Celts Lack Pizzazz, Can't Steal One From Jazz! Loss vs UTA 11/3

[Shak_Celts]

Well, if last night wasn't the lowest point in the season, then it will be a very low season. I blame it on Brown who couldn't hit a three and was back to turning the ball over. Isn't he supposed to be a star? Last night he looked like Antoine Walker at Antoine's worst. Mr. empty trip.

I just want to say, you are needed! I wish more would step up to the plate, like they have over the years.

I’m not joking, we really do need differing opinions on here. Well, I wish it was more spread out to different players, but ATP, I’ll take it all leveled at JB, if it gets people commenting about more than tanking or winning and losing.

I wanted to say this, before I comment on your actual words, because I want you to know it’s not personal. I enjoy when people say these things. People have quit the forum or been excised, we need people discussing things more, because it feels like it’s getting deader by the day.

People haven’t been watching the NBA as much over the years, maybe the change on here is partly due to that, it doesn’t feel the same. I could be wrong, but the last few years, it feels much quieter around here. You would think we would have gotten a boost after winning the chip, if we have, I haven’t noticed it.

I’m complaining, but maybe I shouldn’t, because I have seen other boards. All I see is tumbleweed. I have seen multiple sites die that were at the top of the game in sports forums the last few years (dumb changes being the main culprit). I need y’all to stay and the ones who are quiet come on back, it’s too Chaplin in here!

I’d like some of the spice, bring it on back, it used to be different back in the day! I can be ridiculous, what happened to the people who were just as ridiculous with their thoughts, but we all posted them just the same? I want the back and forth!!

Come on back everyone who can, you read without talking, I miss you!! Speak up!! I want to debate and have conversations with you, it really doesn’t matter if I’m wrong or get my butt handed to me!! Come now!!!

BRING ON THE SPICE (within reason)!!!!!

That's Trevion Williams' music!!

TBH yes, the board is down a bit lately, but not in bad shape. It's a down year for the Cs, so we'll have the tank crowd party after every loss, and the 'Blame Joe' crowd, and endless posts about 'what to do with Simons' that don't go anywhere. Some guys left for discord a few years ago, and others I think got banned, but I didn't sweat any of that.

This is still a solid place to get thoughtful analysis on their salary situation, and asset management, and to kick around thought experiments about trades. patsfan, cl, kneevs -- don't even know the names of all the dudes and/or dames who write some *really* good stuff. And Parl and bisme continue to churn out GTs and VCs of the highest quality, WAYYY beyond what we pay them for!

And you know this, Shak: WHEN the Cs are on their way to banner 19, and 20, and 21 -- this place will spring alive again. Mangina, Marley2Hendrix, Cave -- solid chance none are reading this, but when the Cs are back up, you know we'll be back up #idris

Now in the spirit of your post let me see if I can actually come up with something that I think you'll disagree with...

Amari Williams is a total bust! Calling it now! He's too slow and you can't teach that!
(that was hard, you know I love his passing, and hell if I actually can tell anything about is long-term prospects yet)

I know my faves, that I mostly agree with, are still here and the guys that keep this ship afloat (faves too). I’m talking about even when we won the chip it wasn’t as booming as it was when we were winning with IT4 or the Hospital Celtics; when the year 1&2 Jays took bron to the brink in g7 of the ECF.

I would argue with you about Amari, but with Joe, I’m not so sure I can put full effort into it. I mean, you’re wrong, but you do seem to have Joe on your side! That holds more weight than my wishing and fantasy.

So this is what we are doing?? Tre and me did nothing to deserve this!!! I don’t know where he is and I already conceded, but he can’t be that old, maybe a Yabu-like return is possible?! I tried not to like Hugo, Minott, and Amari as much as I do. I know I’m the kiss of death, but I can’t help myself!! Good thing I was on the Smart and JB bandwagons before this near decade long worth of jinxing sprung up. (Ignoring the lakers traitor side)

[Shak_Celts]

Brad jus drafted 3 guys in the same draft class + traded for arguably the best UDFA (Luis) so basically drafted 4 guys in the 2025 draft.

He hasn't had high picks, but that's because we've been too good of a team to have high picks.

