Do you think Joe Dumars could be fired after only a few months at this job?

[Invictus88]

You deservedly can knock the process (it hasn't been good), but both Fears and Queen have flashed all-star potential. If they reach their potential it's a win.

Fears is irrelevant in the discussion of the pluses and minuses of the draft day trade because he wasn't a part of it.

I think it's more likely the Pelicans are awful this year. Even if Queen ends up as a good player you need to balance that against the opportunity cost lost of potentially a #1 or #2 pick in a very good draft class.

Youtube is also filled with highlight reels of failed players with cherry-picked moments showing 'all-star potential'.

[Raps in 4]

It's crazy to me that this guy keeps getting hired.

[pipfan]

I think my Bulls should go after Murphy-he's made two bad trades, why not a 3rd?

Imagine NO having their pick and the Indy pick at this point (and not Queen, of course). They could have a crazy bright future

[Shock Defeat]

If this is how the world works it just goes to show how many incompetent people in the business world are there only because they can talk well and people like them. How many CEOs and execs keep getting jobs despite being terrible, but they are smooth talkerd

[UcanUwill]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

I do not think this is becuase of experience, its more respect around the league thing I imagine. I honeslty did not expect this, I do not think Dumars was good GM, but his moves on the Pelicans are terrible, complete lunatic job, what did he expect of his team trading that pick, he is in wester conference, did he think Pelicans would be in the top 4, or is he really thought Derick Queen is new Jokic? I imagine even worst NBA GMs are actually geniuses when it comes to Basketball, but his few months have been just ridiculous, its when you give controller to 8 year old bro, go to a toilet, come back, and he tells you he just traded Duncan for Antony Parker and Boris Diaw, you are welcome.

[ForeverTFC]

Benson doesn't care. Dumars was probably sent there by the league office.

I'm sorry to say, but NO is never going to work for the NBA as a market.

[bstein14]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

From when Joe Dumars got the job as GM of the Pistons until they won their championship in 2004 Joe D had the best stretch of transactions in NBA history for a GM.

Franchise player(Grant Hill) wants to leave for Orlando. Most teams would be pushed into full rebuild mode if a top 5 player left via FA.
Gets Ben Wallace to agree to sign to a reasonable long term deal.
Hires Rick Carlisle to his first head coaching job and then follows up with hall of famer Larry Brown.
Traded Stackhouse for RIP.
Gets Billups to sign for MLE $
Drafts Prince with a late first rounder, and key bench player and future all-star Mehmet Okur with 2nd rounder #38 overall.
Finishes the starting lineup with trade of expirings and 2 future firsts for Rasheed Wallace.

Overalled a team with nothing in 2001 to a team that wins a championship in 2004. Pretty remarkable work by Joe Dumars.

Of course he was awful after that.

[Mavrelous]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

From when Joe Dumars got the job as GM of the Pistons until they won their championship in 2004 Joe D had the best stretch of transactions in NBA history for a GM.

Franchise player(Grant Hill) wants to leave for Orlando. Most teams would be pushed into full rebuild mode if a top 5 player left via FA.
Gets Ben Wallace to agree to sign to a reasonable long term deal.
Hires Rick Carlisle to his first head coaching job and then follows up with hall of famer Larry Brown.
Traded Stackhouse for RIP.
Gets Billups to sign for MLE $
Drafts Prince with a late first rounder, and key bench player and future all-star Mehmet Okur with 2nd rounder #38 overall.
Finishes the starting lineup with trade of expirings and 2 future firsts for Rasheed Wallace.

Overalled a team with nothing in 2001 to a team that wins a championship in 2004. Pretty remarkable work by Joe Dumars.

Of course he was awful after that.

Yes, he built a great team, got Billups and Rasheed Wallace for very little, but after the finals run in 2005 it was downhill.

[Slimjimzv]

A worse GM than an empty chair. The only person I've ever seen show this much incompetence is David Kahn. I have no idea how or why he keeps getting jobs. I wouldn't hire him to run my fantasy team.

[Hoop Hunter]

I would like to personally thank Mr. Dumars for giving back the Pacers #1 pick.

For those that don't know, we traded our 25-26 #1 pick to Toronto in part of the Siakam trade. Then the Raptors traded the pick to the Pelicans in part of the Ingram trade.

