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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#21 » by anotherhomer » Tue Nov 4, 2025 8:52 pm

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ForeverTFC wrote:I can't shake-off this nagging feeling that we're over-earning at the 3pt line given RJ/BI at 37%+ and Scottie/CMB at 45%+, though I guess IQ/Gradey shooting sub 30% evens it out a bit.

Knock on wood.


https://www.nba.com/inside-the-game/shot-difficulty?TeamID=1610612761

35% will still be very good for Scottie considering all the other ways he can impact scoring.


i think the most positive news is the fact raps are 11th overall in the half-court offense.....we used to be last to deadline for the last several years
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#22 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 4, 2025 11:26 pm

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ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:I can't shake-off this nagging feeling that we're over-earning at the 3pt line given RJ/BI at 37%+ and Scottie/CMB at 45%+, though I guess IQ/Gradey shooting sub 30% evens it out a bit.

Knock on wood.


https://www.nba.com/inside-the-game/shot-difficulty?TeamID=1610612761

35% will still be very good for Scottie considering all the other ways he can impact scoring.


i think the most positive news is the fact raps are 11th overall in the half-court offense.....we used to be last to deadline for the last several years



It's likely that they're overreaching a little from 3, but they're doing enough other things very well on offense that even a little backslide there shouldn't be a huge problem.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#23 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 4, 2025 11:33 pm

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Blazing_royale wrote:It's been a while since we had 3 dudes that can score 20 at any given night.

We have four with IQ.



I was hoping we'd get to see the SCRUB lineup:

SCOTTIE BARNES
COLLIN MURRAY
RJ BARRETT
ULRICH
BRANDON INGRAM
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#24 » by bluerap23 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 12:01 pm

These 3 have look VERY good all season. The fit has been excellent.

Scottie Barnes tonight:

23 Points
6 Assists
4 Steals
3 Rebounds
2 Blocks
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3/5 3PM
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#25 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Nov 5, 2025 12:17 pm

Aside from the scoring, The defense and passing has been really fun
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#26 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Nov 5, 2025 12:56 pm

I love Ingram's game, and he fits well.

Barnes has been playing at an allstar level.

RJ, as long as he's shooting it efficiently, is a very useful player.

Those 3 along with CMB, have been the players who've really stood out so far.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#27 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 5, 2025 1:23 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:I love Ingram's game, and he fits well.


It's really nice to have a guy you can generally rely on to create something in a broken-play scenario and who has all the range he needs coupled to a strong handle.

Barnes has been playing at an allstar level.


Scottie has looked much better to start the season. When his 3P% normalizes, he's going to take a hit, but like, he looks very much worth his role at the moment and that's BIG.

He's shooting almost 49% from 3 at the moment, but even if he drops to 35%, he'll be at 58.5% TS, which is league average. And we've been bitching and moaning for years that if he was even at league-average efficiency, he'd be tolerable. And he isn't over-shooting, he's only rocking about 16 FGA/g.

I've been fairly negative on Scottie over his time with us, so I don't usually let myself get too excited, but he looks locked-in and is doing an excellent job being aggressive. I hope he can keep it up, because he's very strong for us like this.


RJ and CMB have been quite nice as well! CMB doesn't scream 'star,' but he looks like a really valuable contributor. Just seems to know what he's doing most of the time, and doing something good for the team.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#28 » by Buff » Wed Nov 5, 2025 1:38 pm

Scottish and Ingram are EXACTLY who I thought they were. Barnes in particular I knew he would rise his play trying to win, also, is he our leader now?

But the real treat has been RJ. I was in the camp of bench/trade so I stand corrected. He has morphed his game into a perfect #3 hunting opportunities and executing. Nothing he's doing seems like it can not be reproduced long term. He needs better defensive awareness and to keep sticking his open 3s and he will probably be a problem for us financially, which is a good thing.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#29 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 5, 2025 1:45 pm

Buff wrote:Scottish and Ingram are EXACTLY who I thought they were. Barnes in particular I knew he would rise his play trying to win, also, is he our leader now?

But the real treat has been RJ. I was in the camp of bench/trade so I stand corrected. He has morphed his game into a perfect #3 hunting opportunities and executing. Nothing he's doing seems like it can not be reproduced long term. He needs better defensive awareness and to keep sticking his open 3s and he will probably be a problem for us financially, which is a good thing.


RJ is doing what a lot of us hoped he would, given better spacing and a situation where he could be more off-ball. He looks a lot more like "immediately post-trade RJ," who was crushing it for us on offense. His defense requires work, but he's also improved from when he started with us, so we can live with that for now. His passing is also better. He looks pretty switched-on at the moment, which is good.

We'll see what happens over a larger sample, but like, he looks great. And Ingram was always going to be very good for us whenever he played, and it's nice to see it in action, for sure!
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#31 » by TheGeneral99 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:18 pm

If RJ continues shooting like this that opens up everything. Teams will have a tough time guarding us with two good shooters in Ingram and RJ who can both drive, as well as Barnes who is just a beast inside the paint.

Crazy thing people forget is RJ is just 25, he's still very, very young with room to grow.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#32 » by TheGeneral99 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:20 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:I can't shake-off this nagging feeling that we're over-earning at the 3pt line given RJ/BI at 37%+ and Scottie/CMB at 45%+, though I guess IQ/Gradey shooting sub 30% evens it out a bit.