And Joe was kidding when he said that..can't take most of what Joe says seriously..he's usually messing with people - whether it's his players,, the media, etc.

If Joe is messing with people, why does his actions reflect his words? Doesn’t play rookies at all. He’s basically forced to play Hugo, a couple minutes here and there, but he’s only doing it because he literally can’t force a vet in (who plays poorly) instead. The one year you CAN play these guys and you barely do it. I don’t think Walsh is a waste but he is on this team apparently.

Got other people out here playing worse than Hugo, Minott, Queta and Rico and they get jerked around while everyone else gets to go out and lay eggs!!

Just missing shots??? Laughable!! It’s worse than that! I know I’m tired of guards cooking us like fish in grease!!


(Sorry, some of this is me watching clns on the side)

Hugo was the 28th pick. But currently he's 17th in the NBA in total mins played, among rookies. He's played more mins than Khaman Maluach, a top 10 pick and more mins than Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue - so that's 3 lottery picks he's played more than.

And Hugo is only 19 years old. I'm sure that out of the top 17 rookies in total mins played, he's definitely 1 of the youngest. Think the only ones younger than him are pretty much just Flagg, Fears and Ace Bailey. Harper, Demin and Tre Johnson are barely younger than him..so Hugo is pretty much 1 of only like 7 rookies in this class who are as young as he is and have played as many mins as he has.

Also, Baylor played quite a bit last season for a rookie on a team that was a legit title contender.

Are we really counting the last few games that didn’t matter to us as at the end of last season? When guys were resting for the playoff run? Come now. He didn’t get many minutes before that little 5 game spurt.

I’ll concede on Hugo, kinda, but most of his minutes came in like 2 games. It’s not like he’s getting consistent minutes. Even if you’re totally right, he needs more! As I said, he’s not playing worse than a few other guys that get many minutes and shots nightly.

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I just want to say, you are needed! I wish more would step up to the plate, like they have over the years.

I’m not joking, we really do need differing opinions on here. Well, I wish it was more spread out to different players, but ATP, I’ll take it all leveled at JB, if it gets people commenting about more than tanking or winning and losing.

I wanted to say this, before I comment on your actual words, because I want you to know it’s not personal. I enjoy when people say these things. People have quit the forum or been excised, we need people discussing things more, because it feels like it’s getting deader by the day.

People haven’t been watching the NBA as much over the years, maybe the change on here is partly due to that, it doesn’t feel the same. I could be wrong, but the last few years, it feels much quieter around here. You would think we would have gotten a boost after winning the chip, if we have, I haven’t noticed it.

I’m complaining, but maybe I shouldn’t, because I have seen other boards. All I see is tumbleweed. I have seen multiple sites die that were at the top of the game in sports forums the last few years (dumb changes being the main culprit). I need y’all to stay and the ones who are quiet come on back, it’s too Chaplin in here!

I’d like some of the spice, bring it on back, it used to be different back in the day! I can be ridiculous, what happened to the people who were just as ridiculous with their thoughts, but we all posted them just the same? I want the back and forth!!

Come on back everyone who can, you read without talking, I miss you!! Speak up!! I want to debate and have conversations with you, it really doesn’t matter if I’m wrong or get my butt handed to me!! Come now!!!

BRING ON THE SPICE (within reason)!!!!!

That's Trevion Williams' music!!

TBH yes, the board is down a bit lately, but not in bad shape. It's a down year for the Cs, so we'll have the tank crowd party after every loss, and the 'Blame Joe' crowd, and endless posts about 'what to do with Simons' that don't go anywhere. Some guys left for discord a few years ago, and others I think got banned, but I didn't sweat any of that.

This is still a solid place to get thoughtful analysis on their salary situation, and asset management, and to kick around thought experiments about trades. patsfan, cl, kneevs -- don't even know the names of all the dudes and/or dames who write some *really* good stuff. And Parl and bisme continue to churn out GTs and VCs of the highest quality, WAYYY beyond what we pay them for!

And you know this, Shak: WHEN the Cs are on their way to banner 19, and 20, and 21 -- this place will spring alive again. Mangina, Marley2Hendrix, Cave -- solid chance none are reading this, but when the Cs are back up, you know we'll be back up #idris

Now in the spirit of your post let me see if I can actually come up with something that I think you'll disagree with...