Last season during the playoffs the Pacers traded the 24-25 #1 pick to the Pelicans for our OWN 25-26 #1 pick back.

With Hali's injury and now just about the whole roster injured it could end up being a high pick. Could be a great trade for the Pacers and a very bad one for the Pelicans.

[Slimjimzv]

I would like to personally thank Mr. Dumars for giving back the Pacers #1 pick.

For those that don't know, we traded our 25-26 #1 pick to Toronto in part of the Siakam trade. Then the Raptors traded the pick to the Pelicans in part of the Ingram trade.

Last season during the playoffs the Pacers traded the 24-25 #1 pick to the Pelicans for our OWN 25-26 #1 pick back.

With Hali's injury and now just about the whole roster injured it could end up being a high pick. Could be a great trade for the Pacers and a very bad one for the Pelicans.

Maybe that's his plan. Build up other teams as much as possible before the NBA dissolves the Pelicans and moves them to Las Vegas or Seattle.

[ConSarnit]

If you’re dumb enough to hire Dumars in the first place you’re not smart enough to get rid of him this quickly.

[ConSarnit]

My personal opinion is that GM's don't want to trade with him similar to the Ainge rule. This was obviously a deal he took to reset the narrative on himself to get back to par in the modern NBA landscape. People forget he was a excellent GM early in his career, better than even a Prime Masai. He fleeced some teams back in the day. That 2004 Detroit team was built on scraps no one else wanted.

"Ah ok dude will now give up lotto picks and is more reasonable, i'll pick up the phone." It might be a case of that or he has just aged out of the NBA landscape fully. He might be trying to trick people into thinking he is a Billy Knight level GM now when that was his plan all along to nab some pieces in the future when he is ready to "really deal". This is the only way I can justify what he is doing.

If this is Dumars plan he is somehow dumber than we all already thought he was.

[Mrakar]

If you’re dumb enough to hire Dumars in the first place you’re not smart enough to get rid of him this quickly.

They are not dumb, they know what are they doing. The moment they hired him, the path was set. He has a lot of connections in NBA bcs of his old job and that is valuable, not only to Mrs. Benson but to Adam Silver as well.


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[Frank Dux]

You deservedly can knock the process (it hasn't been good), but both Fears and Queen have flashed all-star potential. If they reach their potential it's a win.

Say Queen somehow develops into an all star level guy, there’s still a high likelihood of this trade becoming a complete disaster due to how good this upcoming draft is. The Hawks might end up with a superstar, legit franchise player because of this trade.

You just don’t make those unnecessary risks for Derik freaking Queen.

[TravisScott55]

He's doing his job. Make the team bad enough so they can relocate to Seattle or Veags.

[PlatinumState]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

I seriously wonder sometimes how much better these "basketball guys" would be than some ESPN/sports junkie who works as a financial analyst or some kinda lawyer who's involved in tax work. I'm talking guys not over 35 years old, not yet into the management ranks even. Like...would they really be any worse?

They have the skills to figure out the cap stuff. They can do the math. Maybe they suck negotiating? Maybe players won't respect them? But I dunno man...how much worse would they be?

Those guys dont have the contacts or relationships throughout the league though

[dhsilv2]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

I seriously wonder sometimes how much better these "basketball guys" would be than some ESPN/sports junkie who works as a financial analyst or some kinda lawyer who's involved in tax work. I'm talking guys not over 35 years old, not yet into the management ranks even. Like...would they really be any worse?

They have the skills to figure out the cap stuff. They can do the math. Maybe they suck negotiating? Maybe players won't respect them? But I dunno man...how much worse would they be?

Those guys dont have the contacts or relationships throughout the league though

As another post pointed out. I'm ignoring some of the skills. But you can develop those over time. A lot of these guys come in without a lot of networking and get there. But the question wasn't if they could be AS good. But how close would it really be? I feel like it would be closer than some think, not that I think they could do the job just fine.

[KayDee35]

Dumars is not doing the NBA's supposed bidding if he's tanking the future value of the team by shedding high draft picks. He's around because he has connections and gets along with everyone.

The Pelicans have had incompetence at the top for some time now and hiring Dumars is part of that culture. There's no need to invoke a conspiracy when the explanation is much simpler.

[shrink]

GMs only have to impress one person. The team owner.

So no, no matter how many fans, pundits and personalities rightfully bash the pick trade, Benson is not going to fire him.