Knock on wood.


https://www.nba.com/inside-the-game/shot-difficulty?TeamID=1610612761

35% will still be very good for Scottie considering all the other ways he can impact scoring.


i think the most positive news is the fact raps are 11th overall in the half-court offense.....we used to be last to deadline for the last several years


Literally the Ingram effect of having an elite iso scorer in the mid-range.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#33 » by Psubs » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:52 pm

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Buff wrote:Scottish and Ingram are EXACTLY who I thought they were. Barnes in particular I knew he would rise his play trying to win, also, is he our leader now?

But the real treat has been RJ. I was in the camp of bench/trade so I stand corrected. He has morphed his game into a perfect #3 hunting opportunities and executing. Nothing he's doing seems like it can not be reproduced long term. He needs better defensive awareness and to keep sticking his open 3s and he will probably be a problem for us financially, which is a good thing.


RJ is doing what a lot of us hoped he would, given better spacing and a situation where he could be more off-ball. He looks a lot more like "immediately post-trade RJ," who was crushing it for us on offense. His defense requires work, but he's also improved from when he started with us, so we can live with that for now. His passing is also better. He looks pretty switched-on at the moment, which is good.

We'll see what happens over a larger sample, but like, he looks great. And Ingram was always going to be very good for us whenever he played, and it's nice to see it in action, for sure!


Barrett is looking like Olympic RJ. His shot looks re-vamped and better shot selection. I feel like everyone's shot selection is better with Ingram, since people think, should I force this shot when I have BI on the court. :nod: Scottie is being more selective with his 3 pt shots and his release looks more repeatable and his base stable.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#34 » by MoneyBall » Wed Nov 5, 2025 2:56 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:If RJ continues shooting like this that opens up everything. Teams will have a tough time guarding us with two good shooters in Ingram and RJ who can both drive, as well as Barnes who is just a beast inside the paint.

Crazy thing people forget is RJ is just 25, he's still very, very young with room to grow.

RJ has been the most surprising for me out of the bunch. He's arguably been the second best player thus far.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#35 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:11 pm

Psubs wrote:Barrett is looking like Olympic RJ. His shot looks re-vamped and better shot selection. I feel like everyone's shot selection is better with Ingram, since people think, should I force this shot when I have BI on the court. :nod: Scottie is being more selective with his 3 pt shots and his release looks more repeatable and his base stable.


I have been very happy with what he has looked like offensively, for sure. And as you say, Ingram's impact on what everyone else is required to do is extremely positive. Lots to like so far.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#36 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:22 pm

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Scottie has looked much better to start the season. When his 3P% normalizes, he's going to take a hit, but like, he looks very much worth his role at the moment and that's BIG.

Funny how much a 3 ball changes the perception of the player.

On one hand you have IQ missing 3's he usually makes (and the consensus is he is a scrub), on the other you have Scottie making 3's he usually missed (and he is a leader, big, etc.)

Scottie is simply just getting put into better situations. Career high in assisted 2pt% (60% right now, previous high was 45%), and he is a little smarter with his shot selection. Overall though, his base box score figures are nearly identical to the last two years, just with better 3 point shooting. He is 14/26 on above the break 3's this year which is mental (for reference, was about 26% on those shots last year).

But his %'s at the rim, mid range, etc. are all virtually the same. Rebounds/assists are down, stocks are up. Eye-test wise though he looks much improved, although the stats don't support that yet.

He's shooting almost 49% from 3 at the moment, but even if he drops to 35%, he'll be at 58.5% TS, which is league average. And we've been bitching and moaning for years that if he was even at league-average efficiency, he'd be tolerable. And he isn't over-shooting, he's only rocking about 16 FGA/g.

Very, VERY important to remember that if Scottie's 3 point goes back to his career averages (which unfortunately, is the most likely outcome), his expected TS% is 53%.

Also not to nitpick, but if his 3 pointer drops to 35%, his TS% will be 54.9%, not 58.5%.

I've been fairly negative on Scottie over his time with us, so I don't usually let myself get too excited, but he looks locked-in and is doing an excellent job being aggressive. I hope he can keep it up, because he's very strong for us like this.
I 100% expect the 3 ball % to drop (and will be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't), but his defensive energy and better shot selection has been great, and was exactly what I said would be what he would have to do to make me happy this year. So glad it has happened, with an improved 3-ball on top of it all.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#37 » by TheDunc » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:46 pm

I want to see RJ stick around with the raptors for his career, hes shown a willingness to adapt his game and you know he will play his heart out. Still feels like hes improving after 6 years in the league, keep RJ longterm!
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Post#38 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:53 pm

I always knew these three would be a good fit together.
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Post#39 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:54 pm

TheDunc wrote:I want to see RJ stick around with the raptors for his career, hes shown a willingness to adapt his game and you know he will play his heart out. Still feels like hes improving after 6 years in the league, keep RJ longterm!


I don't care if he's a Raptor for life or not, but I do give him props for adapting his game. Most top picks would never change their games, especially after having tasted high usage ISO ball.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#40 » by manjusaka » Wed Nov 5, 2025 3:57 pm

I am expecting the % to go down in the future when the ref allowing more contact defensively later in the season.

However, I this BI’s iso ability does open things up for both RJB and SB. They also shared the ball really well. The trio is a good core.

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