Amari Williams is a total bust! Calling it now! He's too slow and you can't teach that!
(that was hard, you know I love his passing, and hell if I actually can tell anything about is long-term prospects yet)

I know my faves, that I mostly agree with, are still here and the guys that keep this ship afloat (faves too). I’m talking about even when we won the chip it wasn’t as booming as it was when we were winning with IT4 or the Hospital Celtics; when the year 1&2 Jays took bron to the brink in g7 of the ECF.

I would argue with you about Amari, but with Joe, I’m not so sure I can put full effort into it. I mean, you’re wrong, but you do seem to have Joe on your side! That holds more weight than my wishing and fantasy.

So this is what we are doing?? Tre and me did nothing to deserve this!!! I don’t know where he is and I already conceded, but he can’t be that old, maybe a Yabu-like return is possible?! I tried not to like Hugo, Minott, and Amari as much as I do. I know I’m the kiss of death, but I can’t help myself!! Good thing I was on the Smart and JB bandwagons before this near decade long worth of jinxing sprung up. (Ignoring the lakers traitor side)

Trevion's 25 and playing Euro ball in Turkey. Looks like he lost some weight, too, so good on him -- and honestly, if someone's established professional ball as a career, good on them, right? Sure the dream probably remains the NBA, but I'm not going to hate on anyone who hoops for a living. Would've done it if I could!

Can't think of anything else to argue with you, Shak, unless you're already on the tank in week 2 -- but while I'm not there yet, I respect it.

I agree the board might've been 'bigger' in the IT years. And the 2007 tank year felt epic! You're a mod -- do we have metrics on that? But I think mostly for me I've aged and shifted to part-timer here, so my own experience likely biases my perspective on the board, overall. I'll be here! No doubt! Ready to cheer on Amari W when he gets his first real chance! (could happen, he big)

[darrendaye]

Jaylen Brown and Sam Hauser have rebound rates to start this year that would be career lows.

[Hal14]

I wish I didn’t hear what Joe said last night, but I just did, he can go slap to…

Literally said we didn’t play hard in that 3rd Q. So you’re telling me, the ONE PLAYER THAT IS ALWAYS ON GO, you shift him out of the starting line for… surprise… the 3rd Q start?! He wasn’t even the first sub in the 3rd either!! Then wants to act surprised that we weren’t active in the 3rd!! WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR REMOVING MINOTT FROM THE STARTERS WHEN THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM?!!!!!

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Threw us the hell off!! Not just his defense, HIS ACTIVITY, was missing!!!


No ish Joe!!!!!!



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[Hal14]

If Joe is messing with people, why does his actions reflect his words? Doesn’t play rookies at all. He’s basically forced to play Hugo, a couple minutes here and there, but he’s only doing it because he literally can’t force a vet in (who plays poorly) instead. The one year you CAN play these guys and you barely do it. I don’t think Walsh is a waste but he is on this team apparently.

Got other people out here playing worse than Hugo, Minott, Queta and Rico and they get jerked around while everyone else gets to go out and lay eggs!!

Just missing shots??? Laughable!! It’s worse than that! I know I’m tired of guards cooking us like fish in grease!!


(Sorry, some of this is me watching clns on the side)

Hugo was the 28th pick. But currently he's 17th in the NBA in total mins played, among rookies. He's played more mins than Khaman Maluach, a top 10 pick and more mins than Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue - so that's 3 lottery picks he's played more than.

And Hugo is only 19 years old. I'm sure that out of the top 17 rookies in total mins played, he's definitely 1 of the youngest. Think the only ones younger than him are pretty much just Flagg, Fears and Ace Bailey. Harper, Demin and Tre Johnson are barely younger than him..so Hugo is pretty much 1 of only like 7 rookies in this class who are as young as he is and have played as many mins as he has.

Also, Baylor played quite a bit last season for a rookie on a team that was a legit title contender.

Are we really counting the last few games that didn’t matter to us as at the end of last season? When guys were resting for the playoff run? Come now. He didn’t get many minutes before that little 5 game spurt.

