NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4

[Mr B]

I forgot to factor in Clark's salary in the deal, he is making around 20m next year.

So Cowboys dont even get Pickens, he is extra. It is Williams+Clark+1st for Parsons+2nd. The guy is right, all that is for moving up few spots, there are no cap savings.

Having cap space is not the goal though. The goal is to have a good defense.

Well, I assume you’re not paying good defensive players with good vibes. They very much depend on each other.

Well I mean if we want to talk cap space going into today the Cowboys already had the 2nd most cap space in the NFL. Having all that cap space wasn’t doing anything for their defense.

So let’s try something else. Also I said before and I’ll say it again, the cap space is not that big a deal unless the money is actually coming out of your pockets. Also the cap can be manipulated a million different ways. There are a few teams in the NFL right now with 6-8 players making over $20M. If I’m not mistaken the eagles are one of them and everyone seems to love what they’re doing.

[Mr B]

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.

Yep this is all El Turco really needs to know

We had Parsons last season, and we had the worst defense in the league. This isn't a theory, it literally wasn't working.

You dont have him this year and you still have the worst defense. Sounds like he wasnt the problem.

Did you miss the part where they just traded for the best run stopping DT in the NFL? Playing next to the guy that was Green Bay’s best run defender? They also picked up a pretty decent LB.

The pieces are now there for their defense to be greatly improved. The only question I have now is what the hell is up with Matt Eberflus? I expect they will upgrade the DC this off season.

[El Turco]

Because as great as Parsons is as rushing the passer he’s equally as bad at stopping the run. Again Parsons is great at getting to the QB but he has zero interest in setting the edge or keeping containment. He is ALL about getting to the QB even if that leaves his defense teammates in bad positions.

Again, you can throw out stats, I’m just going by what I see with my own two eyes.

I mean Packers are one of the best in stopping the run, so I guess it is not impossible to build a good run stopping team with him.

Now you get it. That’s why for the Packers getting Parsons was a great idea. They already had a good defense and were good at stopping the run. They only lacked an elite pass rush. Parsons gravity on the field is why Gary is 5th in sacks.

Parsons was a luxury in Dallas. Their run defense was atrocious. They need to be able to stop the run before they can figure out how to rush the passer. Now that they are able to stop the run, they can now focus on getting a better pass rush. Whoever they get doesn’t have to be the best in the league. With their ability to stop the run now they just need someone who’s above average at getting to the QB. Obviously we all would love for the Cowboys to find another Micah Parsons but that’s not a necessity.

I just dont subscribe to the idea that you first need to stop the run to rush the passer or fix your defense. If you do that's fine, but I would wager most of the nfl would be with me considering pass rushers get paid like they are the second most important position in the game. Then comes the defensive backs, then maybe run stoppers.

It is a league of passers now, doesnt mean run defense isnt valuable but both run offense and defense are secondary issues for teams.

[Mr B]

I mean Packers are one of the best in stopping the run, so I guess it is not impossible to build a good run stopping team with him.

Now you get it. That’s why for the Packers getting Parsons was a great idea. They already had a good defense and were good at stopping the run. They only lacked an elite pass rush. Parsons gravity on the field is why Gary is 5th in sacks.

Parsons was a luxury in Dallas. Their run defense was atrocious. They need to be able to stop the run before they can figure out how to rush the passer. Now that they are able to stop the run, they can now focus on getting a better pass rush. Whoever they get doesn’t have to be the best in the league. With their ability to stop the run now they just need someone who’s above average at getting to the QB. Obviously we all would love for the Cowboys to find another Micah Parsons but that’s not a necessity.

I just dont subscribe to the idea that you first need to stop the run to rush the passer or fix your defense. If you do that's fine, but I would wager most of the nfl would be with me considering pass rushers get paid like they are the second most important position in the game. Then comes the defensive backs, then maybe run stoppers.

It is a league of passers now, doesnt mean run defense isnt valuable but both run offense and defense are secondary issues for teams.

The best teams are still built from the inside-out.

