Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

[celticgreenie]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

[fallguy]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

You guys think Danny Ainge (!) would agree to this?

[celticgreenie]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

You guys think Danny Ainge (!) would agree to this?

If he wants to tank I think so.

[redslastlaugh]

This is interesting but if league perception of White is changing, ie that he's not an all star level player unless he's surrounded by Tatum, Holiday, Horford, etc supporting pieces, then I'm not sure he returns a big asset package like Desmond Bane or Mikal Bridges.

The Celtic's position has been: we don't want to trade D White, we like him on our team & on this contract so you have to blow us away with a huge pick and prospect package to pry him away... Does that value still hold? Has White, with his play this year minus JT on the court, changed the perception of his value??

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

[jmr07019]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

You guys think Danny Ainge (!) would agree to this?

Probably not but trading for top end talent is always difficult. It's worth a shot. It's not a bad package. You get at least (3) 1sts, another young player on a cheap rookie deal and you get to give Simons a try out for a year before deciding to build with him or not.

Markanen is 28 years old and Utah is nowhere close. So maybe. And it is a good year to tank.

[jmr07019]

This is interesting but if league perception of White is changing, ie that he's not an all star level player unless he's surrounded by Tatum, Holiday, Horford, etc supporting pieces, then I'm not sure he returns a big asset package like Desmond Bane or Mikal Bridges.

The Celtic's position has been: we don't want to trade D White, we like him on our team & on this contract so you have to blow us away with a huge pick and prospect package to pry him away... Does that value still hold? Has White, with his play this year minus JT on the court, changed the perception of his value??

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

I'm not expecting a Bane like return. Can we get a former lotto pick who still has 2+ years and some upside? That, a future first plus salary filler seems fair and hopefully enough to convince Utah.

[jmr07019]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

I like the versatility of this team. You can run

Pritchard
Brown
Hauser
Lauri
Tatum

If you need offense. That is a ridiculous amount of shooting. Need a little more size and athleticism? We have Queta and Minott.

[Fierce1]

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

[redslastlaugh]

Michael Pina of the Ringer suggested a made-up trade of Simons straight up for Terance Mann on the Nets
Mann is making $15.5 versus Simons's $27.7 so theoretically drops us under the tax

But Mann has two more seasons, so his money becomes next years problem but we do book this year as one yr under the tax

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

[Fierce1]

Michael Pina of the Ringer suggested a made-up trade of Simons straight up for Terance Mann on the Nets
Mann is making $15.5 versus Simons's $27.7 so theoretically drops us under the tax

But Mann has two more seasons, so his money becomes next years problem but we do book this year as one yr under the tax

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

I think the Cs can do better than Mann.

But that's the idea, going from 27m to 15m will reset the repeater.

Just find a better player who can be a contributor in the playoffs.

[Fierce1]

I would roll the dice on a Simons for Vucevic trade.

It has to be a multiple team trade as Chicago will not want Simons.

Vucevic and Tre Jones for Simons and Walsh.
Chicago reroutes Simons to another team.

That trade gets us a C and a PG.

[brackdan70]

Simons, Hugo, (2) Boston firsts and an asset from a third team to Utah

Lauri Markanen to Boston

Derrick White to a third team, who sends an asset to Utah

Pritchard
Brown / Scheierman
Tatum / Minott
Markanen / Hauser
Queta/Garza / Tilman

Needs a little more talent at guard but that's a really good team! Lauri can really shoot it and would feast next to Tatum. Not a great defender but better than Simons.

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

You guys think Danny Ainge (!) would agree to this?

I think he would jump all over it. The asset/s for White would be exceptional.
I think in the proposal White is undervalued. He should bring back a solid young g player and multiple firsts…despite his slow start.
Lauri is off to a great start this season but that 6game stretch doesn’t represent his value.
This is a an overpay imo.
It’s interesting, but I don’t think you include the White aspect.

[jmr07019]

I like this! When you think of the nuggets, rockets, and thunder they all can field a big quality frontline.

You guys think Danny Ainge (!) would agree to this?

I think he would jump all over it. The asset/s for White would be exceptional.
I think in the proposal White is undervalued. He should bring back a solid young g player and multiple firsts…despite his slow start.
Lauri is off to a great start this season but that 6game stretch doesn’t represent his value.
This is a an overpay imo.
It’s interesting, but I don’t think you include the White aspect.

Lauri has salaries of 46, 46, 49, 53.

Simons, Pritchard, Hauser is almost 45 million. You could in theory add Lauri to White, Brown and Tatum. I'm guessing it would be difficult to pay much money to anyone else with those 4 on the books. We might not be able to extend Minott and Queta, or we could but we would only have a couple year window before needing to dump salary again. Not ideal but maybe that's how we have to operate with the current CBA.

