing to act as if Rogers doesn't spend isn't even rooted in reality. This isn't 2009 anymore
Ricciardi isn't GM.

It's all just going to depend on Vlad if he can replicate something like his 2021 or 2024 regular season and whether we're resigning Bo Bichette or not. Springer and Scherzer are soon to be gone due to age. Yasavage is completely up in the air due to teams not really having a scouting report on him.

Speaking of Vlad, I do believe that even if he was in his 2021 RS form, he'd still struggle mightily in these playoffs. It was arguably a good thing he went through his struggles early in his career so he'd have to fine tune himself and improve as a hitter overall because I don't think his 2025 playoff performance happens even with 2021 Vlad out there.

[Raps in 4]

Ernie is going to be 30. Nimmala has been... not good after his hot start. Kirk has to prove it another year and with challenges, his framing skills will be less impactful.

Jays aren't the Rockies, but a lot had to go right for them to make the playoffs and I don't think Yankees/Red Sox/Orioles stand pat. Rays are always around.

30 isn't washed. And I thought he had a terrible start and turned it around didn't he? He's still years away though, but Parker was decent at least.

Never said they were contenders but they will be in the mix. Acting as if everything WILL fall apart on Nov 2nd is the stupid part. Just a miserable way to approach sports and fandom.

30 isn't washed, but he's not a .500 hitter. Vladdy isn't going to hit 1.200 to keep this team in the games. You can't say if they will or will not be competitive cause there's a whole offseason to go. But there are major improvements needed. The 'core' isn't good enough because some are FAs and a lot of them are aging. It's asking a lot. I don't have faith in Springer being anything close to what he was. Bo is consistently their second best hitter, so if he's not there, what do the Jays do? Bassit/Scherzer are FAs. Will Berrios bounce back? Can Gausman be effective next year a year older? Just a lot of question marks.

On top of that, the Yankees and Red Sox will both be getting better, and the Orioles and Rays will likely have bounceback seasons. There isn't much to be optimistic about going into next season.

This was a fun ride, but it was very likely a one-off Cinderella run.

I don't think it should take too long to get back into the plauoffs, maybe 2-3 years, but it will require shrewd management, and I'm not sure this FO is up to the task.

[dafan590]

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[Yeezus_]

Never understood why we didn’t move Lukes out of batting second. It felt like a wasted out every time.

[Vampirate]

30 isn't washed. And I thought he had a terrible start and turned it around didn't he? He's still years away though, but Parker was decent at least.

Never said they were contenders but they will be in the mix. Acting as if everything WILL fall apart on Nov 2nd is the stupid part. Just a miserable way to approach sports and fandom.

30 isn't washed, but he's not a .500 hitter. Vladdy isn't going to hit 1.200 to keep this team in the games. You can't say if they will or will not be competitive cause there's a whole offseason to go. But there are major improvements needed. The 'core' isn't good enough because some are FAs and a lot of them are aging. It's asking a lot. I don't have faith in Springer being anything close to what he was. Bo is consistently their second best hitter, so if he's not there, what do the Jays do? Bassit/Scherzer are FAs. Will Berrios bounce back? Can Gausman be effective next year a year older? Just a lot of question marks.

On top of that, the Yankees and Red Sox will both be getting better, and the Orioles and Rays will likely have bounceback seasons. There isn't much to be optimistic about going into next season.

This was a fun time, but it was very likely a one-off Cinderella run.

I don't think it should take too long to get back into the plauoffs, maybe 2-3 years, but it will require shrewd management, and I'm not sure this FO is up to the task.

You can't regret the contract now because face it, without giving Vlad that $500 million dollar deal, this season+post season simply doesn't happen. However our payroll is likely to increase due Vlad's contract alone.

Letting Vlad walk would have pissed off our fanbase much more on our FO as who knows, maybe Vlad signing with the Mets pushes them into a post season with a long playoffs. We can argue with the contract but the FO avoided the worst case scenario. (also note Vlad's post season numbers is going to put pressure on any mid-small market FO to resign their (possible) superstars to mega contracts to avoid the what if scenarios, even if those same stars had struggling seasons prior.)

[DelAbbot]

I've never been this depressed in my life!

To think we were two outs from winning it all...

The missed opportunities in this game as well.. SMFH.. I love and hate this team at the same time.

I'm juat mad at this dumb **** organization. Even when we do something right, we don't do it fully right. Like, who the **** plays IKF in the WS? Who the **** has Lukes batting second? Why the **** did it take so long to move Varsho down? Why the **** did we not acquire a cloaer at any point during the season? Why the **** did we not demote Hoffman when it was clear for months that he wasn't an MLB closer?

Shapiro has been an MLB president/GM fpr a quarter of a **** century and he's still ringless. It's obvious why.

Same questions I have in my head. I had a hard time sleeping. Will take me a long time to get over this. I said after Game 6 that if you were serious about winning Game 7- Vlad needed to hit Second. Both Lukes and Varsho should be hitting outside the Top 5. That Clement needed to hit above Varsho. If I and a few others can see these things- why the **** does a guy like Shapiro and his buddy Atkins making millions not see these things?

I am still trying to figure out what value this front office saw in IKF? IKF is a better defender at SS/3rd base, but less so at Second. Why not give Davis Schneider the chance at Second Base, and have Loperfido on the World Series roster as a Pinch Runner who is faster? There is a reason why Shapiro has won Jack. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him for many more years now, along with his buddy Atkins.

You guys are taking this way too hard - I had similar disappointments back in 2015 vs Royals and 2020 Raptors ECF vs Boston. But it's just a game, played by some dudes who wear the name of our city.

It's a beautiful day outside today.

[TOStateofMind]

Never understood why we didn’t move Lukes out of batting second. It felt like a wasted out every time.

It really was insane work to not have all your best performing guys at the top in a game 7. They really had Lukes 2nd again and ernie hitting 8th. Dave Roberts actually understood the assignment and moved will smith and muncy up and mookie and teo down.