Varsho/Moreno/Kirk Discussion Thread

[Randle McMurphy]

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All true.

Lol need more random bozo from twitter, that Mustard likes to post of unknowns posting some silver hope for Varsho.

If you’re looking for a fair and impartial analysis of Daulton Varsho, why not choose Lindsay - who is the Rogers media broadcaster who does ‘feel good stories’ about the Blue Jays players (including Varsho) and Whit - who is a former Blue Jays teammate and friend of Varsho.

I’m sure they would only say ‘all true’ things about Varsho. LOL.

Statistics are pretty fair and impartial but you didn’t like those much either when they showed how good Varsho is

Funny how that works lol

[C Court]

Did you even listen to the podcast you posted? Lindsay and Whit did NOT mention a single stat.

Instead it was basically Whit opining that Varsho’s catch saved the game, his home run earlier in the series won that game and the Jays would not have made the playoffs without Varsho in September.

It was 100% Whit’s opinion of his former teammate and friend, with Lindsay nodding along. LOL

Funny that you only like ‘your’ stats, but not the stats that I post or that others post.

[GameChannel]

Did you even listen to the podcast you posted? Lindsay and Whit did NOT mention a single stat.

Instead it was basically Whit opining that Varsho’s catch saved the game, his home run earlier in the series won that game and the Jays would not have made the playoffs without Varsho in September.

It was 100% Whit’s opinion of his former teammate and friend, with Lindsay nodding along. LOL

Funny that you only like ‘your’ stats, but not the stats that I post or that others post.

Only RM’s hand-picked stats count. Did you not know this?

[brwnman]

You can post whatever nonsense you like, it hasn’t stopped you before.

Ah it’s nonsense using the same stats you did but now it doesn’t help your narrative. Sad.

They literally have nothing. Jays got FLEECED!

I don’t have a narrative, I have facts on my side.

Makes things a lot easier.

‘Alternative’ facts, sure.

[brwnman]

Is Varsho's shoulder supposed to heal this off-season, or is he cooked as a defender too? Right now he's a below-average hitter with zero range who can make nice catches in the OF. That's not very valuable.

Varsho's fWAR rate this year was only behind Springer and Kirk among Jays players. That is the definition of extremely valuable.

Pretty good chance Kirk and Varsho will also lead the team in WAR next year if they stay healthy as well (unless Vlad chooses to take his playoff form to the regular season and doesn't decide to spend half of the year just hitting groundballs).

Moreno's fWAR rate was higher than Varsho this year, in case anyone was wondering.

as per Randle, that is the definition of being extremely valuable and we can now firmly conclude that Moreno is more valuable than Varsho.

Oh and btw, Moreno's fWAR rate was higher in 2024 and 2023 as well.

Thank you RM, it finally happened after ~115 pages.

What they gonna say now? Only way to get out of this one is to argue against yourself

[Randle McMurphy]

Ah it’s nonsense using the same stats you did but now it doesn’t help your narrative. Sad.

They literally have nothing. Jays got FLEECED!

I don’t have a narrative, I have facts on my side.

Makes things a lot easier.

‘Alternative’ facts, sure.

A Post-truth world fits your "narrative", that's for sure.

[Randle McMurphy]

Did you even listen to the podcast you posted? Lindsay and Whit did NOT mention a single stat.

Who said anything about them posting stats? I posted stats showing Varsho's significant value in 2025, which you ignored.

They spoke facts (Varsho's catch did save the game and Varsho's HR was a massive aspect of the game 1 WS win) but you didn't like those either.

Talk about hate blinding us from the truth.

[brwnman]

I don’t have a narrative, I have facts on my side.

Makes things a lot easier.

‘Alternative’ facts, sure.

A Post-truth world fits your "narrative", that's for sure.

I don’t have a narrative, I have facts on my side, backed by stats. Impartial and fair way to look at it.

[brwnman]

Daulton Varsho left 28 men on base in the Dodgers series. No one else was remotely close to a number that high.

[Mehar]

Daulton Varsho left 28 men on base in the Dodgers series. No one else was remotely close to a number that high.

