OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

[Ghetto Gospel]

on pace to have another top5 pick in the draft, this isn't a serious organization

[Strick]

Why the hell was Jayden Daniels in that game still? Brutal injury. I hate to see stuff like that

I know him and Nabers were playing with extra motivation for Kyren Lacy this year. Terrible to see both of them go down with brutal injuries

[mpharris36]

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Wow, he ripped the front office and coaching staff….rightfully so

Yeah Duggan is really good at his job and for him to completely destroy the organization and basically say that Dart shouldn't alone be the savior because the rest of it is rotten is pretty damning. I guess we all see it but the fact the Giants are barely watchable especially with an exciting young QB you hit on is wild.

The good thing is that its going to be the most desirable GM/HC job out there...a young QB the league is raving about...a top pick...and some good top end guys with an ok cap sheet. Its rip for GM/HC duo to come in and improve the areas of weakness and hit the ground running.

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Help is on the way! Dart with Nabers and Tyson

Fun fact, his brother Jaylon Tyson plays for the Cavs

I just don't think we can justify selecting a WR that early with all our issues. Hoping for a new GM/HC combo but we should realistically be a in trade down situation. We need a lot of pickes and we already dont' have our 3rd this year.

With the way we are playing defense we need multiple guys that help stop the run. Yes we do need another WR but I also think that can be found in other rounds and its one of the most likely positions you can trade for if you really wanted to.

We’re in a weird spot IMO. We will have a top pick but the premium positions that you normally take there are tough to justify. We have a QB which is huge and the toughest to find.

Edge we have 3 guys there and can’t justify taking another guy there even though it’s a premium position.

CB is a clear need. Adebo was signed to a big deal and has been relatively solid, but idk if he’s playing like a true CB1. Maybe more of a solid CB2. I’m not sure any of the CBs are the top tier talent to justify a top 5-7 pick and I would hate to force a need pick.

OL looks solid for the post part (maybe that’s me comparing the OL of the last 5* or so lol). Thomas and Eluemunor are solid at the tackle spots. We should extend JE to lock to that RT spot which has killed us for years. JMS is a disappointment.. Schlottman could legitimately be better than him. Guard we could probably use help and maybe justify a high pick?

DT is a weak spot for sure. Dex hasn’t been himself coming back from an injury and it seems like we really banked on Darius Alexander to be able to step in a be a good DT2 in his rookie year. DT2 has been a big weakness which many saw coming from a mile away just not Joe Schoen.. idk if you can justify a DT top 5-7 even though there are some good players

LB is a big area of need. Okereke is a shell of what he used to be and losing McFadden was a big blow even though he has/had his limitations. Taking LB top 5-7 is rare and doesn’t seem to work all too often but we need to address that position 1000%

Safety is also a need. Nubin regressed big time and I was hoping he’d take that year 2 leap. He takes terrible angles and seems too slow out there. Jevon Holland was just brought in on a big deal but he hasn’t shown anything either.. there’s a stud like Caleb Downs from Ohio State but that’s a ton of capital at the safety position.

Taking another WR top 5-7 is probably overkill, I agree. It is a good WR class so day 2 will 100% have nice talent. Honestly may be a good time to trade back and accumulate assets. WR2, IOL, DT, LB, S, and CB are clear needs. That doesn’t even include RB with the unknown recovery of Skattebo and TE. We have some major work to do but there are good building blocks including the QB position which is massive

I agree with pretty much all of it...its why I just don't think having Nabers and another top 5ish pick WR makes sense. If anything Dart has shown with his mobility and ability to keep plays alive you don't need 2 #1 WR's with him. If anything I would really look to invest in a TE (Dart likes those big targets) and its infuriating how many times Theo Johnson has killed a drive with a egregious drop.

We need so much still and need to continue to build our depth. I'm hoping at this point we pick high enough were a QB needy team trades up with us and gives us a massive offer to trade down.

I also think they should trade KT if they get a good offer...your not going to pay 3 edge players...and while he's having an ok year KT overall impact is pretty meh. I would recoup some assets for him for next draft as well.

Most important thing will be finding a new GM/HC...I think we are getting to the point where you thank Schoen and Daboll for picking Dart but its time to move on with a clean new regime. It will be the most coveted job because we have the QB it looks like on a rookie deal and assets to build the roster out. That will be priority #1.

The most important

[GONYK]

I just don't think we can justify selecting a WR that early with all our issues. Hoping for a new GM/HC combo but we should realistically be a in trade down situation. We need a lot of pickes and we already dont' have our 3rd this year.

With the way we are playing defense we need multiple guys that help stop the run. Yes we do need another WR but I also think that can be found in other rounds and its one of the most likely positions you can trade for if you really wanted to.

