The Dallas Mavericks now have the 4th best defense and the 30th best offense, will defense win them the championship?

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Re: The Dallas Mavericks now have the 4th best defense and the 30th best offense, will defense win them the championship 

Post#81 » by bonita_the_frog » Tue Nov 4, 2025 3:38 pm

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They need someone to create for others, because nobody can't create anything, that's not Kyrie. You can't transform the worst offense in the league in good one with addition of Iso player alone.

And when talking about Kyrie, he will be out for a year, when he returns. You people honestly believe he will immediately be his best version? And then you have time restrictions, load management...

No i never believed Kyrie would return to his best, just that he'd give them a player who can score off the the dribble and create his own shot.
I've seen teams winning without a facilitator, so they don't really need Kyrie to play the traditional Point Guard role.
Look at Houston, the 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA despite no facilitator.
Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


I don't believe you understand how bad Mavs roster is in creating for themselves or others. They have the worst offensive rtg for the reason. This team was built for Luka, who was the whole system. Now you have just bunch of role players, who can't create anything.

Rockets have Sengun, who can shoot and playmake. Mavs have Lively and Gafford who can't do either.

Rockets have Sengun and KD, while Mavs have AD and eventually Kyrie.
But I agree Houston have a better offense than Dallas, because Amen Thompson is very good at scoring off the dribble.
Dallas will be banking on their defense being good enough to compensate for not having the best offense in the West.
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Post#82 » by Bob8 » Tue Nov 4, 2025 3:45 pm

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bonita_the_frog wrote:No i never believed Kyrie would return to his best, just that he'd give them a player who can score off the the dribble and create his own shot.
I've seen teams winning without a facilitator, so they don't really need Kyrie to play the traditional Point Guard role.
Look at Houston, the 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA despite no facilitator.
Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


I don't believe you understand how bad Mavs roster is in creating for themselves or others. They have the worst offensive rtg for the reason. This team was built for Luka, who was the whole system. Now you have just bunch of role players, who can't create anything.

Rockets have Sengun, who can shoot and playmake. Mavs have Lively and Gafford who can't do either.

Rockets have Sengun and KD, while Mavs have AD and eventually Kyrie.
But I agree Houston have a better offense than Dallas, because Amen Thompson is very good at scoring off the dribble.
Dallas will be banking on their defense being good enough to compensate for not having the best offense in the West.


Something is not having the best offense, something completely different is having the worst offense, with or without Kyrie. Sengun is averaging 7.6 assists, AD 2.2.
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Post#83 » by bonita_the_frog » Tue Nov 4, 2025 3:46 pm

Also Dallas beat OKC THREE times last season without Doncic in the line-up...
November 17 = Mavs 121, Thunder 119
January 17 = Mavs 106, Thunder 98
January 23 = Mavs 121, Thunder 115
And all of them were before they acquired AD.
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Post#84 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:30 pm

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dirkdiggler4177 wrote:It will be interesting to see how this team is playing once the centers are back. Like the last two games have been much better on offense, but lacking size inside. The first games were filled with silly turnovers.

They are better because the centers are out, Flagg/PJ as forwards with a center is better than AD at the 4 that kills all spacing and offensive creativity.


I agree with that one, but have the turnovers been because of that? My subjective impression when watching them is that they have not been in sync in the first few games. Like, just silly turnovers, not directly because of playing to centers. With that said, two centers have not looked, but nothing else has until lately :lol:
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Post#85 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:30 pm

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Pelly24 wrote:I think Kyrie coming back by the beginning of December would completely fix most things.


Kyrie makes the Mavs a .500 team. The Mavs frontcourt is a bigger problem than the current point guard issues.



Front court?! How?
Look at the frontcourt players the Mavs have. PJ Washington is the only keeper and primarily due to the extension he signed. Anthony Davis and Klay need to go. They're both negatives. Who is AD going to contain or stop in the postseason? Klay needs a bench role or he needs to be traded.
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Post#86 » by Archx » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:42 pm

bonita_the_frog wrote:Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:
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Post#87 » by Bob8 » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:51 pm

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bonita_the_frog wrote:Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:


And even worse when he doesn't play. ;) His on/off is + 1.3. The disastrous one is Flagg, -15.7 +/- and -23.5 on/off. The only question is, is Flagg that bad or Kidd total idiot, I believe later.

But yes, AD isn't capable of leading good team.
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Post#88 » by MrGoat » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:54 pm

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bonita_the_frog wrote:Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:


And even worse when he doesn't play. ;) His on/off is + 1.3. The disastrous one is Flagg, -15.7 +/- and -23.5 on/off. The only question is, is Flagg that bad or Kidd total idiot, I believe later.