It is funny how the Varsho lovers like Randle go silent or change the topic, when you point out the fact that Noodle Arm Varsho and his Cricket Swings singlehandedly cost this team a Championship. An astounding 13 men left on base the final two games for Mike Trout 2.0, while going 0 for 9 and looking like a fool chasing balls out of the Strike Zone as usual. Varsho lovers have no come back when you discuss the atrocious hitting of Varsho. They will mention "bad luck" or exit velocity on those outs.

Varsho lovers then change the topic and talk about the "Jays would not had a lead to blow without Varsho". The fact of the matter this Series would have ended in 5 or 6 Games at the latest, if you just had average contribution from your Number 5 hitter. Jays win Game 6 and most likely Game 3, if you also simply had Clement hitting before Varsho.

A move that should have been made based on how awful Varsho was hitting in the Seattle Series. All you needed was this so called "high exit velocity hitter" to get a SAC Fly also in the 9th, and he would have been praised forever in this city. Instead, he will forever be known along with IKF, as the two Clowns that cost this team a Title in 2025.

Question for Fan Boy Randle- can you admit now that your hero Noodle Arm Varsho who went 0 for 9 and left 13 men on base in the final two Games, who sucked at the plate since Game 2 of the ALDS, had no business hitting over Clement all along and 5th in the lineup? You were pretty animated before Game 7 when I and others mentioned he should be hitting 8th and below Clement in Game 7. If that goof Schneider would had him hitting 8th like I suggested, Jays fans are celebrating in the Streets of Toronto and this entire country after Game 6 and Game 7.

[Duffman100]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

[C Court]

Did you even listen to the podcast you posted? Lindsay and Whit did NOT mention a single stat.

Who said anything about them posting stats? I posted stats showing Varsho's significant value in 2025, which you ignored.

They spoke facts (Varsho's catch did save the game and Varsho's HR was a massive aspect of the game 1 WS win) but you didn't like those either.

Talk about hate blinding us from the truth.

For god sakes, you shift the goal posts so often, that you can't keep track of your own twists and turns. Here's a quick refresher:

You posted an X link to a Lindsay Dunn/Whit Merrifield pod which was followed by your post of "All True". I posted an X link from another podcaster which I also commented "All True". Cy responded to me and I replied suggesting that maybe Lindsay and Whit were not necessarily two people who were going to provide fair analysis.

You obviously disagreed. But instead of addressing Lindsay and Whit's conflict of interest and the contents of the podcast that YOU POSTED in the first place, you replied by saying that "statistics are fair and impartial".

WTF? We're not as stupid as you think we are. Everyone can see you just moved the goalposts from the Lindsay/Whit podcast conversation to "impartial statistics". You first talk about A, but reply with Z.

So I replied by pulling the conversation back on track, which was to point out that the Lindsay/Whit podcast contained no stats. As well, I pointed out that if stats are so impartial, then why didn't you accept my facts from a few posts earlier? Maybe its because you are disingenous and only YOUR facts are 'real' facts.

Again you're being called out for moving goal posts, so you pull out another one of your favorite head fakes which is to declare that the other side are haters - "Talk about hate blinding us from the truth". Are you serious? I'm a Blue Jays fan. I don't hate our players. I want our guys to perform well. Except, when they don't - it is fair to criticize.

You are so irrationally invested in defending Daulton Varsho that you've lost your connection to reality. You call him the Jays' MVP and constantly over-hype his on-field performance. If anyone wants to take a more fair and balanced approach or questions the wisdom of Randle - you eventually land on telling us we 'hate'. When you respond that way, we know you got nothing and its Checkmate.

[C Court]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

To be fair, both sides are baiting the other.

[PushDaRock]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

To be fair, both sides are baiting the other.

I agree, there's some Master Baiting going on!!!

[Randle McMurphy]

Did you even listen to the podcast you posted? Lindsay and Whit did NOT mention a single stat.

Who said anything about them posting stats? I posted stats showing Varsho's significant value in 2025, which you ignored.

They spoke facts (Varsho's catch did save the game and Varsho's HR was a massive aspect of the game 1 WS win) but you didn't like those either.

Talk about hate blinding us from the truth.

For god sakes, you shift the goal posts so often, that you can't keep track of your own twists and turns. Here's a quick refresher:

You posted an X link to a Lindsay Dunn/Whit Merrifield pod which was followed by your post of "All True". I posted an X link from another podcaster which I also commented "All True". Cy responded to me and I replied suggesting that maybe Lindsay and Whit were not necessarily two people who were going to provide fair analysis.

