Just for fun: What do you do to go all in on this team?

[DuckIII]

Teams likely to have significant capspace in 2026:
Chicago, Washington, Brooklyn, LAL, Portland?, Utah?

Maybe a few others. Overall, not quite as bad as what I thought but given the age of the players, Huerter and Coby might be high on some of these teams' lists.

I'm not so sure about Ayo being above MLE. If one of these teams doesn't want to use up a significant chunk of their capspace on him I'm not sure he gets it. Huerter maybe too. Vucevic definitely. No way he gets above MLE.

IMO, Coby is about to get paaaaiiiid and should be on a short list to trade.

Standard MLE is $14m. Bulls may be able to re-sign most of their guys not named Coby for around $18m.

This is an excellent point and I have not factored it in, but should have. I have been thinking of it more along the lines of "Immanuel Quickly makes $33 million per year and Ayo is better than him and contracts are still going up" type of way.

But if there aren't teams out there to create a real threat of payment that changes things.

[Red Larrivee]

coby still has a really really wide range of outcomes in free agency depending on how he plays this season, imo. a year in line with his career averages — about average efficiency, good-not-great 3pt shooting — and he's locking himself in as a "you probably ideally want him as a 6th man guy, and he's not even that good in that role" type player. i don't think that touches $20m/year, necessarily.

if he plays in line with his second half numbers from last year, he's probably pushing for at least $30m a year and could well find a taker given the paucity of other options.

unfortunately, we should probably be more motivated to keep him the more expensive he gets

I agree with this. At the same time, Coby's role seems the most expendable or replaceable of our top players, especially as Buzelis becomes more of a go-to option in the offense.

Shaedon Sharpe's deal could be a reasonable comp for Coby at 4/90. But, I'd still ask myself if there's a player who fits a little better that we could hunt for.

[DuckIII]

if we're talking about going all in — one 3d chess move could be to try to trade coby to fill the long-term hole at center and then make a play for austin reaves in free agency next year

Or just trade him and then not spend that money on a non-Bulls shooting guard at all. That's the way I'm looking at this. Reduce the number of players we play and pay. Trade multiple guys, collectively or individually, for less on-court contributors. I.e., consolidation or pick trades or both.

The same would apply to trading Ayo/Huerter instead, though Coby would presumably have the most trade value.

[Jcool0]

Let's just add Zion to the "very good player with name value, but doesn't fit" tier:

Ja Morant
Trae Young
Domantas Sabonis
Zion Williamson

How does Zion not fit? He isn't taking anything away from Giddey. He is only a risk in staying healthy. He has been a high positive player his entire career. To get a true superstar they are going to want Matas and i don't see the Bulls as good enough for that to be okay.

He doesn't play like a traditional PF with a 2-man game with a PG, he's an iso player. We run the least iso's of any team in the league. He's probably more like Derozan but more bully-ball, at the end of the day he's looking for an iso and wants to muscle into contact to get to the FT line and he doesn't shoot 3s and not a great defender. Stylistically it's as big a clash with our current play as Derozan was.

What's unknown is if this is how he wants to play or it's just how Willie Green coaches. He's been the only coach in NOP for a long time. Maybe Zion would love to be more assisted.

He would be more traditional here with a real PG and not in the mess that is New Orleans. I not saying i love the idea. But we don't have the team to trade for a 27 year old 5x All NBA player.

[jnrjr79]

Disagree.

CF showed above how we can keep everyone even if they get paid market value. Don’t think any of these guys think they are the man and want to prove how great they are on an up and coming team. Ayo is a Chicago kid too. Don’t think anyone gets crazy overpaid enough that AK doesn’t give a competitive offer either.

He will want to prove how great his build is.

If guys do get crazy overpaid I think we can find underpaid vets to quite a bit of what we are seeing. The beauty is the brand of hoops we are playing. Who doesn’t want to play with competitive unselfish players?

Those are assumed market values that are going to be greatly impacted by team success. How much do you think Ayo's stock has gone up, just him?

Plus we have to pay Matas in two years and Its probably going to be a max. We need to consolidate some of these guys into less players that fit a need - specifically a center who fits what we are trying to do. No matter how well he plays this year, Vuc is done as a Bull. Which is another part of how different we are going to be, and soon.