Kidd is going to cost Flagg ROY, they're not doing him any favors with the way they're playing him right now. Flagg will be fine in the long run
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Post#89 » by Bob8 » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:55 pm

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Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:


And even worse when he doesn't play. ;) His on/off is + 1.3. The disastrous one is Flagg, -15.7 +/- and -23.5 on/off. The only question is, is Flagg that bad or Kidd total idiot, I believe later.


Kidd is going to cost Flagg ROY, they're not doing him any favors with the way they're playing him right now. Flagg will be fine in the long run


Problem is, expectation are much higher than just being fine.
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Post#90 » by bonita_the_frog » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:55 pm

Archx wrote:
bonita_the_frog wrote:Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:

Its only early in the season, so I don't worry about AD, he'll get there :thumbsup:
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Post#91 » by Bob8 » Tue Nov 4, 2025 6:57 pm

bonita_the_frog wrote:
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bonita_the_frog wrote:Any team with AD and Kyrie and great defense, will go far.


Have you even seen this version of AD or not? Mavs are -7.6 per 100 poss when AD plays :noway:

Its only early in the season, so I don't worry about AD, he'll get there :thumbsup:


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Post#92 » by DS17 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 1:59 am

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Kyrie makes the Mavs a .500 team. The Mavs frontcourt is a bigger problem than the current point guard issues.



Front court?! How?
Look at the frontcourt players the Mavs have. PJ Washington is the only keeper and primarily due to the extension he signed. Anthony Davis and Klay need to go. They're both negatives. Who is AD going to contain or stop in the postseason? Klay needs a bench role or he needs to be traded.


i mean ive seen AD be a top 2 defender at his position since 2019, so i am not sure what you are saying about him being a negative and who he is going to stop or contain? :/
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Post#93 » by Archx » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:07 am

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Front court?! How?
Look at the frontcourt players the Mavs have. PJ Washington is the only keeper and primarily due to the extension he signed. Anthony Davis and Klay need to go. They're both negatives. Who is AD going to contain or stop in the postseason? Klay needs a bench role or he needs to be traded.


i mean ive seen AD be a top 2 defender at his position since 2019, so i am not sure what you are saying about him being a negative and who he is going to stop or contain? :/


Mavs are -7.6 when he's playing. That's seriously bad. He's not in the best shape and he's simply not comfortable yet. They actually looked better in those games without AD, they just have some problems with injuries already, all 3 main centers.
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Post#94 » by MrGoat » Thu Nov 6, 2025 6:26 am

The Mavs just put up only 99 points against the Pelican's 29th ranked defense. They were already two points behind the 29th ranked Wizards on offense and that doesn't look like it is going to improve, the Mavs are the only team the Wizards have beat so far this season. There have now been 16 games this season where a team has had an offensive rating below 101, 6 of those are by the Mavs. Jason Kidd is getting absolutely exposed as a coach without Luka. They didn't have half man half a season available but the Pelicans were missing Zion, DeJounte Murray, Jordan Poole, and Yves Missi. The Mavericks are now the bottom team in the West

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Post#95 » by Black Jack » Thu Nov 6, 2025 6:30 am

No

Also why not trade one of their many bigs for a guard?
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Post#97 » by SlimShady83 » Thu Nov 6, 2025 6:52 am

Just a question. Do the Mavs have a high pick this year or something as well?

Like I know my bold predictions of them being number 1 was well bold, but dead last as we speak wtf?
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Post#98 » by levon » Thu Nov 6, 2025 6:53 am

Just jump on the Lakers bandwagon, Dallas fans. Nobody will blame you for doing so while Flagg loads and that franchise resets.
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Post#99 » by MrGoat » Thu Nov 6, 2025 7:29 am

SlimShady83 wrote:Just a question. Do the Mavs have a high pick this year or something as well?

Like I know my bold predictions of them being number 1 was well bold, but dead last as we speak wtf?


They do control their pick this season, and won't again until 2031. So it might already be time to ask AD and Kyrie to take their time coming back from injury
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Post#100 » by SlimShady83 » Thu Nov 6, 2025 7:30 am

MrGoat wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:Just a question. Do the Mavs have a high pick this year or something as well?

Like I know my bold predictions of them being number 1 was well bold, but dead last as we speak wtf?


They do control their pick this season, and won't again until 2031. So it might already be time to ask AD and Kyrie to take their time coming back from injury


Yeh might be on that situation then, thanks ;)
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