[El Turco]

Yep this is all El Turco really needs to know

We had Parsons last season, and we had the worst defense in the league. This isn't a theory, it literally wasn't working.

You dont have him this year and you still have the worst defense. Sounds like he wasnt the problem.

Did you miss the part where they just traded for the best run stopping DT in the NFL? Playing next to the guy that was Green Bay’s best run defender? They also picked up a pretty decent LB.

The pieces are now there for their defense to be greatly improved. The only question I have now is what the hell is up with Matt Eberflus? I expect they will upgrade the DC this off season.

I dont know how that is relevant to what I said. With Parsons you had the worst defense, without Parsons you still have the worst defense. We'll see what happens with the new guys but I'd wager improvement will be marginal considering you are giving up 254 passing yards per game.

[El Turco]

Now you get it. That’s why for the Packers getting Parsons was a great idea. They already had a good defense and were good at stopping the run. They only lacked an elite pass rush. Parsons gravity on the field is why Gary is 5th in sacks.

Parsons was a luxury in Dallas. Their run defense was atrocious. They need to be able to stop the run before they can figure out how to rush the passer. Now that they are able to stop the run, they can now focus on getting a better pass rush. Whoever they get doesn’t have to be the best in the league. With their ability to stop the run now they just need someone who’s above average at getting to the QB. Obviously we all would love for the Cowboys to find another Micah Parsons but that’s not a necessity.

I just dont subscribe to the idea that you first need to stop the run to rush the passer or fix your defense. If you do that's fine, but I would wager most of the nfl would be with me considering pass rushers get paid like they are the second most important position in the game. Then comes the defensive backs, then maybe run stoppers.

It is a league of passers now, doesnt mean run defense isnt valuable but both run offense and defense are secondary issues for teams.

The best teams are still built from the inside-out.

Depends on how inside out. Center is not more valuable than a left tackle. Building thru lines is a good idea but there are hierarchies within lines.

[RIPskaterdude]

I hope the Bengals lose the rest of their games smh

[Cactus Jack]

It is Williams+Clark+1st for Parsons+2nd. The guy is right, all that is for moving up few spots, there are no cap savings.

Yup.

Williams is a stud. I actually like the move for Dallas. Assuming they continue to add & address some of their other weaknesses in the offseason.

Kenny Clark is also fairly decent as a starter. But most teams would prefer to have Parsons for obvious reasons. Because he's still the best player changing teams.

[wco81]

I'd take Pickens+Williams+1st rd pick for Parsons

It'd be Parsons + 2nd + 3rd round picks, and still wouldnt make any improvements to your defense.

The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.

Both Clark and Quinnen Williams will be earning over $20 million each next year.

They're not getting that kind of salary as DTs just because they can play the run. Presumably they're paid because they've shown the ability to rush the QB playing from the inside position.

[Mr B]

You dont have him this year and you still have the worst defense. Sounds like he wasnt the problem.

Did you miss the part where they just traded for the best run stopping DT in the NFL? Playing next to the guy that was Green Bay’s best run defender? They also picked up a pretty decent LB.

The pieces are now there for their defense to be greatly improved. The only question I have now is what the hell is up with Matt Eberflus? I expect they will upgrade the DC this off season.

I dont know how that is relevant to what I said. With Parsons you had the worst defense, without Parsons you still have the worst defense. We'll see what happens with the new guys but I'd wager improvement will be marginal considering you are giving up 254 passing yards per game.

It’s relevant because you’re saying we don’t have Parsons but leaving out the part where they also haven’t played with their new acquisitions yet. We really won’t know if trading Micah was worth it until the end of next season.

[Mr B]

I just dont subscribe to the idea that you first need to stop the run to rush the passer or fix your defense. If you do that's fine, but I would wager most of the nfl would be with me considering pass rushers get paid like they are the second most important position in the game. Then comes the defensive backs, then maybe run stoppers.

It is a league of passers now, doesnt mean run defense isnt valuable but both run offense and defense are secondary issues for teams.

The best teams are still built from the inside-out.