You obviously disagreed. But instead of addressing Lindsay and Whit's conflict of interest and the contents of the podcast that YOU POSTED in the first place, you replied by saying that "statistics are fair and impartial".

WTF? We're not as stupid as you think we are. Everyone can see you just moved the goalposts from the Lindsay/Whit podcast conversation to "impartial statistics". You first talk about A, but reply with Z.

So I replied by pulling the conversation back on track, which was to point out that the Lindsay/Whit podcast contained no stats. As well, I pointed out that if stats are so impartial, then why didn't you accept my facts from a few posts earlier? Maybe its because you are disingenous and only YOUR facts are 'real' facts.

Again you're being called out for moving goal posts, so you pull out another one of your favorite head fakes which is to declare that the other side are haters - "Talk about hate blinding us from the truth". Are you serious? I'm a Blue Jays fan. I don't hate our players. I want our guys to perform well. Except, when they don't - it is fair to criticize.

You are so irrationally invested in defending Daulton Varsho that you've lost your connection to reality. You call him the Jays' MVP and constantly over-hype his on-field performance. If anyone wants to take a more fair and balanced approach or questions the wisdom of Randle - you eventually land on telling us we 'hate'. When you respond that way, we know you got nothing and it’s Checkmate.

And now you’re misconstruing the timeline to serve your own purposes.

I posted stats showing Varsho’s value, which you disputed alleging they didn’t actually show Varsho’s value.

I then posted that podcast conversation which sets out facts (that the Jays don’t get to a game 7 let alone have a late lead without Varsho), which you again attacked by alleging some kind of bias on the podcast’s part (as if facts have a bias) and asking for something “fair and impartial” instead.

I then noted that statistics (which I had been posting prior to the podcast clip) don’t have a bias but that you didn’t like those either (presumably because they reveal that Varsho is actually a very good and valuable player for the Jays who was a major reason for their success in 2025).

[Randle McMurphy]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

To be fair, both sides are baiting the other.

I feel like there’s only one side here personally attacking others and calling a great player a piece of garbage and human feces but maybe that’s just me.

[C Court]

I then posted that podcast conversation which sets out facts (that the Jays don’t get to a game 7 let alone have a late lead without Varsho), which you again attacked by alleging some kind of bias on the podcast’s part ( as if facts have a bias ) and asking for something “fair and impartial” instead.

You can't have it both ways. If facts are unbiased and not debatable, then why do you refuse to accept facts that others present you with? You are so heavily invested in Varsho that you refuse to consider stats that are contrary to your bias.

We are Jays fans first. We celebrate Varsho when he's good and we point out flaws when he's not. You only see one side. That's biased.

[C Court]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

To be fair, both sides are baiting the other.

I feel like there’s only one side here personally attacking others and calling a great player a piece of garbage and human feces but maybe that’s just me.

I agree. It's just you.

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[Mehar]

I then posted that podcast conversation which sets out facts (that the Jays don’t get to a game 7 let alone have a late lead without Varsho), which you again attacked by alleging some kind of bias on the podcast’s part ( as if facts have a bias ) and asking for something “fair and impartial” instead.

You can't have it both ways. If facts are unbiased and not debatable, then why do you refuse to accept facts that others present you with? You are so heavily invested in Varsho that you refuse to consider stats that are contrary to your bias.

We are Jays fans first. We celebrate Varsho when he's good and we point out flaws when he's not. You only see one side. That's biased.

Randle is a Varsho fan first, and Jays fan second. His hero Noodle Arm Varsho is immune from any criticism. It is simply "bad luck" when his hero cannot get on base. So that is why I have said in a good faith gesture, that I will buy Randle a Varsho Jersey for the next team his Man Crush plays for in the future.

Ideally, Varsho will be playing alongside IKF and Brendon Little in another bottom feeding franchise in 2026 like the White Sox, where their Fan Base will grow to love "The Three Stooges". Randle can post in that team's forum from time to time and discuss the Exit Velocity of Varsho's Ground Ball Outs and Pop Outs, for the fanbases not familiar with his hero's "elite bat".

[Parataxis]

I guess the "stop baiting a poster" warning was ignored.

To be fair, both sides are baiting the other.

I agree, there's some Master Baiting going on!!!

At least it's mutual?