The Lauri Markkanen trade situation

[Daddy 801]

I would at least think about it, but I dont see Chicago trading for Embiid and including anything if value even if that first is, IMO, more likely to convey as 2nds.

Yea the 3rd team is the harder part. Embiid + LAC 1st for Lauri is so much cleaner. If any team can pump up his value more, it's Utah. They're in a similar spot as OKC was prior to SGA (think of their CP3 and Horford acquisitions).

I think George makes more sense for a lot of reasons. I think he is more likely to recover enough value to be tradeable but his contract is also shorter. Embiid is, IMO, by far the worst contract in the league. I would expect that LAC 1st at minimum just to send a bunch of bad players to match salary.

I agree 100%. Utah and maybe Brooklyn are the two best dump players for picks teams in the league and I wouldn’t even consider taking on Embiid unless it was two very good unprotected picks and another ok pick. 1 of them would have to be this year that is all but guaranteed to be a lottery pick.

For PG I would take two very good picks. 1 would have to convey this year and one could be a good pick but in the future like a 2030 or 2031 pick.

But if I was a sixers fan/GM I wouldn’t even bother sending picks. Just keep rolling with what you got. Because if you send out just one of Embiid and/or PG you are still stuck with the other. And Philly can’t realistically afford to send out 3-5 picks just to get off those guys. Just keep getting young guys and deal with the pain of those contracts and hope for the best! They have a good/great young core.

[babyjax13]

Yea the 3rd team is the harder part. Embiid + LAC 1st for Lauri is so much cleaner. If any team can pump up his value more, it's Utah. They're in a similar spot as OKC was prior to SGA (think of their CP3 and Horford acquisitions).

I think George makes more sense for a lot of reasons. I think he is more likely to recover enough value to be tradeable but his contract is also shorter. Embiid is, IMO, by far the worst contract in the league. I would expect that LAC 1st at minimum just to send a bunch of bad players to match salary.

I agree 100%. Utah and maybe Brooklyn are the two best dump players for picks teams in the league and I wouldn’t even consider taking on Embiid unless it was two very good unprotected picks and another ok pick. 1 of them would have to be this year that is all but guaranteed to be a lottery pick.

For PG I would take two very good picks. 1 would have to convey this year and one could be a good pick but in the future like a 2030 or 2031 pick.

But if I was a sixers fan/GM I wouldn’t even bother sending picks. Just keep rolling with what you got. Because if you send out just one of Embiid and/or PG you are still stuck with the other. And Philly can’t realistically afford to send out 3-5 picks just to get off those guys. Just keep getting young guys and deal with the pain of those contracts and hope for the best! They have a good/great young core.

Agree.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Five games in and it's looking increasingly clear that Lauri is back and that the rest of the roster is incredibly bad and very far away so the Jazz kind of have to trade him, lol.

Ace Bailey and Taylor Hendricks are three years away at best and Kyle Filipowski and Brice Sensabaugh may just be bench players.

I think this is right after the hot start for the first two games. We have some nice players but so many are young and terrible defenders. I still prefer to trade him, but we should be one of the 5 worst teams with him, anyway.

I mean, we probably *could* tank fairly well (though not Nets well) with Lauri, but it raises the question as to why we would do that when all of our young players other than Keyonte and Kessler are either super far away or will never get there.

Keyonte and Kessler have now developed into like... fine players? But Ace is so many years away and it's not like whoever we pick this year will be ready to go unless it's Boozer (and Boozer is yet another PF! And we already have Markkanen, Ace, Hendricks, and Filipowski at PF!).

Would definitely prefer to trade Markkanen unless no team decides to offer much or anything for him for some reason.

[MotownMadness]

He’s looking good

[Mr Peanut]

A lot of Pistons fans are against trading for him, although perhaps mindsets will change if we're approaching the trade deadline and the team is not performing as expected. I was pro chasing Markannen after seeing his Eurobasket play, and his trade value has now quickly risen with his play in the NBA thus far.

Would start with an offer of Tobias, Ivey and 2-3 first rounders (the closest being unprotected and the more distant being lightly protected) and negotiate from there.

[Kalamazoo317]

If all the potential stars we could add next to Cade, he's currently the one I can see the best case for. I'm also wary of overpaying and three firsts feels steep, imo.

[brackdan70]

Looks good so far this year. It appears that last season was an aberration and that he is a legit top 40 player.
If you’re Utah do you build around him at 28 years old or trade for a younger guy and some picks?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Looks good so far this year. It appears that last season was an aberration and that he is a legit top 40 player.
If your Utah doe you build around him at 28 years old or trade for a younger guy and some picks?