Depends on how inside out. Center is not more valuable than a left tackle. Building thru lines is a good idea but there are hierarchies within lines.

The Eagles rebuilt their defense around 2 stud DT’s. Some of the pieces may have already been in Philly but make no mistake that defense is successful because of those two big guys in the middle.

What made the Rams defense successful? Stud DT. Also Vince Wolfolk was the most important player on those Patriot defenses for years. Bucs defense with Vita Vea. Great defenses always have at least 1 elite DT. On paper the Cowboys have that guy now. We will see how they build around him.

[Mr B]

I just dont subscribe to the idea that you first need to stop the run to rush the passer or fix your defense. If you do that's fine, but I would wager most of the nfl would be with me considering pass rushers get paid like they are the second most important position in the game. Then comes the defensive backs, then maybe run stoppers.

It is a league of passers now, doesnt mean run defense isnt valuable but both run offense and defense are secondary issues for teams.

The best teams are still built from the inside-out.

Depends on how inside out. Center is not more valuable than a left tackle. Building thru lines is a good idea but there are hierarchies within lines.

Maybe not but building the OL is extremely important. Plus if you don’t have a good center it won’t matter how good your LT is. Teams will just rush you up the middle. It happened to Tony Romo for years until they drafted Travis Fredrick. Tyron Smith was the best LT in the game at the time but Romo would barely have time to take the snap before he had a defender in his lap. So you can’t totally disregard Center either or you can’t just fill it with some scrub.

[Mr B]

It'd be Parsons + 2nd + 3rd round picks, and still wouldnt make any improvements to your defense.

The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.

Both Clark and Quinnen Williams will be earning over $20 million each next year.

They're not getting that kind of salary as DTs just because they can play the run. Presumably they're paid because they've shown the ability to rush the QB playing from the inside position.

Neither was brought here to rush the passer. They were brought in to stop the run and make the defense more physical. Now that they have that covered they can work on adding a pass rusher.

[Cactus Jack]

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[Mr Swagtastic]

Can anybody please make sense on these stupid rumors that The Jets are going to get Lamar Jackson or Burrow or Hurbert with the 1st round picks they got from Dallas and Indy plus theirs this year? Jackson isn't going anywhere neither is Joe and I think it's safe to say same with Justin.

IMHO those guys should automatically reject any deal

Jets are looking to rebuild for the next 3 drafts and hopefully hitting on each pick. Obviously the above mentioned QBs will help but it's like going from 1-2 wins to 5-6 wins IMHO they can't do everything with just Hall, Wilson and a bunch of "what's his name?" type of guys

[Mr B]

Can anybody please make sense on these stupid rumors that The Jets are going to get Lamar Jackson or Burrow or Hurbert with the 1st round picks they got from Dallas and Indy plus theirs this year? Jackson isn't going anywhere neither is Joe and I think it's safe to say same with Justin.

IMHO those guys should automatically reject any deal

Jets are looking to rebuild for the next 3 drafts and hopefully hitting on each pick. Obviously the above mentioned QBs will help but it's like going from 1-2 wins to 5-6 wins IMHO they can't do everything with just Hall, Wilson and a bunch of "what's his name?" type of guys

They will likely just draft one of the disappointing QB’s from this current class.

[Micah Prescott]

Have to assume the Jets are also creating a sh*t-ton of cap space off loading their stars and can be big players in free agency grab what ever big names hit the market next season.

[El Turco]

Got lost in the fuss but Shaheed trade was a good one. He did a great job stretching the field whenever I watched Saints games, he will make it very difficult to double team JSN. Getting him for next to nothing is a lowkey nice move.

[JujitsuFlip]

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Bengals asking price was a 2nd for Hendrickson and teams still wouldn't pony up.

He's injured and having a down year, Bengals probably tag him in the spring.

[Mr Swagtastic]

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Bengals asking price was a 2nd for Hendrickson and teams still wouldn't pony up.

He's injured and having a down year, Bengals probably tag him in the spring.

A second is a lot to pay even if your one of the elite teams especially for a potential free agent. I think his value is probably a decent 3rd or 4th