Or we need to trade some of them off individually for draft assets for the war chest. We are going to have to pick between some of these guys or its going to hurt the long term outlook of the team. And we finally have a long term outlook that doesn't blow. So lets not screw it up by falling too much in love with something that can't be sustained. We get a small window to maximize these assets and take advantage of their rapidly increasing value.

Showing my age but I believe about 20 years or so ago you were pushing the fact that the Bulls needed to do a consolidation trade before they handed out extensions. You were correct then and you are correct now. Back in 2005 or so, the Bulls were in a fantastic position and ended up squandering it away on a terrible free agent (Ben Wallace), a bad trade (Tyson Chandler) and then couldn't afford their own guys and let Gordon walk for nothing when he had value in 2005. The Bulls saved themselves by being gifted Noah and Rose but they had successfully turned a good situation into a bad one.

This really feels the same right now and its kind of why I made the thread.

Chicago's assets:
Shouldn't trade - Giddey and Matas
Available for the right deal - All future picks, Portland pick, Coby, Noa, Patrick, Ayo, Jones
Should be eminently available - Vucevic, Collins, Huerter, Okoro, Smith, Carter, Terry

Chicago doesn't have to trade them all but trading several of them for one guy better than what Chicago has should be a priority. The hard part: Age, fit and contract matter. Identifying the right guy and convincing someone to trade them is the biggest challenge. We don't want to Ben Wallace this up.

Last note: Free agency really doesn't appear to be a solution. The names are terrible. The best free agents are the ones that will be leaving Chicago and this is a huge reason to trade them NOW.

Yeah, the Bulls are projected to have cap space, but outside of Hartenstein, there are not a lot of exciting options out there. Better to use that cap space in the form of expirings this season, IMO.

[ScrantonBulls]

Disagree.

CF showed above how we can keep everyone even if they get paid market value. Don’t think any of these guys think they are the man and want to prove how great they are on an up and coming team. Ayo is a Chicago kid too. Don’t think anyone gets crazy overpaid enough that AK doesn’t give a competitive offer either.

He will want to prove how great his build is.

If guys do get crazy overpaid I think we can find underpaid vets to quite a bit of what we are seeing. The beauty is the brand of hoops we are playing. Who doesn’t want to play with competitive unselfish players?

Those are assumed market values that are going to be greatly impacted by team success. How much do you think Ayo's stock has gone up, just him?

Plus we have to pay Matas in two years and Its probably going to be a max. We need to consolidate some of these guys into less players that fit a need - specifically a center who fits what we are trying to do. No matter how well he plays this year, Vuc is done as a Bull. Which is another part of how different we are going to be, and soon.

Or we need to trade some of them off individually for draft assets for the war chest. We are going to have to pick between some of these guys or its going to hurt the long term outlook of the team. And we finally have a long term outlook that doesn't blow. So lets not screw it up by falling too much in love with something that can't be sustained. We get a small window to maximize these assets and take advantage of their rapidly increasing value.

Showing my age but I believe about 20 years or so ago you were pushing the fact that the Bulls needed to do a consolidation trade before they handed out extensions. You were correct then and you are correct now. Back in 2005 or so, the Bulls were in a fantastic position and ended up squandering it away on a terrible free agent (Ben Wallace), a bad trade (Tyson Chandler) and then couldn't afford their own guys and let Gordon walk for nothing when he had value in 2005. The Bulls saved themselves by being gifted Noah and Rose but they had successfully turned a good situation into a bad one.

This really feels the same right now and its kind of why I made the thread.

Chicago's assets:
Shouldn't trade - Giddey and Matas
Available for the right deal - All future picks, Portland pick, Coby, Noa, Patrick, Ayo, Jones
Should be eminently available - Vucevic, Collins, Huerter, Okoro, Smith, Carter, Terry

Chicago doesn't have to trade them all but trading several of them for one guy better than what Chicago has should be a priority. The hard part: Age, fit and contract matter. Identifying the right guy and convincing someone to trade them is the biggest challenge. We don't want to Ben Wallace this up.

Last note: Free agency really doesn't appear to be a solution. The names are terrible. The best free agents are the ones that will be leaving Chicago and this is a huge reason to trade them NOW.

Completely agree with everything you said. I posted earlier that the Bulls should really try to consolidate talent, with Matas and Giddey being the only "untouchables". We can resign everybody, and as fun as this team full of "good" players have been, you need to have high end talent come playoff time. We won't be able to resign them all either. If we do, I still don't think it's a championship team.