The Jazz had the opportunity to build around Markkanen at the 2022-2023 deadline and threw that away to tank. We have no trade assets other than Ace Bailey and the 2031 Suns pick and no way to build around Lauri. We have to keep tanking over and over again until we get a superstar because there are no other outs because all of our assets evaporated.

[brackdan70]

Looks good so far this year. It appears that last season was an aberration and that he is a legit top 40 player.
If your Utah doe you build around him at 28 years old or trade for a younger guy and some picks?

The Jazz had the opportunity to build around Markkanen at the 2022-2023 deadline and threw that away to tank. We have no trade assets other than Ace Bailey and the 2031 Suns pick and no way to build around Lauri. We have to keep tanking over and over again until we get a superstar because there are no other outs because all of our assets evaporated.

They have Kessler, all their own picks, 2027 LAL first as well. Flipowski is a positive asset and George maybe as well. Clayton remains to be seen.
Other young guys like Hendricks, Collier, Williams could be considered minor assets.
Plenty of salary ballast on the roster in Nurkic, Clarkson, Anderson, Niang. They definitely have the assets to make a trade for an all star level player, should they choose to build around Lauri. I agree though they need Bailey, this years pick, or another younger guy to really pan out to be competitive though. Lauri could be over 30 before that clicks.

[SkyHook]

Looks good so far this year. It appears that last season was an aberration and that he is a legit top 40 player.
If your Utah doe you build around him at 28 years old or trade for a younger guy and some picks?

The Jazz had the opportunity to build around Markkanen at the 2022-2023 deadline and threw that away to tank. We have no trade assets other than Ace Bailey and the 2031 Suns pick and no way to build around Lauri. We have to keep tanking over and over again until we get a superstar because there are no other outs because all of our assets evaporated.

They have Kessler, all their own picks, 2027 LAL first as well. Flipowski is a positive asset and George maybe as well. Clayton remains to be seen.
Other young guys like Hendricks, Collier, Williams could be considered minor assets.
Plenty of salary ballast on the roster in Nurkic, Clarkson, Anderson, Niang. They definitely have the assets to make a trade for an all star level player, should they choose to build around Lauri. I agree though they need Bailey, this years pick, or another younger guy to really pan out to be competitive though. Lauri could be over 30 before that clicks.

I don't have much faith in Bailey, but the Jazz need to keep their 2026 FRP and for it to hit. Ample cap space plus the assets you mentioned have the potential to make 2026 an interesting summer in Utah.

As for Lauri's age, I'm not concerned. Salary aside, would a young team looking to take the next step want to add a player at his age and skill level? I would think so. Consequently I have no problem with the Jazz building a young team with him as a solid, borderline allstar vet.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Looks good so far this year. It appears that last season was an aberration and that he is a legit top 40 player.
If your Utah doe you build around him at 28 years old or trade for a younger guy and some picks?

The Jazz had the opportunity to build around Markkanen at the 2022-2023 deadline and threw that away to tank. We have no trade assets other than Ace Bailey and the 2031 Suns pick and no way to build around Lauri. We have to keep tanking over and over again until we get a superstar because there are no other outs because all of our assets evaporated.

They have Kessler, all their own picks, 2027 LAL first as well. Flipowski is a positive asset and George maybe as well. Clayton remains to be seen.
Other young guys like Hendricks, Collier, Williams could be considered minor assets.
Plenty of salary ballast on the roster in Nurkic, Clarkson, Anderson, Niang. They definitely have the assets to make a trade for an all star level player, should they choose to build around Lauri. I agree though they need Bailey, this years pick, or another younger guy to really pan out to be competitive though. Lauri could be over 30 before that clicks.

Hendricks, Collier, Williams, and Sensabaugh are probably all valued like second round picks. Kessler and Keyonte are the only NBA players on the roster other than Lauri and can't really be traded in a win-now move. Filipowski and WCJ probably have some OK trade value (like a first in the 20s), but this asset base is really bad and way worse than it was three years ago when the Jazz chose to not compete with Lauri.

The 2027 Lakers and Timberwolves firsts are completely worthless as well.

[mg]

The Lauri situation reminds me a bit of when Pau was stuck on those old Grizzlies teams. They ultimately did ok in the trade because a young unknown Marc Gasol was part of the package coming back.

