Cooper Flagg - Duke

[bigboi]

Flagg is pretty much a full year younger than Harper and most of the prospects from this class (nearly 1.5 years younger than Edgecombe). I don't know why people play dumb about this in Flagg discussions.

None of this matters in the NBA. No one was thinking “damn, Wade is 3 years older than Melo and Bosh his rookie year so Bosh and Melo will magically become better. None of that stuff matters. Either someone is better or they’re not. If you want to say Flagg will end up better due to certain skills just say that. Otherwise calling him better strictly off age is silliness especially when it’s only a year difference at max. An 18 and 19 year old can literally be in the same exact grade. You’re making it seem like these dudes are 5 years older

[bigboi]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

Harper gets to play with Wemby and on a contending team. Flagg is playing with the dumbest roster ever designed by a team other than the Kings.

(To be clear, Harper is awesome to watch while Flagg's style is completely unwatchable because he's such a Jimmy Butler esque foul baiter, but Flagg was a billion times safer because of how good he is as a shooter compared to Harper)

Cut the bs. We can pull up the posts of Flagg Stanley’s saying that Dallas was the best possible situation for Flagg. If Flagg ended up on Wizards, you still would’ve complained. People complained about AD holding Flagg back, AD’s out and Flagg is still ass

[HadAnEffectHere]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

Harper gets to play with Wemby and on a contending team. Flagg is playing with the dumbest roster ever designed by a team other than the Kings.

(To be clear, Harper is awesome to watch while Flagg's style is completely unwatchable because he's such a Jimmy Butler esque foul baiter, but Flagg was a billion times safer because of how good he is as a shooter compared to Harper)

Cut the bs. We can pull up the posts of Flagg Stanley’s saying that Dallas was the best possible situation for Flagg. If Flagg ended up on Wizards, you still would’ve complained. People complained about AD holding Flagg back, AD’s out and Flagg is still ass

Literally 100% of my posts about the Flagg-Mavs fit are calling this the worst case scenario for Flagg because Davis-Lively is the dumbest lineup in the NBA.

[sikma42]

Flagg is pretty much a full year younger than Harper and most of the prospects from this class (nearly 1.5 years younger than Edgecombe). I don't know why people play dumb about this in Flagg discussions.

None of this matters in the NBA. No one was thinking “damn, Wade is 3 years older than Melo and Bosh his rookie year so Bosh and Melo will magically become better. None of that stuff matters. Either someone is better or they’re not. If you want to say Flagg will end up better due to certain skills just say that. Otherwise calling him better strictly off age is silliness especially when it’s only a year difference at max. An 18 and 19 year old can literally be in the same exact grade. You’re making it seem like these dudes are 5 years older

I think Flagg is going to be better not bc of skills bc of his age. Hes still growing into his frame (which is insane) and he projects to be a physically imposing presence. Once that fills out (next year or 2) he’ll be an all star racking up points/asts on the short roll, getting posters etc.

I think the physical development part is where the age comes in. As far as his skills, they aren’t generational and that’s were I think the overhyped part comes in. He’ll still be an all star for many years and that’s great tho

[bigboi]

Harper gets to play with Wemby and on a contending team. Flagg is playing with the dumbest roster ever designed by a team other than the Kings.

(To be clear, Harper is awesome to watch while Flagg's style is completely unwatchable because he's such a Jimmy Butler esque foul baiter, but Flagg was a billion times safer because of how good he is as a shooter compared to Harper)

Cut the bs. We can pull up the posts of Flagg Stanley’s saying that Dallas was the best possible situation for Flagg. If Flagg ended up on Wizards, you still would’ve complained. People complained about AD holding Flagg back, AD’s out and Flagg is still ass

Literally 100% of my posts about the Flagg-Mavs fit are calling this the worst case scenario for Flagg because Davis-Lively is the dumbest lineup in the NBA.

I’m going to pull up a bunch of posts on Flagg and Mavs fit being lauded. Flagg is just not that good. Simple as that. A superstar prospect will still produce despite crappy circumstances. Literally EVERY #1 pick comes into unfavorable circumstances as their teams are usually the worst in the league. Flagg came into a borderline playoff team so all these excuses are just that, excuses. Again, I’m not saying that Flagg can’t be good but his role is a draymond green role. Simple as that. Otherwise he will end up being a massive disappointment. And lastly, some of you need to stop acting like you know it all. I saw the following in this board:


Flagg is a better offensive player than Tatum at the same age
Flagg is better than Zion as a prospect
Flagg is better than Cade, Simmons, etc as a prospect
Flagg can’t possibly be a bust
Flagg is near AD level on defense


