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Post#1081 » by MrSparkle » Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:06 pm

bledredwine wrote:When people were doubting Jimmy Butler during his early slump (understandably), there was a Scottie Pippen thread where he stated that he was going to be an all-star. I strongly agreed.

When Lauri was slumping, I posted a thread on how I believe he was a future all-star and explained why.
I say this not to brag... but there's a tell on why they had this potential to be great.

Buzelis has the same qualities and I'm calling it right now, albeit a bit later than the other two players (simply because I'm not a following fan like I used to be).

All three of these players show a smarts and craftiness with how they score, combined with a calculated control of their body that is higher than most players. They are always balanced. Simply put, they are very rarely out of control in how they create buckets, and create 2's or 3's this way, which leads to high volume and consistent play. You don't see them taking wild shots as frequently as most players.
You see this balanced body control among the very best boxers as well. It's what separates the Golovkin's, Canelo's, Crawfords from the Garcia's, Pitbull's, and those that are a tier or two below.

Matas uses smart fakes, efficient footwork, great balance, and strength to create his buckets.
That's not unlike Lauri and Jimmy. Compare it to the opposite type of player; a Coby or Zach who though talented, are wilder, sometimes out of control and streaky as a result. Frankly, their smarts suffers from it at times because pushing yourself to less control equates to less mental control of the game as well.

I've noticed that this trait specifically alongside some kind of physical gift is more frequently than not a recipe for an all-star player. Consistent
greatness is what creates the elite players from the rest (today; Lebron, Steph because he's a ridiculously consistent three-baller Durant and so on).

This control was maybe the most absurd and underrated aspect of Jordan's game as well; he created all of these seemingly lucky circus shots out of nothing, but it was because even in those "wild" scenarios, he had such ridiculous mental control of his body that to him, those shots were in control. He was efficient in his movements and always in control, be it, dunk, fadeaway, circus shot, or simple layup. He palmed it, put the correct English, and scored the ball.

Buzelis is this way to a lesser degree (think Lauri).
For the record, I did not see this in Mirotic, nor Coby... but specifically Jimmy, Lauri and now Matas.
All three of these guys can create EFFICIENT movement and buckets while staying in balance
and have physical gifts to do so. All three have been or will be Allstars.
For Buzelis, the physical gifts to play this way are specifically his height and strength, like Lauri.
He has the constant balance. He actually may have better rim game as well.

He apparently has Jimmy's work ethic as well.

He's a future 20+ PER player. It's only a matter of time.


Yea. The big thing is he hasn't even fished for fouls or gotten the whistles yet. I can easily see him averaging 6+ FTAs, and his 85% FTs suggest it'll be free money.

I agree. I also was high on baby Jimmy (still remember him shutting down Carmelo like a boss, in his rare rookie minutes), and do see Matas as a higher-ceiling prospect for obvious reasons. I can't think of Matas' kryptonite: he is a very well-rounded versatile player with length, on-ball skills, athleticism and intangibles. Of course, he'll need to improve at everything to become a star. Most important thing will be ability to score well enough to draw double teams.

But yeah, ball security and awareness are the two most important things for a franchise player IMO, after the baseline averages are met (shooting, defense, athleticism, height). He's had turnovers against ball pressure, but he doesn't seem prone to butter-finger errors like Lavine, Coby and Ben Gordon, nor the awkward/ineffective handles of Deng, Kirk, Lonzo (pre-injury). He gets to the paint and finishes. All the more impressive he's the tallest of that bunch.
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Post#1082 » by Chi town » Fri Oct 31, 2025 1:11 am

Matas Buzelis is the next big thing in Chicago sports.
- Cowley

Great story about Buz and Billy after the foul out game against the Magic.

https://youtu.be/g1_GlJ8HwQI?si=3AreVQebfmO_jWFm
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Post#1083 » by ScrantonBulls » Sat Nov 1, 2025 9:01 pm



Great breakdown. I never realized the defensive potential he has. Matas looks like he has All-Defensive team talent. He's going to be a freaking stud.
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Post#1084 » by Chi town » Yesterday 1:45 am

Early returns confirms my hopes for Buz as a shooter.

He’s looking like a high volume 3pt shooter that can create 3 and shoot over smaller players.

After a bad start he’s over 41% now at 5 per game. I want to see him up to 7 3s per game by end of season.
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Post#1085 » by meekrab » Yesterday 3:21 am

I need to see Matas do more in the next game we're struggling. He was acceptable vs the Knicks but he only took 3 shots in 14.5 minutes in the 2nd half. Not nearly enough from a guy who wants to be the Guy.
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Post#1086 » by Chi town » Yesterday 3:40 am

meekrab wrote:I need to see Matas do more in the next game we're struggling. He was acceptable vs the Knicks but he only took 3 shots in 14.5 minutes in the 2nd half. Not nearly enough from a guy who wants to be the Guy.


