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Guarantee feels strong. Especially since he knew the FBI was watching. I mean he sucked before the trade. Occam's tells us the most likely reason for bad games was that.
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BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:So, according to the league NOW, they didn't actually clear Terry Rozier... they just allowed him to keep playing...without telling the team that acquired him that he was being investigated AND HADN'T BEEN CLEARED!
Yeah, no matter how you slice this, I want remuneration!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282599/NBA-Says-Terry-Rozier-Investigation-Lacked-Sufficient-Evidence-Never-Cleared-Him
The problem the Heat have is causation. They haven't been harmed until right now, with Rozier on an expiring contract, and it's not even clear they're unable to trade that expiring contract. The Rockets were able to trade KPJ.
I call BS. We haven't been harmed? Are you kidding me?
How many bad games has he had in Miami? How many were because he was helping a friend win a bet? Gamblers gamble. And he had to know they were watching the usual channels, so I guarantee you he was making under the table bets. That puts every game he's been involved in while in Miami in question. That puts the organization, itself, at risk. And it puts the burden of proof on you to prove he didn't gamble while in Miami.
This is a guy who harmed the integrity of the game. We wouldn't have given a damned thing had we known!
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
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jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
The problem the Heat have is causation. They haven't been harmed until right now, with Rozier on an expiring contract, and it's not even clear they're unable to trade that expiring contract. The Rockets were able to trade KPJ.
I call BS. We haven't been harmed? Are you kidding me?
How many bad games has he had in Miami? How many were because he was helping a friend win a bet? Gamblers gamble. And he had to know they were watching the usual channels, so I guarantee you he was making under the table bets. That puts every game he's been involved in while in Miami in question. That puts the organization, itself, at risk. And it puts the burden of proof on you to prove he didn't gamble while in Miami.
This is a guy who harmed the integrity of the game. We wouldn't have given a damned thing had we known!
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
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BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I call BS. We haven't been harmed? Are you kidding me?
How many bad games has he had in Miami? How many were because he was helping a friend win a bet? Gamblers gamble. And he had to know they were watching the usual channels, so I guarantee you he was making under the table bets. That puts every game he's been involved in while in Miami in question. That puts the organization, itself, at risk. And it puts the burden of proof on you to prove he didn't gamble while in Miami.
This is a guy who harmed the integrity of the game. We wouldn't have given a damned thing had we known!
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
There's really no new information that's come out. We'll likely have to wait for a trial before we know if the Justice Department has anything of substance beyond circumstantial evidence, speculation, and conjecture. Based on everything we heard and read, I would be shocked if the league takes further action until the legal process is complete. I get that you're pissed, but you've already made your position clear—multiple times over. Is this going to be a perpetual rant until this is finally resolved?
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
There's really no new information that's come out. We'll likely have to wait for a trial before we know if the Justice Department has anything of substance beyond circumstantial evidence, speculation, and conjecture. Based on everything we heard and read, I would be shocked if the league takes further action until the legal process is complete. I get that you're pissed, but you've already made your position clear—multiple times over. Is this going to be a perpetual rant until this is finally resolved?
Excuse me, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to express my opinion as new information comes to light. My most humble apologies! God forbid someone express an opinion that you don't care for!
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Texas Chuck wrote:Guarantee feels strong. Especially since he knew the FBI was watching. I mean he sucked before the trade. Occam's tells us the most likely reason for bad games was that.
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When did he know the FBI was watching? January of 2025. When was he dealt to Miami? January of 2024. He had a full year to rig prop bets
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
There's really no new information that's come out. We'll likely have to wait for a trial before we know if the Justice Department has anything of substance beyond circumstantial evidence, speculation, and conjecture. Based on everything we heard and read, I would be shocked if the league takes further action until the legal process is complete. I get that you're pissed, but you've already made your position clear—multiple times over. Is this going to be a perpetual rant until this is finally resolved?
Excuse me, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to express my opinion as new information comes to light. My most humble apologies! God forbid someone express an opinion that you don't care for!
No one is censoring you, no one is saying that you can't express your opinion. That doesn't mean that you're free from pushback when these rants become tedious.