Every single one of these statements was wrong. I said this from the jump. If yall actually watched the players like you said, most of these statements wouldn’t exist. Flagg was never close to Zion as a prospect, I said from the jump that I wasn’t sure he would be chosen over Barrett. Then the Tatum comparisons were flat out disrespectful. Tatum’s offensive skill was always on another level of Flagg in every single way, people were really claiming Flagg would end up as a better Tatum like Tatum hasn’t been an MVP candidate, is literally the most accomplished NBA player in their 20s other than Shai. Yall need to stop overhyping these players, it’s silly

[HadAnEffectHere]

Cut the bs. We can pull up the posts of Flagg Stanley’s saying that Dallas was the best possible situation for Flagg. If Flagg ended up on Wizards, you still would’ve complained. People complained about AD holding Flagg back, AD’s out and Flagg is still ass

Literally 100% of my posts about the Flagg-Mavs fit are calling this the worst case scenario for Flagg because Davis-Lively is the dumbest lineup in the NBA.

I’m going to pull up a bunch of posts on Flagg and Mavs fit being lauded. Flagg is just not that good. Simple as that. A superstar prospect will still produce despite crappy circumstances. Literally EVERY #1 pick comes into unfavorable circumstances as their teams are usually the worst in the league. Flagg came into a borderline playoff team so all these excuses are just that, excuses. Again, I’m not saying that Flagg can’t be good but his role is a draymond green role. Simple as that. Otherwise he will end up being a massive disappointment. And lastly, some of you need to stop acting like you know it all. I saw the following in this board:


Flagg is a better offensive player than Tatum at the same age
Flagg is better than Zion as a prospect
Flagg is better than Cade, Simmons, etc as a prospect
Flagg can’t possibly be a bust
Flagg is near AD level on defense


Every single one of these statements was wrong. I said this from the jump. If yall actually watched the players like you said, most of these statements wouldn’t exist. Flagg was never close to Zion as a prospect, I said from the jump that I wasn’t sure he would be chosen over Barrett. Then the Tatum comparisons were flat out disrespectful. Tatum’s offensive skill was always on another level of Flagg in every single way, people were really claiming Flagg would end up as a better Tatum like Tatum hasn’t been an MVP candidate, is literally the most accomplished NBA player in their 20s other than Shai. Yall need to stop overhyping these players, it’s silly

Are you stupid enough to not realize that you're arguing against an existing person instead of the average of various people you dislike online.

Yes, there were some very stupid people who thought Flagg landed in a great situation, but I was very much not one of those stupid people and you are talking to me.

You can literally just look at what I said.

[bigboi]

Flagg is pretty much a full year younger than Harper and most of the prospects from this class (nearly 1.5 years younger than Edgecombe). I don't know why people play dumb about this in Flagg discussions.

None of this matters in the NBA. No one was thinking “damn, Wade is 3 years older than Melo and Bosh his rookie year so Bosh and Melo will magically become better. None of that stuff matters. Either someone is better or they’re not. If you want to say Flagg will end up better due to certain skills just say that. Otherwise calling him better strictly off age is silliness especially when it’s only a year difference at max. An 18 and 19 year old can literally be in the same exact grade. You’re making it seem like these dudes are 5 years older

I think Flagg is going to be better not bc of skills bc of his age. Hes still growing into his frame (which is insane) and he projects to be a physically imposing presence. Once that fills out (next year or 2) he’ll be an all star racking up points/asts on the short roll, getting posters etc.

I think the physical development part is where the age comes in. As far as his skills, they aren’t generational and that’s were I think the overhyped part comes in. He’ll still be an all star for many years and that’s great tho

His frame isn’t insane. And that’s the problem lol. Hence why’s he’s getting stopped on drives and he’s been absolutely garbage on defense. Nothing about him is amazing. His athleticism, not amazing. Handle garbage, frame weak, shot making weak, defense weak. All this stuff is just flat out assumption. His frame going to magically help his slow feet? Flagg rn reminds me of a poor man’s less athletic Josh smith.

[bigboi]

Literally 100% of my posts about the Flagg-Mavs fit are calling this the worst case scenario for Flagg because Davis-Lively is the dumbest lineup in the NBA.

I’m going to pull up a bunch of posts on Flagg and Mavs fit being lauded. Flagg is just not that good. Simple as that. A superstar prospect will still produce despite crappy circumstances. Literally EVERY #1 pick comes into unfavorable circumstances as their teams are usually the worst in the league. Flagg came into a borderline playoff team so all these excuses are just that, excuses. Again, I’m not saying that Flagg can’t be good but his role is a draymond green role. Simple as that. Otherwise he will end up being a massive disappointment. And lastly, some of you need to stop acting like you know it all. I saw the following in this board:


Flagg is a better offensive player than Tatum at the same age
Flagg is better than Zion as a prospect
Flagg is better than Cade, Simmons, etc as a prospect
Flagg can’t possibly be a bust
Flagg is near AD level on defense


Every single one of these statements was wrong. I said this from the jump. If yall actually watched the players like you said, most of these statements wouldn’t exist. Flagg was never close to Zion as a prospect, I said from the jump that I wasn’t sure he would be chosen over Barrett. Then the Tatum comparisons were flat out disrespectful. Tatum’s offensive skill was always on another level of Flagg in every single way, people were really claiming Flagg would end up as a better Tatum like Tatum hasn’t been an MVP candidate, is literally the most accomplished NBA player in their 20s other than Shai. Yall need to stop overhyping these players, it’s silly

Are you stupid enough to not realize that you're arguing against an existing person instead of the average of various people you dislike online.