Fully agree. Doesn’t help when Okoro and Tre are with him and not doing any favors and providing little threat on the D.
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Post#1087 » by Jstock12 » Yesterday 8:25 am

Matas isn't there yet on both ends but he keeps flashing the 2-way potential, and as Chi town mentioned, it's encouraging to see him continue shooting from 3 at a high level. It's really the main reason why he went from being considered a top3 pick to sliding all the way to #11. Good base to build on.
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Post#1088 » by sco » Yesterday 1:53 pm

Jstock12 wrote:Matas isn't there yet on both ends but he keeps flashing the 2-way potential, and as Chi town mentioned, it's encouraging to see him continue shooting from 3 at a high level. It's really the main reason why he went from being considered a top3 pick to sliding all the way to #11. Good base to build on.

Not sure what is going on the last few games. He seems to be lacking aggressiveness. I know fouls have been a problem too. It's his sophomore year, but I selfishly wanted him to be great out of the gate this season.
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Post#1089 » by MissileMike » Yesterday 2:08 pm

I'm still concerned with his pat-like rebounding.
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Post#1090 » by Ice Man » Yesterday 2:35 pm

In recent games he's been too careful, too deferential. He needs to take more shots and crash the boards more often. Notch up the aggressiveness. He should be our 2nd best player -- but I don't think he quite sees himself yet in that role.
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Post#1091 » by The Force. » Yesterday 2:58 pm

It’s possible that Matas tops out as a very good 2-way role player. Which is still excellent value for an 11 pick.

I’m just not seeing enough of an offensive repertoire to project him as a potential all-star at the moment.

With that said, he’s still very raw and there’s a lot of room for development.
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Post#1092 » by Lexluthor » Yesterday 5:54 pm

I feel like he is the same player as last year . He will have one game that will get you hype then he follow up he just defers and he is quiet
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Post#1093 » by pipfan » Yesterday 7:21 pm

I see him as a marginal All Star, like Deng. That's a great outcome for a #11 pick. I don't see a perineal AS or a HoF type player, but no worries-he'll bring LOTS of great highlights for Chicago over the next 10 years
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Post#1094 » by GoBlue72391 » Yesterday 8:13 pm

I don't really understand the past few comments.

He's 21 and entered the league as a raw athlete with a questionable jumpshot. He's already addressed the jumpshot issue and has demonstrated a handle, craftiness, and shot creation ability that is very rare for players of his size. The near elite explosiveness certainly doesn't hurt either. He's got the work ethic and confidence too.

Some of his finishes and eurosteps and left hand stuff has just been astonishing for his age. The consistency isn't there yet and he still needs to improve those areas as well as others, but this kid has legitimate AS potential, not just delusional fan hope that gets applied to every young 1st round pick.

And I agree he's been hesitant and less aggressive in some recent games, but that's not the norm for him. There was one game where he passed up a standing dunk under the rim, passed up an open 3, and dribbled the ball of himself and I said out loud "Looks like Pat's been rubbing off on him." But again, that's not typical of him.

He's averaging 16 PPG on 49/41/82 splits. What more could you possibly ask for in year 2?

Matas has, so far, answered all my questions and then some. I'm super high on him.
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Post#1095 » by GoBlue72391 » Yesterday 8:16 pm

MissileMike wrote:I'm still concerned with his pat-like rebounding.

This is my only area of concern with him. Even if he's more of a 3 than a 4 longterm, those rebounding numbers need to be better.
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Post#1096 » by madvillian » Yesterday 8:46 pm

Lexluthor wrote:I feel like he is the same player as last year . He will have one game that will get you hype then he follow up he just defers and he is quiet


Dude he's playing 30 minutes a night (other than the silly foul out game) and is averaging 16 a night on 49/41/82, this time last year he wasn't even ready for 15 minutes a night. He's a completely different player than a year ago.

I don't really care about defensive rebounds on a team with Vuc and Giddey and even White when he comes back. I'd much rather he leak out in transition.
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Post#1097 » by WindyCityBorn » Yesterday 11:30 pm

MissileMike wrote:I'm still concerned with his pat-like rebounding.


Giddey rebounds like a big so it evens out. Also I think Matas is a wing. He definitely doesn’t play like PF on offense.
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Post#1098 » by GoBlue72391 » Today 1:17 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
MissileMike wrote:I'm still concerned with his pat-like rebounding.


Giddey rebounds like a big so it evens out. Also I think Matas is a wing. He definitely doesn’t play like PF on offense.

It doesn't balance out, he needs to rebound better. Wing or not, sub-5 RPG isn't going to cut it.
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Post#1099 » by Chi town » Today 5:00 am

Glad he got benched tonight. Needs to continue when he’s passive and not making an impact on D.

Kid has to learn how to draw fouls.

Believe in him. Will be fun to see how he figures it out.
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Post#1100 » by HomoSapien » Today 6:19 am

GoBlue72391 wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
MissileMike wrote:I'm still concerned with his pat-like rebounding.


Giddey rebounds like a big so it evens out. Also I think Matas is a wing. He definitely doesn’t play like PF on offense.

It doesn't balance out, he needs to rebound better. Wing or not, sub-5 RPG isn't going to cut it.


I think he needs to improve too, but per 36 he's averaging 6.5 RPG through 86 career games (for comparison, Pat's career average per 36 is 5.4 rpg).
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