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:There's really no new information that's come out. We'll likely have to wait for a trial before we know if the Justice Department has anything of substance beyond circumstantial evidence, speculation, and conjecture. Based on everything we heard and read, I would be shocked if the league takes further action until the legal process is complete. I get that you're pissed, but you've already made your position clear—multiple times over. Is this going to be a perpetual rant until this is finally resolved?
Excuse me, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to express my opinion as new information comes to light. My most humble apologies! God forbid someone express an opinion that you don't care for!
No one is censoring you, no one is saying that you can't express your opinion. That doesn't mean that you're free from pushback when these rants become tedious.
That goes both ways. You're free to ignore me as more evidence comes out that makes the league look worse.
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:Excuse me, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to express my opinion as new information comes to light. My most humble apologies! God forbid someone express an opinion that you don't care for!
No one is censoring you, no one is saying that you can't express your opinion. That doesn't mean that you're free from pushback when these rants become tedious.
That goes both ways. You're free to ignore me as more evidence comes out that makes the league look worse.
I won't ignore you; usually you're just too fun.
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:No one is censoring you, no one is saying that you can't express your opinion. That doesn't mean that you're free from pushback when these rants become tedious.
That goes both ways. You're free to ignore me as more evidence comes out that makes the league look worse.
I won't ignore you; usually you're just too fun.
Then engage in conversation rather than telling me not to talk. WTF man?
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:That goes both ways. You're free to ignore me as more evidence comes out that makes the league look worse.
I won't ignore you; usually you're just too fun.
Then engage in conversation rather than telling me not to talk. WTF man?
Again, no one told you not to talk. Calling your ongoing rants tedious (they are) is not the same thing. Say whatever you want and I will too. I truly think that it would be better for you—your sanity, if nothing else—if you give it a rest for a while, but you do you.
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:I won't ignore you; usually you're just too fun.
Then engage in conversation rather than telling me not to talk. WTF man?
Again, no one told you not to talk. Calling your ongoing rants tedious (they are) is not the same thing. Say whatever you want and I will too. I truly think that it would be better for you—your sanity, if nothing else—if you give it a rest for a while, but you do you.
I think it would be best for your sanity... Truly... If you were to take your opinion of my argument and place it somewhere special, but as you said, you're free to be you.
I posted news that the NBA never cleared him and expressed my displeasure. I got quoted and I responded. Then, you chose to not attack the veracity of my argument, but attach the fact that I'm arguing. I would appreciate it if, rather than attacking me personally, you attacked the argument.
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:Then engage in conversation rather than telling me not to talk. WTF man?
Again, no one told you not to talk. Calling your ongoing rants tedious (they are) is not the same thing. Say whatever you want and I will too. I truly think that it would be better for you—your sanity, if nothing else—if you give it a rest for a while, but you do you.
I think it would be best for your sanity... Truly... If you were to take your opinion of my argument and place it somewhere special, but as you said, you're free to be you.
I posted news that the NBA never cleared him and expressed my displeasure. I got quoted and I responded. Then, you chose to not attack the veracity of my argument, but attach the fact that I'm arguing. I would appreciate it if, rather than attacking me personally, you attacked the argument.
Rant refers to your posts, not you. Not a personal attack.
Not being "cleared" is just semantic nonsense. The league didn't find sufficient evidence to take action. Period. That's essentially what you get when a jury decides that someone is not guilty. Not guilty doesn't mean the same thing as innocent. New evidence could come to light, but that doesn't make it likely.
Most of this "reporting" sounds like another one of Barry Jackson's tantrums, specifically engineered to rile people up because it’s to his benefit. Consider the source.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world...
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:Again, no one told you not to talk. Calling your ongoing rants tedious (they are) is not the same thing. Say whatever you want and I will too. I truly think that it would be better for you—your sanity, if nothing else—if you give it a rest for a while, but you do you.
I think it would be best for your sanity... Truly... If you were to take your opinion of my argument and place it somewhere special, but as you said, you're free to be you.
I posted news that the NBA never cleared him and expressed my displeasure. I got quoted and I responded. Then, you chose to not attack the veracity of my argument, but attach the fact that I'm arguing. I would appreciate it if, rather than attacking me personally, you attacked the argument.
Rant refers to your posts, not you. Not a personal attack.