We’re in a weird spot IMO. We will have a top pick but the premium positions that you normally take there are tough to justify. We have a QB which is huge and the toughest to find.

Edge we have 3 guys there and can’t justify taking another guy there even though it’s a premium position.

CB is a clear need. Adebo was signed to a big deal and has been relatively solid, but idk if he’s playing like a true CB1. Maybe more of a solid CB2. I’m not sure any of the CBs are the top tier talent to justify a top 5-7 pick and I would hate to force a need pick.

OL looks solid for the post part (maybe that’s me comparing the OL of the last 5* or so lol). Thomas and Eluemunor are solid at the tackle spots. We should extend JE to lock to that RT spot which has killed us for years. JMS is a disappointment.. Schlottman could legitimately be better than him. Guard we could probably use help and maybe justify a high pick?

DT is a weak spot for sure. Dex hasn’t been himself coming back from an injury and it seems like we really banked on Darius Alexander to be able to step in a be a good DT2 in his rookie year. DT2 has been a big weakness which many saw coming from a mile away just not Joe Schoen.. idk if you can justify a DT top 5-7 even though there are some good players

LB is a big area of need. Okereke is a shell of what he used to be and losing McFadden was a big blow even though he has/had his limitations. Taking LB top 5-7 is rare and doesn’t seem to work all too often but we need to address that position 1000%

Safety is also a need. Nubin regressed big time and I was hoping he’d take that year 2 leap. He takes terrible angles and seems too slow out there. Jevon Holland was just brought in on a big deal but he hasn’t shown anything either.. there’s a stud like Caleb Downs from Ohio State but that’s a ton of capital at the safety position.

Taking another WR top 5-7 is probably overkill, I agree. It is a good WR class so day 2 will 100% have nice talent. Honestly may be a good time to trade back and accumulate assets. WR2, IOL, DT, LB, S, and CB are clear needs. That doesn’t even include RB with the unknown recovery of Skattebo and TE. We have some major work to do but there are good building blocks including the QB position which is massive

I agree with pretty much all of it...its why I just don't think having Nabers and another top 5ish pick WR makes sense. If anything Dart has shown with his mobility and ability to keep plays alive you don't need 2 #1 WR's with him. If anything I would really look to invest in a TE (Dart likes those big targets) and its infuriating how many times Theo Johnson has killed a drive with a egregious drop.

We need so much still and need to continue to build our depth. I'm hoping at this point we pick high enough were a QB needy team trades up with us and gives us a massive offer to trade down.

I also think they should trade KT if they get a good offer...your not going to pay 3 edge players...and while he's having an ok year KT overall impact is pretty meh. I would recoup some assets for him for next draft as well.

Most important thing will be finding a new GM/HC...I think we are getting to the point where you thank Schoen and Daboll for picking Dart but its time to move on with a clean new regime. It will be the most coveted job because we have the QB it looks like on a rookie deal and assets to build the roster out. That will be priority #1.

The most important

Why not? The NFL cap is a joke and we shouldn't just let talent out of the door. KT has become a really good all-around EDGE defender. We've got a rookie QB contract. Why not pay people? What has being good cap stewards gotten us?

The Eagles got a new secondary in 24 hours because they understand that the cap isn't real.

[mpharris36]

We’re in a weird spot IMO. We will have a top pick but the premium positions that you normally take there are tough to justify. We have a QB which is huge and the toughest to find.

Edge we have 3 guys there and can’t justify taking another guy there even though it’s a premium position.

CB is a clear need. Adebo was signed to a big deal and has been relatively solid, but idk if he’s playing like a true CB1. Maybe more of a solid CB2. I’m not sure any of the CBs are the top tier talent to justify a top 5-7 pick and I would hate to force a need pick.

OL looks solid for the post part (maybe that’s me comparing the OL of the last 5* or so lol). Thomas and Eluemunor are solid at the tackle spots. We should extend JE to lock to that RT spot which has killed us for years. JMS is a disappointment.. Schlottman could legitimately be better than him. Guard we could probably use help and maybe justify a high pick?

DT is a weak spot for sure. Dex hasn’t been himself coming back from an injury and it seems like we really banked on Darius Alexander to be able to step in a be a good DT2 in his rookie year. DT2 has been a big weakness which many saw coming from a mile away just not Joe Schoen.. idk if you can justify a DT top 5-7 even though there are some good players

LB is a big area of need. Okereke is a shell of what he used to be and losing McFadden was a big blow even though he has/had his limitations. Taking LB top 5-7 is rare and doesn’t seem to work all too often but we need to address that position 1000%

Safety is also a need. Nubin regressed big time and I was hoping he’d take that year 2 leap. He takes terrible angles and seems too slow out there. Jevon Holland was just brought in on a big deal but he hasn’t shown anything either.. there’s a stud like Caleb Downs from Ohio State but that’s a ton of capital at the safety position.