I've mentioned it before, but I'd be in favor of the Bulls trying to pry either Lively or Gafford from the Mavs. The Mavs have a glut of big man talent. If you could go for a guy like Adebayo, even better, but I don't know if he'd be available. If the Mavs are for it, I would definitely try a trade revolving around Coby for Lively. I think It will depend on whether the Mavs are willing to go into cap hell to resign Coby. The Adelson's are filthy rich however.

[GoBlue72391]

I'd take a risk on a toxic player if they were a superstar/top 5 player(or on the cusp of it).

Ja Morant is not that guy and he might be out of the league pretty soon.

No shot he's out of the league anytime soon.

[GoBlue72391]

I'm gonna get a ton of flack for this, but reading through all the names in this thread, most of them are super talented but poor fits for this roster. There hasn't been a single guy named in here who's likely to be available and would be a great fit for this team.

Except for one guy: Lauri.

I know this board has a hate boner for him, but he's a super efficient 3-level volume scorer who has a great off-ball game, doesn't need the ball in his hands, can run the floor, is a solid rebounder and defender, and could slot in equally at SF or PF and would give us a spot minutes small ball 5 option.

Remember, he's been the SF the majority of the time he's been in Utah. There's a lot of misinformation saying he can only play PF and is a terrible defender.

I know it'll never happen and I'm not even advocating for it because Ainge's asking price for Lauri will be through the roof, but strictly speaking in terms of availability and fit, Lauri is near or at the top of the list, even if many of us are too bitter to admit it.

[coldfish]

I'm gonna get a ton of flack for this, but reading through all the names in this thread, most of them are super talented but poor fits for this roster. There hasn't been a single guy named in here who's likely to be available and would be a great fit for this team.

Except for one guy: Lauri.

I know this board has a hate boner for him, but he's a super efficient 3-level volume scorer who has a great off-ball game, doesn't need the ball in his hands, can run the floor, is a solid rebounder and defender, and could slot in equally at SF or PF and would give us a spot minutes small ball 5 option.

Remember, he's been the SF the majority of the time he's been in Utah. There's a lot of misinformation saying he can only play PF and is a terrible defender.

I know it'll never happen and I'm not even advocating for it because Ainge's asking price for Lauri will be through the roof, but strictly speaking in terms of availability and fit, Lauri is near or at the top of the list, even if many of us are too bitter to admit it.

1. Lauri makes almost $50m per year. That by itself is a problem.
2. Lauri has always been a poor passer. His 7.5% assist rate for both last year and career would have him as one of the lowest on the Bulls.
3. He still isn't a good rebounder or defender. Note that the Jazz were the worst defensive team in the NBA last year and Markkanen had no impact on that statistically.

I really don't see that he is a perfect fit for what the Bulls are doing. There are certainly some positives, like his shooting but there are negatives too. Overall I think he is like most of the other names in this thread, pluses and minuses.

Like you said, Ainge would ask for like 4 1sts or something for Lauri. If the team was going to do that, I would rather get JJJ or Bam.

[GoBlue72391]

I'm gonna get a ton of flack for this, but reading through all the names in this thread, most of them are super talented but poor fits for this roster. There hasn't been a single guy named in here who's likely to be available and would be a great fit for this team.

Except for one guy: Lauri.

I know this board has a hate boner for him, but he's a super efficient 3-level volume scorer who has a great off-ball game, doesn't need the ball in his hands, can run the floor, is a solid rebounder and defender, and could slot in equally at SF or PF and would give us a spot minutes small ball 5 option.

Remember, he's been the SF the majority of the time he's been in Utah. There's a lot of misinformation saying he can only play PF and is a terrible defender.

I know it'll never happen and I'm not even advocating for it because Ainge's asking price for Lauri will be through the roof, but strictly speaking in terms of availability and fit, Lauri is near or at the top of the list, even if many of us are too bitter to admit it.

1. Lauri makes almost $50m per year. That by itself is a problem.
2. Lauri has always been a poor passer. His 7.5% assist rate for both last year and career would have him as one of the lowest on the Bulls.
3. He still isn't a good rebounder or defender. Note that the Jazz were the worst defensive team in the NBA last year and Markkanen had no impact on that statistically.

I really don't see that he is a perfect fit for what the Bulls are doing. There are certainly some positives, like his shooting but there are negatives too. Overall I think he is like most of the other names in this thread, pluses and minuses.