Not being "cleared" is just semantic nonsense. The league didn't find sufficient evidence to take action. Period. That's essentially what you get when a jury decides that someone is not guilty. Not guilty doesn't mean the same thing as innocent. New evidence could come to light, but that doesn't make it likely.
Most of this "reporting" sounds like another one of Barry Jackson's tantrums, specifically engineered to rile people up because it’s to his benefit. Consider the source.
"Terry's investigation was never closed, so he was not cleared of anything. Us not being able to find something is not the same as cleared. It is true we did not find a violation of our rules, but we did not close our investigation."
That's from the Pablo Torre podcast and is a quote from a league source. Pablo Torre works for ESPN, MSNBC, and NBC News while also having his own podcast.
I'm sorry, no matter how many times you say it, nothing makes what the league or what Charlotte did to us ethical. They withheld vital information that would have changed whether we made that trade or not and put the veracity of our games in question. As I said earlier, we had him for a full year before the FBI investigation became a known entity. Who knows if he tried doing the same crap in Miami?
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I think it would be best for your sanity... Truly... If you were to take your opinion of my argument and place it somewhere special, but as you said, you're free to be you.
I posted news that the NBA never cleared him and expressed my displeasure. I got quoted and I responded. Then, you chose to not attack the veracity of my argument, but attach the fact that I'm arguing. I would appreciate it if, rather than attacking me personally, you attacked the argument.
Rant refers to your posts, not you. Not a personal attack.
Not being "cleared" is just semantic nonsense. The league didn't find sufficient evidence to take action. Period. That's essentially what you get when a jury decides that someone is not guilty. Not guilty doesn't mean the same thing as innocent. New evidence could come to light, but that doesn't make it likely.
Most of this "reporting" sounds like another one of Barry Jackson's tantrums, specifically engineered to rile people up because it’s to his benefit. Consider the source.
"Terry's investigation was never closed, so he was not cleared of anything. Us not being able to find something is not the same as cleared. It is true we did not find a violation of our rules, but we did not close our investigation."
That's from the Pablo Torre podcast and is a quote from a league source. Pablo Torre works for ESPN, MSNBC, and NBC News while also having his own podcast.
I'm sorry, no matter how many times you say it, nothing makes what the league or what Charlotte did to us ethical. They withheld vital information that would have changed whether we made that trade or not and put the veracity of our games in question. As I said earlier, we had him for a full year before the FBI investigation became a known entity. Who knows if he tried doing the same crap in Miami?
And not cleared means absolutely nothing. The league had insufficient evidence to take ANY action. Disclosing an investigation which went NOWHERE could have opened the league up to litigation.
He had a legitimate injury which the league openly confirmed via their spokesman — not anonymously via a podcast — had shown up in a scan of his foot. This prop bet issue could be something as simple as him mentioning to a buddy that his foot hurt and the friend took it and ran with it. The mere fact that—for obvious show purposes—the Justice Department chose to make arrests on the same day in multiple unrelated gambling cases involving NBA personnel makes me trust in their case even less.
Unless and until some legitimate evidence is presented the Heat have zero recourse. Be pissed all you want, rant all you want, it changes nothing.
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:Rant refers to your posts, not you. Not a personal attack.
Not being "cleared" is just semantic nonsense. The league didn't find sufficient evidence to take action. Period. That's essentially what you get when a jury decides that someone is not guilty. Not guilty doesn't mean the same thing as innocent. New evidence could come to light, but that doesn't make it likely.
Most of this "reporting" sounds like another one of Barry Jackson's tantrums, specifically engineered to rile people up because it’s to his benefit. Consider the source.
"Terry's investigation was never closed, so he was not cleared of anything. Us not being able to find something is not the same as cleared. It is true we did not find a violation of our rules, but we did not close our investigation."
That's from the Pablo Torre podcast and is a quote from a league source. Pablo Torre works for ESPN, MSNBC, and NBC News while also having his own podcast.
I'm sorry, no matter how many times you say it, nothing makes what the league or what Charlotte did to us ethical. They withheld vital information that would have changed whether we made that trade or not and put the veracity of our games in question. As I said earlier, we had him for a full year before the FBI investigation became a known entity. Who knows if he tried doing the same crap in Miami?