Taking another WR top 5-7 is probably overkill, I agree. It is a good WR class so day 2 will 100% have nice talent. Honestly may be a good time to trade back and accumulate assets. WR2, IOL, DT, LB, S, and CB are clear needs. That doesn’t even include RB with the unknown recovery of Skattebo and TE. We have some major work to do but there are good building blocks including the QB position which is massive

I agree with pretty much all of it...its why I just don't think having Nabers and another top 5ish pick WR makes sense. If anything Dart has shown with his mobility and ability to keep plays alive you don't need 2 #1 WR's with him. If anything I would really look to invest in a TE (Dart likes those big targets) and its infuriating how many times Theo Johnson has killed a drive with a egregious drop.

We need so much still and need to continue to build our depth. I'm hoping at this point we pick high enough were a QB needy team trades up with us and gives us a massive offer to trade down.

I also think they should trade KT if they get a good offer...your not going to pay 3 edge players...and while he's having an ok year KT overall impact is pretty meh. I would recoup some assets for him for next draft as well.

Most important thing will be finding a new GM/HC...I think we are getting to the point where you thank Schoen and Daboll for picking Dart but its time to move on with a clean new regime. It will be the most coveted job because we have the QB it looks like on a rookie deal and assets to build the roster out. That will be priority #1.

The most important

Why not? The NFL cap is a joke and we shouldn't just let talent out of the door. KT has become a really good all-around EDGE defender. We've got a rookie QB contract. Why not pay people? What has being good cap stewards gotten us?

The Eagles got a new secondary in 24 hours because they understand that the cap isn't real.

I really can't say KT has become a really good all around edge player. He's ok...average. Tough to say anyone is "really" good with how much we have invested on defense and they can't stop a cold. Teams just regularly rush for 300 yards against us and I have to hear how "good" he is vs the run. I mean I can't take PFF seriously sometimes. I watch every snap we get gashed nearly every play...no one makes plays behind the line. Basically everyone outside of Burns basically is a no show for most of the game.

With an expiring like Phillips going for a 3rd round pick...I would absolutely do backflips if we can get a late 1st for KT...I would probably settle for a 2.

A majority of the team is rotten. Dart/AT/Burns/Carter then Nabers and Scatt because of there injuries...everyone outside of those 6 I would be hard pressed to say is a legit foundational piece at this point. I would even take calls on Dexter Lawrence...he has checked out.

[DOT]

If you guys need a receiver and don't want to spend a high draft pick on one, look into Skyler Bell from UConn

I know I'm biased as a UConn fan, and he isn't facing the best competition, but imo the kid is 100% an NFL caliber WR.

[GONYK]

I agree with pretty much all of it...its why I just don't think having Nabers and another top 5ish pick WR makes sense. If anything Dart has shown with his mobility and ability to keep plays alive you don't need 2 #1 WR's with him. If anything I would really look to invest in a TE (Dart likes those big targets) and its infuriating how many times Theo Johnson has killed a drive with a egregious drop.

We need so much still and need to continue to build our depth. I'm hoping at this point we pick high enough were a QB needy team trades up with us and gives us a massive offer to trade down.

I also think they should trade KT if they get a good offer...your not going to pay 3 edge players...and while he's having an ok year KT overall impact is pretty meh. I would recoup some assets for him for next draft as well.

Most important thing will be finding a new GM/HC...I think we are getting to the point where you thank Schoen and Daboll for picking Dart but its time to move on with a clean new regime. It will be the most coveted job because we have the QB it looks like on a rookie deal and assets to build the roster out. That will be priority #1.

The most important

Why not? The NFL cap is a joke and we shouldn't just let talent out of the door. KT has become a really good all-around EDGE defender. We've got a rookie QB contract. Why not pay people? What has being good cap stewards gotten us?

The Eagles got a new secondary in 24 hours because they understand that the cap isn't real.

I really can't say KT has become a really good all around edge player. He's ok...average. Tough to say anyone is "really" good with how much we have invested on defense and they can't stop a cold. Teams just regularly rush for 300 yards against us and I have to hear how "good" he is vs the run. I mean I can't take PFF seriously sometimes. I watch every snap we get gashed nearly every play...no one makes plays behind the line. Basically everyone outside of Burns basically is a no show for most of the game.

With an expiring like Phillips going for a 3rd round pick...I would absolutely do backflips if we can get a late 1st for KT...I would probably settle for a 2.

A majority of the team is rotten. Dart/AT/Burns/Carter then Nabers and Scatt because of there injuries...everyone outside of those 6 I would be hard pressed to say is a legit foundational piece at this point. I would even take calls on Dexter Lawrence...he has checked out.

If you can get some real value for KT, sure. I'm open to a trade. I'm not open to letting him walk for nothing just to preserve fake cap space.