I’ll concede on Hugo, kinda, but most of his minutes came in like 2 games. It’s not like he’s getting consistent minutes. Even if you’re totally right, he needs more! As I said, he’s not playing worse than a few other guys that get many minutes and shots nightly.

[djFan71]

Brad has really deprioritized the draft and also Joe is on the record as saying he doesnt like rookies, either.

I've always wondered how real this is. Baylor said Joe said it to him, but I picture it more in deadpan humor / giving the rookie **** type of way. Then it got overblown. Joe likes Hugo. He'd like Flagg or Harper or Wemby. He hasn't played the rookies Brad gave him much cuz they flat out weren't nearly as good as the other players and we were contending.

[Shak_Celts]

Jaylen Brown and Sam Hauser have rebound rates to start this year that would be career lows.

Could be because Sam seems to be continuing to struggle with his back. I don’t think they have said anything, at least I didn’t see it, but when he’s on the bench, he’s had the back thing on. I think Sam has been much better than he was last season, I think he’s gotten back to solid defense. Despite the last game.

Jaylen’s might be because he’s playing through a hamstring injury. He still isn’t jumping much and being his normal self, yet, playing well but it isn’t explosive. He has said he’s managing it the first few weeks and he’s not going to do too much in the way of athleticism, because he’s had the injury a few times before, he’s learned how to manage playing while healing, without worsening it.


Hopefully they’ll turn it around soon, we could use all the rebounding we can get!

[Shak_Celts]

Brad has really deprioritized the draft and also Joe is on the record as saying he doesnt like rookies, either.

I've always wondered how real this is. Baylor said Joe said it to him, but I picture it more in deadpan humor / giving the rookie **** type of way. Then it got overblown. Joe likes Hugo. He'd like Flagg or Harper or Wemby. He hasn't played the rookies Brad gave him much cuz they flat out weren't nearly as good as the other players and we were contending.

Other rookies/young guys have said it. Walsh and Watson. Hugo said it too IIRC. Whether he is joking or not, it feels like either he knows these guys don’t have it immediately, or he’s not too fond of guys not ready made. I think JD may have said it too, but I can’t say for sure.

Notice what he’s said about Hugo multiple times, he talks about him not really being a rookie because of the team he was on and the coaches he’s had since childhood (probably why he’s getting some minutes). He has mentioned it so many times, that’s why I believed he really liked him before the season. That’s why I mentioned it during the preseason. That, and how upset he was about the article.

[Shak_Celts]

Hugo was the 28th pick. But currently he's 17th in the NBA in total mins played, among rookies. He's played more mins than Khaman Maluach, a top 10 pick and more mins than Carter Bryant and Noa Essengue - so that's 3 lottery picks he's played more than.

And Hugo is only 19 years old. I'm sure that out of the top 17 rookies in total mins played, he's definitely 1 of the youngest. Think the only ones younger than him are pretty much just Flagg, Fears and Ace Bailey. Harper, Demin and Tre Johnson are barely younger than him..so Hugo is pretty much 1 of only like 7 rookies in this class who are as young as he is and have played as many mins as he has.

Also, Baylor played quite a bit last season for a rookie on a team that was a legit title contender.

Are we really counting the last few games that didn’t matter to us as at the end of last season? When guys were resting for the playoff run? Come now. He didn’t get many minutes before that little 5 game spurt.

I’ll concede on Hugo, kinda, but most of his minutes came in like 2 games. It’s not like he’s getting consistent minutes. Even if you’re totally right, he needs more! As I said, he’s not playing worse than a few other guys that get many minutes and shots nightly.

Ok, so 9 games at the end instead of the 5 I said? Correct me if I’m wrong, that’s 16 games total, unless that’s all you’re showing? 4 games over 19ish minutes and the rest under 16-ish.

Unless this is not all the games he played in, this looks to confirm what I said. Out of 82, he played in 16? Averaging around 15 minutes? That’s nothing. He also only kept playing him at the end because he was fire flames and showing a lot of hustle/smarts.

[redslastlaugh]

To me it's not so much about Coach Mazzulla, like whether he's just testing guys or hazing guys or whatever. Joe is the coach, he didn't even attend the draft this summer, he was in Europe or whatever. He's not making the trades, Brad is.