Like you said, Ainge would ask for like 4 1sts or something for Lauri. If the team was going to do that, I would rather get JJJ or Bam.

1. Pretty much every guy discussed in this thread is on a max contract.

2. No arguments there, but fortunately we don't need him for that. He's not a ballhog, he's a willing passer.

3. His defense and rebounding are fine, especially for a SF. 8-9 RPG is elite for a SF, which is what he averaged in 22-23 and 23-24. He's not a game changer defensively, but he's not going to hurt you on that end either. He guards the perimeter which limits him being targeted in the post, where he struggles.

I didn't say he's a perfect fit, but he's the best fit amongst the names mentioned. Offensively he's an ideal fit, and for defense I'm imagining us moving on from Vuc after the season and pursuing a defensive minded C.

How likely is Bam to be available? JJJ I could see being available, but I personally don't want him.

[coldfish]

I'm gonna get a ton of flack for this, but reading through all the names in this thread, most of them are super talented but poor fits for this roster. There hasn't been a single guy named in here who's likely to be available and would be a great fit for this team.

Except for one guy: Lauri.

I know this board has a hate boner for him, but he's a super efficient 3-level volume scorer who has a great off-ball game, doesn't need the ball in his hands, can run the floor, is a solid rebounder and defender, and could slot in equally at SF or PF and would give us a spot minutes small ball 5 option.

Remember, he's been the SF the majority of the time he's been in Utah. There's a lot of misinformation saying he can only play PF and is a terrible defender.

I know it'll never happen and I'm not even advocating for it because Ainge's asking price for Lauri will be through the roof, but strictly speaking in terms of availability and fit, Lauri is near or at the top of the list, even if many of us are too bitter to admit it.

1. Lauri makes almost $50m per year. That by itself is a problem.
2. Lauri has always been a poor passer. His 7.5% assist rate for both last year and career would have him as one of the lowest on the Bulls.
3. He still isn't a good rebounder or defender. Note that the Jazz were the worst defensive team in the NBA last year and Markkanen had no impact on that statistically.

I really don't see that he is a perfect fit for what the Bulls are doing. There are certainly some positives, like his shooting but there are negatives too. Overall I think he is like most of the other names in this thread, pluses and minuses.

Like you said, Ainge would ask for like 4 1sts or something for Lauri. If the team was going to do that, I would rather get JJJ or Bam.

1. Pretty much every guy discussed in this thread is on a max contract.

2. No arguments there, but fortunately we don't need him for that. He's not a ballhog, he's a willing passer.

3. His defense and rebounding are fine, especially for a SF. 8-9 RPG is elite for a SF, which is what he averaged in 22-23 and 23-24. He's not a game changer defensively, but he's not going to hurt you on that end either. He guards the perimeter which limits him being targeted in the post, where he struggles.

I didn't say he's a perfect fit, but he's the best fit amongst the names mentioned. Offensively he's an ideal fit, and for defense I'm imagining us moving on from Vuc after the season and pursuing a defensive minded C.

How likely is Bam to be available? JJJ I could see being available, but I personally don't want him.

1. Not everyone. Kessler. Hartenstein. There have been several others.
2. He is a slow passer. I don't think he is a ball hog but the ping pong type passing the bulls have had isn't Lauri's forte.

Overall I think he is in the mix for availability and fit. Not a clear #1 but not to be discredited either.

Not sure about Bam or JJJ's availability. I think Miami is going to be bad so maybe but they always seem to be able to be competitive.

JJJ is my favorite. The Bulls need a center. He is 26. His contract isn't awful. He can shoot, help and switch and move without the ball. Some rebounding concerns but no one is perfect.

[GoBlue72391]

1. Lauri makes almost $50m per year. That by itself is a problem.
2. Lauri has always been a poor passer. His 7.5% assist rate for both last year and career would have him as one of the lowest on the Bulls.
3. He still isn't a good rebounder or defender. Note that the Jazz were the worst defensive team in the NBA last year and Markkanen had no impact on that statistically.

I really don't see that he is a perfect fit for what the Bulls are doing. There are certainly some positives, like his shooting but there are negatives too. Overall I think he is like most of the other names in this thread, pluses and minuses.

Like you said, Ainge would ask for like 4 1sts or something for Lauri. If the team was going to do that, I would rather get JJJ or Bam.