[mpharris36]

Why not? The NFL cap is a joke and we shouldn't just let talent out of the door. KT has become a really good all-around EDGE defender. We've got a rookie QB contract. Why not pay people? What has being good cap stewards gotten us?

The Eagles got a new secondary in 24 hours because they understand that the cap isn't real.

I really can't say KT has become a really good all around edge player. He's ok...average. Tough to say anyone is "really" good with how much we have invested on defense and they can't stop a cold. Teams just regularly rush for 300 yards against us and I have to hear how "good" he is vs the run. I mean I can't take PFF seriously sometimes. I watch every snap we get gashed nearly every play...no one makes plays behind the line. Basically everyone outside of Burns basically is a no show for most of the game.

With an expiring like Phillips going for a 3rd round pick...I would absolutely do backflips if we can get a late 1st for KT...I would probably settle for a 2.

A majority of the team is rotten. Dart/AT/Burns/Carter then Nabers and Scatt because of there injuries...everyone outside of those 6 I would be hard pressed to say is a legit foundational piece at this point. I would even take calls on Dexter Lawrence...he has checked out.

If you can get some real value for KT, sure. I'm open to a trade. I'm not open to letting him walk for nothing just to preserve fake cap space.

oh 100%...but there was a rumor we would want a 1st...might not be able to get that but I would settle for a 2nd.

Dexter I'm listening...he just seems completely checked out.

The 49ers because of the names you think they would be a good running team but they aren't...they were the 30th ranked rushing attack coming into this game and we got gashed...I think the Bears have the #2 ranked rushing attack...we are going to get smoked next week.

They ran like 8 straight times when we knew they were running and they scored a TD on 8 straight runs....the front 7 is relatively healthy (secondary im giving a bit of a pass too because of injuries) but the fact we are getting destroyed by backup lineman is garbage for our front 7.

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I like it

WR room is really banged up right now, plus whatever's going on with BTJ. Be good to have a solid vet with good hands on the roster. Bit much for him if he's only a half-year rental though

And I would say the bigger problem is the secondary, especially with Hunter on IR and Lewis potentially missing time, and iDL. We have good edge rushers, but no pressure in the middle and coverage can't hold up, plus our best blitzing LB missed the last couple games.

[GONYK]

Sauce to the Colts. Wow.

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[bishnykfan]

Sauce to the Colts. Wow.

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Sauce had a great rookie year but he seems to have declined the past couple of years. I don’t watch every play but just going on what I’ve heard it seems like he hasn’t made enough plays to warrant his draft slot and new extension.

Getting two ones and a WR who was talented enough to be a second round pick last year seems like a very good deal for the Jets.

[GONYK]

Fire sale!

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[jvsimonetti0514]

I wish the giants would do the same thing as the jets.

[GONYK]

I wish the giants would do the same thing as the jets.

It doesn't make sense to do that if you think Dart is the answer at QB going forward

[bishnykfan]

Wow…Sauce and Williams. Complete overhaul of that team now. Three firsts, a second and a couple of young players. Good moves for the Jets.

And the Giants are keeping everyone because…

[mpharris36]

I wish the giants would do the same thing as the jets.

It doesn't make sense to do that if you think Dart is the answer at QB going forward

depends you can move some of the money and then re-invest in FA in the next year.

For example Dexter Lawerence looks completely checked out...he had is lowest PFF grade and didn't do anything. If he is going to play like that do you really want him as part of your future builds?

Now the difference is Jets GM and HC are new so they probably have leeway to rebuild...if Schoen trades everyone and they go 2-15 or 3-14 neither Schoen or Daboll will reep the rewards of those future picks. But thats because the Giants do things backwards.

[mpharris36]

Wow…Sauce and Williams. Complete overhaul of that team now. Three firsts, a second and a couple of young players. Good moves for the Jets.

And the Giants are keeping everyone because…

Good moves by the Jets if they hit on there picks...they are basically taking more shots at the apple and completely overhauling there roster but if they don't pick right then they traded young all pro players for lotto picks.

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[jvsimonetti0514]

I wish the giants would do the same thing as the jets.

It doesn't make sense to do that if you think Dart is the answer at QB going forward

depends you can move some of the money and then re-invest in FA in the next year.

For example Dexter Lawerence looks completely checked out...he had is lowest PFF grade and didn't do anything. If he is going to play like that do you really want him as part of your future builds?

Now the difference is Jets GM and HC are new so they probably have leeway to rebuild...if Schoen trades everyone and they go 2-15 or 3-14 neither Schoen or Daboll will reep the rewards of those future picks. But thats because the Giants do things backwards.

Best case Lawrence is checked out and the worst case is he’s washed. I’d rather gamble on another team thinking he’s just checked out and see what they will cough up.