My critique is therefore more about Brad Stevens. For instance when we traded a mid-second (it became #41) for Jaden Springer, who was in his 3rd season, one of Brad's reasons for the trade was that Springer had been in the league for a couple/three years of seasoning and further along in his development. Springer simply not being a rookie seemed to be significant to Brad.

But in the Springer case, I feel the opposite. If a guy was drafted late first, and their drafting team doesn't want to extend them, that player being in the league and not succeeding is a strike against him. I'd rather draft a new player, never in the league and start fresh. But Brad, for reasons I can only speculate, would rather have a young veteran even when the player has played bad so far...

And I look at the players at #41, the pick we gave up for Springer, and we couldve had Adem Bona (who Philly took) or Jamal Shead (who is really productive backup PG this year) or Pelle Larson or Djurisic etc... To me, Id rather have a swing at the prospect who is coming in fresh and, for whatever, reason Brad Stevens would rather have a guy who is more "developed" ... and to me this is just Brad not wanting rookies on the roster

And the Springer example is annoying because we didn't get a player at #41 or even chance to just trade #41 for a future second, but we ended up salary dumping Springer 12 months later paying another pick (BOS 2030 second) to do it... And I just don't get it, lol, why not just pick Jamal Shead at #41 if you want a defensive guard, he'd be less than 50% of Springer's salary ... so yea, more about Brad having an anti-rookie preference than it is about Joe Mazzulla busting Scheierman's chops

Brad has really deprioritized the draft and also Joe is on the record as saying he doesnt like rookies, either.

I've always wondered how real this is. Baylor said Joe said it to him, but I picture it more in deadpan humor / giving the rookie **** type of way. Then it got overblown. Joe likes Hugo. He'd like Flagg or Harper or Wemby. He hasn't played the rookies Brad gave him much cuz they flat out weren't nearly as good as the other players and we were contending.

[Hal14]

Brad has really deprioritized the draft and also Joe is on the record as saying he doesnt like rookies, either.

I've always wondered how real this is. Baylor said Joe said it to him, but I picture it more in deadpan humor / giving the rookie **** type of way. Then it got overblown. Joe likes Hugo. He'd like Flagg or Harper or Wemby. He hasn't played the rookies Brad gave him much cuz they flat out weren't nearly as good as the other players and we were contending.

Other rookies/young guys have said it. Walsh and Watson. Hugo said it too IIRC. Whether he is joking or not, it feels like either he knows these guys don’t have it immediately, or he’s not too fond of guys not ready made. I think JD may have said it too, but I can’t say for sure.

I only recall one time a player said that Joe told them he didn't like rookies. Baylor said it. Around 2:30 mark here:

Watch on YouTube

Baylor is laughing about it..the media people are laughing about it too. Nothing to be taken too seriously.

But also we have to consider the context. Baylor says that Joe said that during training camp before last season. At the time, we were a veteran team, coming off a championship with a goal to repeat as champs.

Reigning champs, entering another title or bust season. GIven those circumstances, (not to mention Joe hadn't yet got a contract extension) I'm sure any coach would prefer to play vets over rookies. Any coach (especially if they're blunt and have a dry sense of humor) might say something like that.

Coaches say way worse stuff than that to their players, behind closed doors.

Also, "I don't like rookies" philosophy worked out well with Hauser. He didn't see the floor as a rookie. Then by year 2 after a year to develop in g league he was a rotation player for us, and has become one of the best 3&D guys in the league, helped us win a title and got a fat contract extension.

Similar thing happened with Derrick White, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, etc.

It's usually not a smart decision to play rookies heavy mins for a contender - they're usually not ready and it often works out better for their long term development to marinate them in the G for a year.

[Celts17Pride]

NBA Officiating Last Two Minute Reports

Q4 00:50.4 Foul: Personal Keyonte George Jaylen Brown INC (Incorrect Non Call)

Comment: George (UTA) slips and falls into Brown's (BOS) path, tripping Brown.