1. Pretty much every guy discussed in this thread is on a max contract.

2. No arguments there, but fortunately we don't need him for that. He's not a ballhog, he's a willing passer.

3. His defense and rebounding are fine, especially for a SF. 8-9 RPG is elite for a SF, which is what he averaged in 22-23 and 23-24. He's not a game changer defensively, but he's not going to hurt you on that end either. He guards the perimeter which limits him being targeted in the post, where he struggles.

I didn't say he's a perfect fit, but he's the best fit amongst the names mentioned. Offensively he's an ideal fit, and for defense I'm imagining us moving on from Vuc after the season and pursuing a defensive minded C.

How likely is Bam to be available? JJJ I could see being available, but I personally don't want him.

1. Not everyone. Kessler. Hartenstein. There have been several others.
2. He is a slow passer. I don't think he is a ball hog but the ping pong type passing the bulls have had isn't Lauri's forte.

Overall I think he is in the mix for availability and fit. Not a clear #1 but not to be discredited either.

Not sure about Bam or JJJ's availability. I think Miami is going to be bad so maybe but they always seem to be able to be competitive.

JJJ is my favorite. The Bulls need a center. He is 26. His contract isn't awful. He can shoot, help and switch and move without the ball. Some rebounding concerns but no one is perfect.

JJJ gives me a lot of pause due to his poor rebounding. Matas isn't exactly a great rebounder either, so having the starting PF and C struggling to barely average 10 RPG between the two of them is a no go IMO. Giddey would be our only plus rebounder in the starting lineup.

All these players being discussed have flaws, but that is probably the most glaring.

[DuckIII]

I’m no Lauri hater but he isn’t a target at all to me. If you are playing 3-5 and can’t defend at a plus level it’s a hard pass for me with what we are trying to do.

[Senor Chang]

1. Pretty much every guy discussed in this thread is on a max contract.

2. No arguments there, but fortunately we don't need him for that. He's not a ballhog, he's a willing passer.

3. His defense and rebounding are fine, especially for a SF. 8-9 RPG is elite for a SF, which is what he averaged in 22-23 and 23-24. He's not a game changer defensively, but he's not going to hurt you on that end either. He guards the perimeter which limits him being targeted in the post, where he struggles.

I didn't say he's a perfect fit, but he's the best fit amongst the names mentioned. Offensively he's an ideal fit, and for defense I'm imagining us moving on from Vuc after the season and pursuing a defensive minded C.

How likely is Bam to be available? JJJ I could see being available, but I personally don't want him.

1. Not everyone. Kessler. Hartenstein. There have been several others.
2. He is a slow passer. I don't think he is a ball hog but the ping pong type passing the bulls have had isn't Lauri's forte.

Overall I think he is in the mix for availability and fit. Not a clear #1 but not to be discredited either.

Not sure about Bam or JJJ's availability. I think Miami is going to be bad so maybe but they always seem to be able to be competitive.

JJJ is my favorite. The Bulls need a center. He is 26. His contract isn't awful. He can shoot, help and switch and move without the ball. Some rebounding concerns but no one is perfect.

JJJ gives me a lot of pause due to his poor rebounding. Matas isn't exactly a great rebounder either, so having the starting PF and C struggling to barely average 10 RPG between the two of them is a no go IMO. Giddey would be our only plus rebounder in the starting lineup.

All these players being discussed have flaws, but that is probably the most glaring.

Im okay with JJJ rebounding woes. Myles turner isn’t much of a rebounder either but what he does bring to the table can instantly make us a contender. Giddy is a good enough rebounder to help offset JJJ’s lack of rebounding.


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[NecessaryEvil]

coby still has a really really wide range of outcomes in free agency depending on how he plays this season, imo. a year in line with his career averages — about average efficiency, good-not-great 3pt shooting — and he's locking himself in as a "you probably ideally want him as a 6th man guy, and he's not even that good in that role" type player. i don't think that touches $20m/year, necessarily.

if he plays in line with his second half numbers from last year, he's probably pushing for at least $30m a year and could well find a taker given the paucity of other options.

unfortunately, we should probably be more motivated to keep him the more expensive he gets

I agree with this. At the same time, Coby's role seems the most expendable or replaceable of our top players, especially as Buzelis becomes more of a go-to option in the offense.