Yes, there were some very stupid people who thought Flagg landed in a great situation, but I was very much not one of those stupid people and you are talking to me.

You can literally just look at what I said.

Are you that stupid that you can’t read? It doesn’t matter what you think. #1 picks are supposed to be in unfavorable situations, that’s the point. The worst teams are getting access to the top pick to turn their team around. Flagg is on a borderline playoff team, your silliness is on you and was a minority opinion

[sikma42]

None of this matters in the NBA. No one was thinking “damn, Wade is 3 years older than Melo and Bosh his rookie year so Bosh and Melo will magically become better. None of that stuff matters. Either someone is better or they’re not. If you want to say Flagg will end up better due to certain skills just say that. Otherwise calling him better strictly off age is silliness especially when it’s only a year difference at max. An 18 and 19 year old can literally be in the same exact grade. You’re making it seem like these dudes are 5 years older

I think Flagg is going to be better not bc of skills bc of his age. Hes still growing into his frame (which is insane) and he projects to be a physically imposing presence. Once that fills out (next year or 2) he’ll be an all star racking up points/asts on the short roll, getting posters etc.

I think the physical development part is where the age comes in. As far as his skills, they aren’t generational and that’s were I think the overhyped part comes in. He’ll still be an all star for many years and that’s great tho

His frame isn’t insane. And that’s the problem lol. Hence why’s he’s getting stopped on drives and he’s been absolutely garbage on defense. Nothing about him is amazing. His athleticism, not amazing. Handle garbage, frame weak, shot making weak, defense weak. All this stuff is just flat out assumption. His frame going to magically help his slow feet? Flagg rn reminds me of a poor man’s less athletic Josh smith.

I don’t want to get boxxed in defending him bc I think he’s been overrated a bit.

But the reason he’s getting stopped so easily on drivers is bc he’s hasn’t filled out his frame. That comes over time and you see it with a lot of young prospects. Hes also playing out of position.

I don’t know if it’s an assumption to think Flagg has an impressive frame (shoulder width, wingspan etc)? I don’t think it’s assumption to think he’ll fill it out and get stronger? I don’t think it’s assumption to think he hasn’t been put in a position to play to his strength.

He’ll be fine. He’s not AD or KD but he’ll be able to be really good in short rolls. If anything his defense has been the most concerning, not the offense.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I’m going to pull up a bunch of posts on Flagg and Mavs fit being lauded. Flagg is just not that good. Simple as that. A superstar prospect will still produce despite crappy circumstances. Literally EVERY #1 pick comes into unfavorable circumstances as their teams are usually the worst in the league. Flagg came into a borderline playoff team so all these excuses are just that, excuses. Again, I’m not saying that Flagg can’t be good but his role is a draymond green role. Simple as that. Otherwise he will end up being a massive disappointment. And lastly, some of you need to stop acting like you know it all. I saw the following in this board:


Flagg is a better offensive player than Tatum at the same age
Flagg is better than Zion as a prospect
Flagg is better than Cade, Simmons, etc as a prospect
Flagg can’t possibly be a bust
Flagg is near AD level on defense


Every single one of these statements was wrong. I said this from the jump. If yall actually watched the players like you said, most of these statements wouldn’t exist. Flagg was never close to Zion as a prospect, I said from the jump that I wasn’t sure he would be chosen over Barrett. Then the Tatum comparisons were flat out disrespectful. Tatum’s offensive skill was always on another level of Flagg in every single way, people were really claiming Flagg would end up as a better Tatum like Tatum hasn’t been an MVP candidate, is literally the most accomplished NBA player in their 20s other than Shai. Yall need to stop overhyping these players, it’s silly

Are you stupid enough to not realize that you're arguing against an existing person instead of the average of various people you dislike online.

Yes, there were some very stupid people who thought Flagg landed in a great situation, but I was very much not one of those stupid people and you are talking to me.

You can literally just look at what I said.

Are you that stupid that you can’t read? It doesn’t matter what you think. #1 picks are supposed to be in unfavorable situations, that’s the point. The worst teams are getting access to the top pick to turn their team around. Flagg is on a borderline playoff team, your silliness is on you and was a minority opinion

Flagg was not on a borderline playoff team, he's on a catastrophe. AD cannot play PF and they have one guard on the roster. Harper is on a WCF contender.