Detroit looks like the best suitor but Ivey being at the end of his rookie deal and needing a new contract might muck things up. He needs to get back on the court first though. At the very least a healthy Ivey would be a better prospect than any current guard on the current Jazz roster.

[babyjax13]

The Lauri situation reminds me a bit of when Pau was stuck on those old Grizzlies teams. They ultimately did ok in the trade because a young unknown Marc Gasol was part of the package coming back.

Detroit looks like the best suitor but Ivey being at the end of his rookie deal and needing a new contract might muck things up. He needs to get back on the court first though. At the very least a healthy Ivey would be a better prospect than any current guard on the current Jazz roster.

I don't think a healthy Ivey is a better prospect than Keyonte or Bailey. He could be, but I'd rather get a pick instead of him, we just don't need more guards.

Keyonte is averaging 22/4/9 this season and his three point shot isn't falling yet. He looks like a completely different player. I think he is going to be an average starting point guard at this rate, don't think Ivey is, and I don't really love him for our roster. If we had a big point guard I might feel different.

[MotownMadness]

The Lauri situation reminds me a bit of when Pau was stuck on those old Grizzlies teams. They ultimately did ok in the trade because a young unknown Marc Gasol was part of the package coming back.

Detroit looks like the best suitor but Ivey being at the end of his rookie deal and needing a new contract might muck things up. He needs to get back on the court first though. At the very least a healthy Ivey would be a better prospect than any current guard on the current Jazz roster.

I don't think a healthy Ivey is a better prospect than Keyonte or Bailey. He could be, but I'd rather get a pick instead of him, we just don't need more guards.

Keyonte is averaging 22/4/9 this season and his three point shot isn't falling yet. He looks like a completely different player. I think he is going to be an average starting point guard at this rate, don't think Ivey is, and I don't really love him for our roster. If we had a big point guard I might feel different.

Something around Ivey, Tobias and a couple 1st?

[babyjax13]

The Lauri situation reminds me a bit of when Pau was stuck on those old Grizzlies teams. They ultimately did ok in the trade because a young unknown Marc Gasol was part of the package coming back.

Detroit looks like the best suitor but Ivey being at the end of his rookie deal and needing a new contract might muck things up. He needs to get back on the court first though. At the very least a healthy Ivey would be a better prospect than any current guard on the current Jazz roster.

I don't think a healthy Ivey is a better prospect than Keyonte or Bailey. He could be, but I'd rather get a pick instead of him, we just don't need more guards.

Keyonte is averaging 22/4/9 this season and his three point shot isn't falling yet. He looks like a completely different player. I think he is going to be an average starting point guard at this rate, don't think Ivey is, and I don't really love him for our roster. If we had a big point guard I might feel different.

Something around Ivey, Tobias and a couple 1st?

If Ivey goes to another team for a pick, maybe.

[pipfan]

Best the Bulls can do is Collins/Noa/JCarter/DTerry/Port 1st/2026 unprotected Bulls' 1st and MAYBE a 2028 1st with protection.

Noa joins the other young bigs of Flip, Henricks, Kessler for the future, and they add expirings plus 2 or 3 picks

[hugepatsfan]

BOS gives: Derrick White, Anfernee Simons
BOS gets: Markannen, maybe some change from HOU?

HOU gives: contracts/assets
HOU gets: White

Utah gives: Markannen
Utah gets: Simons, contracts/assets from HOU

I'm basing this on what seems to be the sentiment that White is more valuable than Markannen so BOS could get some leftover change from what HOU sends Utah out of their total package for White. BOS sheds more salary (within $3M of ducking the lux tax which they can get the rest of the way by moving spare parts for pro rated minimums). When Tatum comes back they can move him to SF so he has more size advantage against matchups and give him less of a scoring load.

[babyjax13]

Best the Bulls can do is Collins/Noa/JCarter/DTerry/Port 1st/2026 unprotected Bulls' 1st and MAYBE a 2028 1st with protection.

Noa joins the other young bigs of Flip, Henricks, Kessler for the future, and they add expirings plus 2 or 3 picks

Noa needs to go to a third team for a pick, replace the Portland pick with Chicago's 2028 pick.

[gswhoops]

Question for Jazz fans ITT: does the Kessler injury make a Lauri trade less likely, more likely, or no difference?

[SkyHook]

Question for Jazz fans ITT: does the Kessler injury make a Lauri trade less likely, more likely, or no difference?

I don't think it makes a difference. Lauri getting traded is still highly unlikely in my view.