If you get a better return for White than I suggested and keep Hugo and/or a Boston first out of the deal .... I would of course be in favor of that.

[jmr07019]

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

This trade reduces payroll! White and Simons both make 28/year. It is a 10 million saving trading those two for Lauri. Of course Celtics likely add another vet min player who costs 2-3 million but the trade helps the salary cap.

The Celtics do not have a championship front court. Upgrading it to become championship caliber is going to cost assets and money. If the Celtics owner is not willing to spend over the lux tax all this convo is moot we just need to start rooting for a new owner.

[Celts17Pride]

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

This trade reduces payroll! White and Simons both make 28/year. It is a 10 million saving trading those two for Lauri. Of course Celtics likely add another vet min player who costs 2-3 million but the trade helps the salary cap.

The Celtics do not have a championship front court. Upgrading it to become championship caliber is going to cost assets and money. If the Celtics owner is not willing to spend over the lux tax all this convo is moot we just need to start rooting for a new owner.

Celtics already have a much better PF already on the roster.

[Fierce1]

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

This trade reduces payroll! White and Simons both make 28/year. It is a 10 million saving trading those two for Lauri. Of course Celtics likely add another vet min player who costs 2-3 million but the trade helps the salary cap.

The Celtics do not have a championship front court. Upgrading it to become championship caliber is going to cost assets and money. If the Celtics owner is not willing to spend over the lux tax all this convo is moot we just need to start rooting for a new owner.

Trading White and Simons for Lauri save the Cs around 9m this season.
That's true.

But starting next season until the end of the 2028-29 season, the Cs will have 3 players with a combined salary of 160m+.
Very difficult to surround those 3 players with quality role players.

The new CBA forces teams to maintain only 2 star players for a team to have a sustainable salary cap situation.

[Larry_Russell]

Simons for Mark Williams and Dillon Brooks.

[jmr07019]

Lauri is close to a 50m per year guy.

Cs would have the same problem before they traded KP and Jrue.

And please don't trade Hugo.

What Brad needs to do is trade Simons for a player getting half of Simons' salary.

That's it!

This trade reduces payroll! White and Simons both make 28/year. It is a 10 million saving trading those two for Lauri. Of course Celtics likely add another vet min player who costs 2-3 million but the trade helps the salary cap.

The Celtics do not have a championship front court. Upgrading it to become championship caliber is going to cost assets and money. If the Celtics owner is not willing to spend over the lux tax all this convo is moot we just need to start rooting for a new owner.

Trading White and Simons for Lauri save the Cs around 9m this season.
That's true.

But starting next season until the end of the 2028-29 season, the Cs will have 3 players with a combined salary of 160m+.
Very difficult to surround those 3 players with quality role players.

The new CBA forces teams to maintain only 2 star players for a team to have a sustainable salary cap situation.

14/30 teams have payrolls of 192 million or more.

6/30 teams are above the first apron of $195,945,000

If you spend roughly 150 million on Brown Tatum Lauri that leaves 40 million for role players without going over the 1st apron. And there's nothing wrong with going over the first apron. 20% of the league is above it. Pritchard, Minott, Hauser and Queta are cheap this year and next.

[fallguy]

This trade reduces payroll! White and Simons both make 28/year. It is a 10 million saving trading those two for Lauri. Of course Celtics likely add another vet min player who costs 2-3 million but the trade helps the salary cap.

The Celtics do not have a championship front court. Upgrading it to become championship caliber is going to cost assets and money. If the Celtics owner is not willing to spend over the lux tax all this convo is moot we just need to start rooting for a new owner.

Trading White and Simons for Lauri save the Cs around 9m this season.
That's true.

But starting next season until the end of the 2028-29 season, the Cs will have 3 players with a combined salary of 160m+.
Very difficult to surround those 3 players with quality role players.

The new CBA forces teams to maintain only 2 star players for a team to have a sustainable salary cap situation.

14/30 teams have payrolls of 192 million or more.

6/30 teams are above the first apron of $195,945,000

If you spend roughly 150 million on Brown Tatum Lauri that leaves 40 million for role players without going over the 1st apron. And there's nothing wrong with going over the first apron. 20% of the league is above it. Pritchard, Minott, Hauser and Queta are cheap this year and next.

40 million for role players is not enough. I don't think Brad is in any way looking to add another $50M salary and create all the same problems for himself he's just slipped out of. And if he was, it wouldn't be for Markkanen.

[Sikk_Handlez]

I heard Ja Morant is unhappy in Memphis. Prichard and a bunch of seconds? could we get him without giving up D-White?