And not cleared means absolutely nothing. The league had insufficient evidence to take ANY action. Disclosing an investigation which went NOWHERE could have opened the league up to litigation.
He had a legitimate injury which the league openly confirmed via their spokesman — not anonymously via a podcast — had shown up in a scan of his foot. This prop bet issue could be something as simple as him mentioning to a buddy that his foot hurt and the friend took it and ran with it. The mere fact that—for obvious show purposes—the Justice Department chose to make arrests on the same day in multiple unrelated gambling cases involving NBA personnel makes me trust in their case even less.
Unless and until some legitimate evidence is presented the Heat have zero recourse. Be pissed all you want, rant all you want, it changes nothing.
I've read that the Heat are, indeed, weighing their options in terms of recourse. As they should, even if they end up agreeing with you. They feel agreived, as well they should. And you can be pissed at my rants all you want. I recognize it changes nothing, but I enjoy expressing myself. If you don't like that, you're welcome to ignore my "rants", especially if you can't engage in discussion without being insulting.
Good day, sir!
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BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:"Terry's investigation was never closed, so he was not cleared of anything. Us not being able to find something is not the same as cleared. It is true we did not find a violation of our rules, but we did not close our investigation."
That's from the Pablo Torre podcast and is a quote from a league source. Pablo Torre works for ESPN, MSNBC, and NBC News while also having his own podcast.
I'm sorry, no matter how many times you say it, nothing makes what the league or what Charlotte did to us ethical. They withheld vital information that would have changed whether we made that trade or not and put the veracity of our games in question. As I said earlier, we had him for a full year before the FBI investigation became a known entity. Who knows if he tried doing the same crap in Miami?
And not cleared means absolutely nothing. The league had insufficient evidence to take ANY action. Disclosing an investigation which went NOWHERE could have opened the league up to litigation.
He had a legitimate injury which the league openly confirmed via their spokesman — not anonymously via a podcast — had shown up in a scan of his foot. This prop bet issue could be something as simple as him mentioning to a buddy that his foot hurt and the friend took it and ran with it. The mere fact that—for obvious show purposes—the Justice Department chose to make arrests on the same day in multiple unrelated gambling cases involving NBA personnel makes me trust in their case even less.
Unless and until some legitimate evidence is presented the Heat have zero recourse. Be pissed all you want, rant all you want, it changes nothing.
I've read that the Heat are, indeed, weighing their options in terms of recourse. As they should, even if they end up agreeing with you. They feel agreived, as well they should. And you can be pissed at my rants all you want. I recognize it changes nothing, but I enjoy expressing myself. If you don't like that, you're welcome to ignore my "rants", especially if you can't engage in discussion without being insulting.
Good day, sir!
I'm not pissed at your rants, just bored by them at this point. I never insulted you but I did push back against what you said. If you feel persecuted whenever you're contradicted, that's sad. I'm sorry you feel that way.
You, however, essentially told me to shove my opinions up my ass.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world...
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SkyHook wrote:BBallFreak wrote:SkyHook wrote:And not cleared means absolutely nothing. The league had insufficient evidence to take ANY action. Disclosing an investigation which went NOWHERE could have opened the league up to litigation.
He had a legitimate injury which the league openly confirmed via their spokesman — not anonymously via a podcast — had shown up in a scan of his foot. This prop bet issue could be something as simple as him mentioning to a buddy that his foot hurt and the friend took it and ran with it. The mere fact that—for obvious show purposes—the Justice Department chose to make arrests on the same day in multiple unrelated gambling cases involving NBA personnel makes me trust in their case even less.
Unless and until some legitimate evidence is presented the Heat have zero recourse. Be pissed all you want, rant all you want, it changes nothing.
I've read that the Heat are, indeed, weighing their options in terms of recourse. As they should, even if they end up agreeing with you. They feel agreived, as well they should. And you can be pissed at my rants all you want. I recognize it changes nothing, but I enjoy expressing myself. If you don't like that, you're welcome to ignore my "rants", especially if you can't engage in discussion without being insulting.
Good day, sir!
I'm not pissed at your rants, just bored by them at this point. I never insulted you but I did push back against what you said. If you feel persecuted whenever you're contradicted, that's sad. I'm sorry you feel that way.