Shaedon Sharpe's deal could be a reasonable comp for Coby at 4/90. But, I'd still ask myself if there's a player who fits a little better that we could hunt for.

How exactly is Matas more of a go to option in the offense over Coby White?

wtf lol

[GoBlue72391]

coby still has a really really wide range of outcomes in free agency depending on how he plays this season, imo. a year in line with his career averages — about average efficiency, good-not-great 3pt shooting — and he's locking himself in as a "you probably ideally want him as a 6th man guy, and he's not even that good in that role" type player. i don't think that touches $20m/year, necessarily.

if he plays in line with his second half numbers from last year, he's probably pushing for at least $30m a year and could well find a taker given the paucity of other options.

unfortunately, we should probably be more motivated to keep him the more expensive he gets

I agree with this. At the same time, Coby's role seems the most expendable or replaceable of our top players, especially as Buzelis becomes more of a go-to option in the offense.

Shaedon Sharpe's deal could be a reasonable comp for Coby at 4/90. But, I'd still ask myself if there's a player who fits a little better that we could hunt for.

How exactly is Matas more of a go to option in the offense over Coby White?

wtf lol

How did you read that and come to that interpretation of what he said?

[ScrantonBulls]

I’m no Lauri hater but he isn’t a target at all to me. If you are playing 3-5 and can’t defend at a plus level it’s a hard pass for me with what we are trying to do.

Yep. He's been an absolute monster offensively, but if we're trading we should go for a 2-way player imo.

[ScrantonBulls]

1. Pretty much every guy discussed in this thread is on a max contract.

2. No arguments there, but fortunately we don't need him for that. He's not a ballhog, he's a willing passer.

3. His defense and rebounding are fine, especially for a SF. 8-9 RPG is elite for a SF, which is what he averaged in 22-23 and 23-24. He's not a game changer defensively, but he's not going to hurt you on that end either. He guards the perimeter which limits him being targeted in the post, where he struggles.

I didn't say he's a perfect fit, but he's the best fit amongst the names mentioned. Offensively he's an ideal fit, and for defense I'm imagining us moving on from Vuc after the season and pursuing a defensive minded C.

How likely is Bam to be available? JJJ I could see being available, but I personally don't want him.

1. Not everyone. Kessler. Hartenstein. There have been several others.
2. He is a slow passer. I don't think he is a ball hog but the ping pong type passing the bulls have had isn't Lauri's forte.

Overall I think he is in the mix for availability and fit. Not a clear #1 but not to be discredited either.

Not sure about Bam or JJJ's availability. I think Miami is going to be bad so maybe but they always seem to be able to be competitive.

JJJ is my favorite. The Bulls need a center. He is 26. His contract isn't awful. He can shoot, help and switch and move without the ball. Some rebounding concerns but no one is perfect.

JJJ gives me a lot of pause due to his poor rebounding. Matas isn't exactly a great rebounder either, so having the starting PF and C struggling to barely average 10 RPG between the two of them is a no go IMO. Giddey would be our only plus rebounder in the starting lineup.

All these players being discussed have flaws, but that is probably the most glaring.

Does Matas project to be a PF mainly? I kind of figured he's a SF/PF that would play more as a SF.

[GoBlue72391]

1. Not everyone. Kessler. Hartenstein. There have been several others.
2. He is a slow passer. I don't think he is a ball hog but the ping pong type passing the bulls have had isn't Lauri's forte.

Overall I think he is in the mix for availability and fit. Not a clear #1 but not to be discredited either.

Not sure about Bam or JJJ's availability. I think Miami is going to be bad so maybe but they always seem to be able to be competitive.

JJJ is my favorite. The Bulls need a center. He is 26. His contract isn't awful. He can shoot, help and switch and move without the ball. Some rebounding concerns but no one is perfect.

JJJ gives me a lot of pause due to his poor rebounding. Matas isn't exactly a great rebounder either, so having the starting PF and C struggling to barely average 10 RPG between the two of them is a no go IMO. Giddey would be our only plus rebounder in the starting lineup.

All these players being discussed have flaws, but that is probably the most glaring.

Does Matas project to be a PF mainly? I kind of figured he's a SF/PF that would play more as a SF.

Either one, depending on who else we have. But right now he's the PF.

[Dan Z]

I've said it before, but Id trade for Lauri for the right price (which is what Duck suggested in his OP).

But Im not sure if Utah would agree to it. They might want more and if so Id turn it down.