Oh boy! At least we get this

[redslastlaugh]

I've always wondered how real this is. Baylor said Joe said it to him, but I picture it more in deadpan humor / giving the rookie **** type of way. Then it got overblown. Joe likes Hugo. He'd like Flagg or Harper or Wemby. He hasn't played the rookies Brad gave him much cuz they flat out weren't nearly as good as the other players and we were contending.

Also, "I don't like rookies" philosophy worked out well with Hauser. He didn't see the floor as a rookie. Then by year 2 after a year to develop in g league he was a rotation player for us, and has become one of the best 3&D guys in the league, helped us win a title and got a fat contract extension.

Similar thing happened with Derrick White, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, etc.

It's usually not a smart decision to play rookies heavy mins for a contender - they're usually not ready and it often works out better for their long term development to marinate them in the G for a year.

Hauser, Duncan Robinson etc were undrafted players who were eager for a chance to just have a career in the league

Derrick White was a first round pick with an NBA contract for up to four years, him playing in the G as a rookie is not apples to apples with Hauser or Robinson

The fundamental issue we come back to is it's hard to put together a competitive roster within the tax/apron budget if you dont have good player for four years at a controlled cost. OKC is in great shape not only because they traded for SGA and he became an MVP but because of how much value they've gotten from Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, Jaylin Williams, Ajay Mitchell etc on rookie contracts.

Our talent pipeline is pretty weak outside of Scheierman and Hugo Gonzalez because even the young vets we're happy with (Minott, Garza, etc) we only have for two years and we wont have restricted free agency.

It's not that important if a draft pick plays 500 minutes or 2000 minutes as a first year player, the value is more the impact they make in the second, third and fourth year before you re-sign them to a contract extension to reward their production.

This was the gift of drafting Tatum in 2017. His rookie year he was making $5.6 million and was the best player on a ECF team. And we got his production then years 2, 3 and 4 at a very fair price. This is the great thing about drafting players, the four years of team control at a cheap price

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

If we get a top 3 pick, I trust Brad to blow it
He is a really bad drafter. Too smart and tries to beat the system with his picks (and fails miserably)

I prefer a chance to get the title (maybe all the stars will be injured against us) than a crap shoot in the lottery

You're acting like Stevens had a bunch of top 10 picks and drafted all busts: The reality is that here is where the Celtics drafted since he took over:


2021 Round 2 pick 45
2022 Round 2 Pick 53
2023 Round 2 picked 35 (traded)
2024 Round 2 Pick 35
2024 Round 1 Pick 30
2025 Round 1 pick 28
2025 Round 2 pick 32 (traded)

Not really the best place to draft when looking for talent to help the roster.

I thought about that excuse then I have been seeing plenty of late picks bloom. Hugo is showing he can probably be a really good player (if Joe allows), but so far, Brad hasn’t even hit on one rotation level guy. If he can’t draft a role player in all those late picks he’s had (he’s had many seconds), then what are we doing drafting at all?? If it gets harder the further you drop, then stop the CHOICE of always dropping further! He is in control of how much worse the picks go, he is in charge of trading up and down, he is in charge of trading picks so we don’t have to draft at all.

Our/their draft hopes rest on Rico and Hugo, because everybody else Joe doesn’t seem to like. They are either gone or glued to the bench (hello Walsh). I really want Amari to get minutes, but that’s just wishing he hits the potential I see. The guys going to Maine have little hope based off Joe and Brad’s track record. Based on my delusion of their stardom, that is another story lol.


He’s had a million draft shots, some he traded away, some he’s pushed forward (I think), and some have been to dump guys. Other than trading, he really has not found one rotational guy from picks. Danny had mediocre picks before the Bkn fleece, he managed to find plenty of rotational pieces late in the draft.

It happens of course but lets be honest most late first round picks or second round picks don't normally amount to very much. Yes he is in charge of trading up or down but what can he do if no one wants his late first round and second round picks? We saw that exact thing from Ainge in 2015 when Danny he offered up to 6 picks including 4 first round pick so he could draft Justice Winslow and the hornets had zero interest.

Or in 2016 when Danny looked absolutely shell shocked because he has to draft 7 (Not counting JB because he wanted to draft him) guys because no one wanted his late picks. Ainge was a good drafter and hit on some late picks (because he was doing it for 20 years and had a gazillion picks) but he had just as many picks that never played for the team or were just awful. Nature of the beast when drafting so late.