You, however, essentially told me to shove my opinions up my ass.![]()
After you called my opinions tedious rants and questioned my sanity, yes I did.
As I said, good day sir.
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Re: FBI arrests multiple players and coaches for gambling
BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I call BS. We haven't been harmed? Are you kidding me?
How many bad games has he had in Miami? How many were because he was helping a friend win a bet? Gamblers gamble. And he had to know they were watching the usual channels, so I guarantee you he was making under the table bets. That puts every game he's been involved in while in Miami in question. That puts the organization, itself, at risk. And it puts the burden of proof on you to prove he didn't gamble while in Miami.
This is a guy who harmed the integrity of the game. We wouldn't have given a damned thing had we known!
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
Johntay Porter got suspended because he got caught. Rozier didn't get caught because all the league had was a friend of his betting on an end of season game, for a bad team, where Rozier pulled himself out after nine minutes. The NBA then suspended him while they investigated the incident for several months. If they had the goods, they would have suspended him.
I don't know what, if anything, the Heat or Hornets were told about the investigation or resolution. For whatever it's worth, unless the CBA expressly forbids it, I think the league absolutely has a duty to disclose its findings, even if those findings are inconclusive.
That said, you've tried and convicted Rozier of the Hornets charges after DOJ reportedly told his attorney he wasn't a target, and based on an indictment that appears to contain uncorroberated accomplice testimony. (I do assume DOJ has some type of corroboration due the fact that the charges were brought, but the standards on that front are not what they used to be).
You've also convicted him of gambling on Heat games, despite no such charges being brought, and declared him to be a gambling attic. It's not implausible, but there's going to have to be either evidence or an allocution to bear that out. There's also going to need to be some evidence that the Hornets knew more than the league for the Heat to get their pick back.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Re: FBI arrests multiple players and coaches for gambling
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Re: FBI arrests multiple players and coaches for gambling
jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
I suspect that if he bet on his games while in Miami, we'd have read about it in the indictment. Right now, there's been no evidence introduced in court that he bet on games when in Charlotte. It would be pretty stupid of him to continue betting on his own games when he knew he was either under investigation, or had been under investigation, before getting traded. I have that scenario as really unlikely. If I'm wrong, that does change things.
I don't care if you're right, you're still wrong! It's why Johntay Porter will never play an NBA game again! They can't take the chance of him gambling again. Don't you think he could say, "Hey, I got caught. I'd be stupid to do it again."? They're still not letting him put on the jersey! And gambling is an addiction! He was stupid to do it in the first place. Still did it! Why? Because people addicted to gambling can't help themselves!
And they knew this was a possibility! What if the trade had gone through and the next day they'd found proof? What if he did do it in Miami? Dude thought he'd gotten away with it! It was announced the NBA cleared him! So why wouldn't he think he could get away with it again?
Johntay Porter got suspended because he got caught. Rozier didn't get caught because all the league had was a friend of his betting on an end of season game, for a bad team, where Rozier pulled himself out after nine minutes. The NBA then suspended him while they investigated the incident for several months. If they had the goods, they would have suspended him.
I don't know what the Heat or Hornets were told, if anything. For whatever it's worth, unless the CBA expressly forbids it, I think the league absolutely has a duty to disclose its findings, even if those findings are inconclusive.
That said, you've tried and convicted Rozier of the Hornets charges after DOJ reportedly told his attorney he wasn't a target, and based on an indictment that appears to contain uncorroberated accomplice testimony. (I do assume DOJ has some type of corroboration due the fact that the charges were brought, but the standards on that front are not what they used to be).
You've also convicted him of gambling on Heat games, despite no such charges being brought, and declared him to be a gambling attic. It's not implausible, but there's going to have to be either evidence or an allocution to bear that out. There's also going to need to be some evidence that the Hornets knew more than the league for the Heat to get their pick back.
Let me clarify; I'm not accusing him of anything that the FBI isn't. I'm refuting the idea that no harm was done to Miami. Literally every game he played in for a year has to be examined under a microscope. Integrity of the game is something that's supposed to be important to all of us and I can't help but feeling like he tainted Heat culture and helped ruin a very special era for us. We could have traded that pick for a player who actually wanted to help us, rather than gambling his life away.
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