(And it's been 6 games)

[One_and_Done]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

There was a large gap. Flagg was an awesome defender, Harper wasn't. Flagg was just as impactful on offense, he is bigger, he plays a more valuable position, and he is younger. 6 games is a really small sample to be making a claim that Harper has proven he is just as good of a prospect. That said people were really high on Harper, too. Go look at the Harper thread.

And in hindsight it looks crazy to say there was a large gap. Certainly the position some took that Castle was 'nowhere near enough' to trade up to #1 has not aged well.

It's early: Flagg should be fine, and may end up being a better player than Harper. At this stage though I have no confidence in that claim at all.

[babyjax13]

You have a majority of people who were claiming that there was a gigantic gap between Flagg and Harper, and that just looks silly right now regardless of which player turns out to be better.

There was a large gap. Flagg was an awesome defender, Harper wasn't. Flagg was just as impactful on offense, he is bigger, he plays a more valuable position, and he is younger. 6 games is a really small sample to be making a claim that Harper has proven he is just as good of a prospect. That said people were really high on Harper, too. Go look at the Harper thread.

And in hindsight it looks crazy to say there was a large gap. Certainly the position some took that Castle was 'nowhere near enough' to trade up to #1 has not aged well.

It's early: Flagg should be fine, and may end up being a better player than Harper. At this stage though I have no confidence in that claim at all.

I don't think it looks crazy at all, tbh. I still wouldn't trade Flagg for Harper and Castle.

[DOT]

Are you stupid enough to not realize that you're arguing against an existing person instead of the average of various people you dislike online.

Yes, there were some very stupid people who thought Flagg landed in a great situation, but I was very much not one of those stupid people and you are talking to me.

You can literally just look at what I said.

Are you that stupid that you can’t read? It doesn’t matter what you think. #1 picks are supposed to be in unfavorable situations, that’s the point. The worst teams are getting access to the top pick to turn their team around. Flagg is on a borderline playoff team, your silliness is on you and was a minority opinion

Flagg was not on a borderline playoff team, he's on a catastrophe. AD cannot play PF and they have one guard on the roster. Harper is on a WCF contender.

(And it's been 6 games)

They're a borderline playoff team if both Kyrie and AD are healthy and Klay is shooting at a decent percentage. Which they're not, so they're not

That would also mean Flagg wouldn't be the primary ball handler, and would shift to a more tertiary option on offense

Look, it's been 6 games. Kidd is clearly trying to do the same thing he did with Giannis by having Flagg play PG, and we all thought it was ridiculous when he did it with Giannis, but it paid off in the long term

The issue is, the Mavs need to pick a lane. Are they developing Flagg's PG skills in the hopes he grows into a superstar in like 3-5 years, or are they trying to win now with AD/Kyrie who are going to be 33/34 at the end of the season?

[bigboi]

Are you stupid enough to not realize that you're arguing against an existing person instead of the average of various people you dislike online.

Yes, there were some very stupid people who thought Flagg landed in a great situation, but I was very much not one of those stupid people and you are talking to me.

You can literally just look at what I said.

Are you that stupid that you can’t read? It doesn’t matter what you think. #1 picks are supposed to be in unfavorable situations, that’s the point. The worst teams are getting access to the top pick to turn their team around. Flagg is on a borderline playoff team, your silliness is on you and was a minority opinion

Flagg was not on a borderline playoff team, he's on a catastrophe. AD cannot play PF and they have one guard on the roster. Harper is on a WCF contender.

(And it's been 6 games)

Except he is. You are flat out lying. Dallas made the play in without Kyrie. Flagg is asscheeks with or without AD in the lineup. The excuses are pathetic. So much so that we can literally see preseason odds/expectations and see that Dallas was expected to be better than Spurs by consensus. You better have made a crap ton of money if you were so sure that Spurs would be a WCF contender.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Are you that stupid that you can’t read? It doesn’t matter what you think. #1 picks are supposed to be in unfavorable situations, that’s the point. The worst teams are getting access to the top pick to turn their team around. Flagg is on a borderline playoff team, your silliness is on you and was a minority opinion

Flagg was not on a borderline playoff team, he's on a catastrophe. AD cannot play PF and they have one guard on the roster. Harper is on a WCF contender.

(And it's been 6 games)

Except he is. You are flat out lying. Dallas made the play in without Kyrie. Flagg is asscheeks with or without AD in the lineup. The excuses are pathetic. So much so that we can literally see preseason odds/expectations and see that Dallas was expected to be better than Spurs by consensus. You better have made a crap ton of money if you were so sure that Spurs would be a WCF contender.

?????????????????????

You do know that... That the Mavs made the play-in because of the wins they banked with Luka and Kyrie, right?

They were one of the worst teams in the NBA by the end of the season.