If Brad does this for 15 more years and has a ton of picks he will hit on some guys. Late picks are a crapshoot and most of these guys make no impact so if people are hoping or banking on these guys making an impact they may be disappointed.

[Shak_Celts]

Before head coach Joe and when Brad becomes GM

Juhann Begarin- overseas, age 19

JD- 1 year college, age 19

Walsh (Joe became coach after the scandal, I think this was an ime pick)- 1 year college, age 19 (was he 18?)

All wet behind the ears, not ready. Walsh is the straggler hanging on. Still not playing.

After Joe officially became head coach

Baylor- college 5 years, age 23

Anton Watson- college 5 years, age 23

Hugo Gonzales- pro player for years, groomed from age 10yo(?). Apparently played for the best team, I don’t know anything about Euro ball, but I did learn it’s one of the better team’s based off comments and articles. Played with grown men and multiple ex NBA players. Age 19.

Amari Williams- college 5 years, age 22

Max Shulga- college 5 years, age 23


It feels like I’m missing someone. Maybe not. Looks like it’s what Joe wants.

*Ages when drafted

[31to6]

NBA Officiating Last Two Minute Reports

Q4 00:50.4 Foul: Personal Keyonte George Jaylen Brown INC (Incorrect Non Call)

Comment: George (UTA) slips and falls into Brown's (BOS) path, tripping Brown.

Oh boy! At least we get this

justice at last!!
CHAMPION$HIP$!!

[ThePigeon]

You're acting like Stevens had a bunch of top 10 picks and drafted all busts: The reality is that here is where the Celtics drafted since he took over:


2021 Round 2 pick 45
2022 Round 2 Pick 53
2023 Round 2 picked 35 (traded)
2024 Round 2 Pick 35
2024 Round 1 Pick 30
2025 Round 1 pick 28
2025 Round 2 pick 32 (traded)

Not really the best place to draft when looking for talent to help the roster.

I thought about that excuse then I have been seeing plenty of late picks bloom. Hugo is showing he can probably be a really good player (if Joe allows), but so far, Brad hasn’t even hit on one rotation level guy. If he can’t draft a role player in all those late picks he’s had (he’s had many seconds), then what are we doing drafting at all?? If it gets harder the further you drop, then stop the CHOICE of always dropping further! He is in control of how much worse the picks go, he is in charge of trading up and down, he is in charge of trading picks so we don’t have to draft at all.

Our/their draft hopes rest on Rico and Hugo, because everybody else Joe doesn’t seem to like. They are either gone or glued to the bench (hello Walsh). I really want Amari to get minutes, but that’s just wishing he hits the potential I see. The guys going to Maine have little hope based off Joe and Brad’s track record. Based on my delusion of their stardom, that is another story lol.


He’s had a million draft shots, some he traded away, some he’s pushed forward (I think), and some have been to dump guys. Other than trading, he really has not found one rotational guy from picks. Danny had mediocre picks before the Bkn fleece, he managed to find plenty of rotational pieces late in the draft.

It happens of course but lets be honest most late first round picks or second round picks don't normally amount to very much. Yes he is in charge of trading up or down but what can he do if no one wants his late first round and second round picks? We saw that exact thing from Ainge in 2015 when Danny he offered up to 6 picks including 4 first round pick so he could draft Justice Winslow and the hornets had zero interest.

Or in 2016 when Danny looked absolutely shell shocked because he has to draft 7 (Not counting JB because he wanted to draft him) guys because no one wanted his late picks. Ainge was a good drafter and hit on some late picks (because he was doing it for 20 years and had a gazillion picks) but he had just as many picks that never played for the team or were just awful. Nature of the beast when drafting so late.

If Brad does this for 15 more years and has a ton of picks he will hit on some guys. Late picks are a crapshoot and most of these guys make no impact so if people are hoping or banking on these guys making an impact they may be disappointed.

Not to beat on a dead thread - the quality of the picks is bad. The trading is bad
If the consensus board picks were picked we would have been a lot better.

You had the 32 pick in this draft - you could have done better than Amari and Shulga who will be out of the league in 2 years.
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