Celts End the Cold-Shooting Blizzard, Bounce Back All Over the Wizards! Victory Cigar vs WAS 11/5

[Fierce1]

And:
Saar (2nd year center): 4-5 from 3 (9-18 YTD)
Hauser (3pt specialist): 1-6 from 3 (12-34 YTD)

I say it is time to move on. We can get a PF that can shoot 36% from 3 and be better on defense and on the boards. I think that Lofton is still without a team

We need players that can play in the playoffs.

Hauser was unplayable in the playoffs last season.

[jfs1000d]

We are 4-4. We aren't 1-6, sorry tankers. We are 6-2, sorry playoff people.


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[31to6]

We are 4-4. We aren't 1-6, sorry tankers. We are 6-2, sorry playoff people.


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https://www.espn.com/nba/standings
4-5, 10th spot in the East so far, right around where almost everyone expects/fears/hopes them to be

[31to6]

I really wanted to go Walsh, but more guys than votes deserved iit ahead of him with JB, Minott and Queta. So I went JB and team. Pritchard was really good too. As was playing the Wiz.

Walshwagon is still rolling though!

I voted JB and Minott because I don't think the Cs win without them tonight, but I think the VC was originally MADE FOR contributions like Walsh's tonight, so I do think I screwed it up

I mean, Jordan Walsh made such an impact last night that now I am reconsidering who they should cut -- TODAY -- to sign Charles Bassey
Luka Garza;)

[Larry_Russell]

We are 4-4. We aren't 1-6, sorry tankers. We are 6-2, sorry playoff people.


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On pace for 36-38 wins.

No mans land in a generational draft

[Ben-N1ce]

A win is better than a loss against a top 30 team in the league.

[cl2117]

I'm tempted to give it to like 4-5 different guys but ignoring the context of their performances and just looking at the one game Brown has to smoke it again.

He's been phenomenal. Averaging 28/4/4 on solid efficiency as the #1 and it doesn't feel like he's overplaying his part despite JT being out. I think if he got a little more selfish and stat hunted he could be hitting 30/8 a night no problem. He's overpaid on a supermax and because of that he doesn't often get his due, but what he's done so far has been impressive.

Queta and Pritchard both have insane box scores tonight. Queta posting a 15/12/5/1/1 line and perfect from the field and Pritchard was +36 on the night. We got eaten up inside by the Wiz bigs as well so not all good for Queta but still to get that kind of performance from a guy so cheap (even against the Wizards) is great. Pritchard and White both get off the slide a bit with good efficient nights.

Minott is the kind of player I had hoped Springer would be. Does a bit of everything, if his shot is falling he's great and if not he's still serviceable with the defense/athleticism. Lots of high flying stuff that probably won't carry over night to night, but just another really solid overall performance from such a cheap bench player. We could have something there (and w/ Queta).

I think Sam deserves a break. Disappointing start to the year overall but he did just go for 21 on 7/13 a week ago against a much better team. I think he deserves a longer runway before we start slandering him (although it is admittedly worrying that this looks like it could just be his ceiling unfortunately).

[darrendaye]

Minott is the kind of player I had hoped Springer would be. Does a bit of everything, if his shot is falling he's great and if not he's still serviceable with the defense/athleticism. Lots of high flying stuff that probably won't carry over night to night, but just another really solid overall performance from such a cheap bench player. We could have something there (and w/ Queta).

I think Sam deserves a break. Disappointing start to the year overall but he did just go for 21 on 7/13 a week ago against a much better team. I think he deserves a longer runway before we start slandering him (although it is admittedly worrying that this looks like it could just be his ceiling unfortunately).

Agreed with every word in your post, highlighting your last 2 paragraphs especially. I align the Minott niche to what may have been for Springer too. The critical offensive element (IMO) is the rim attack threat. I posted a number of times my confusion on the plan deployed for Springer. He started as a corner dweller then they put in him spots where he was asked to play-make as a combo guard. Then it was Brissett. Brissett got a fair amount of PnR action in Indiana. Especially when it briefly appeared they were going to reunite Brissett with Brogdon, I thought it was going to be part of the strategy. No dice. Brissett was great, but his offensive role besides crashing offensive glass was minimally impactful. I'm encouraged to see more screen setting actions and baseline cutting now with Minott.

Hauser is a limited ceiling player. Unfortunate only in relation to the roster's current weaknesses. He's playing hard. He's a competitive perimeter defender. He's likely always going to be a below average rebounder as a SF and especially PF. Because we're so guard heavy it's highlighted now, especially when paired with Brown in a masquerading PF situation (IMO). I preferred debating who was considered the SG or SF when the 2 were paired in the past rather than PF vs. SF.

[FlatearthZorro]

We are 4-4. We aren't 1-6, sorry tankers. We are 6-2, sorry playoff people.


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On pace for 36-38 wins.

No mans land in a generational draft

You can rest Brown with a fake injury and tank hard. Without Brown, this team may not reach 20 wins. Play the young lads, heck even rest White, no need for him to get injured.

[Larry_Russell]

We are 4-4. We aren't 1-6, sorry tankers. We are 6-2, sorry playoff people.


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On pace for 36-38 wins.

No mans land in a generational draft

You can rest Brown with a fake injury and tank hard. Without Brown, this team may not reach 20 wins. Play the young lads, heck even rest White, no need for him to get injured.

Exactly, I am sure brown has a super hard on for making an all nba team, but boohoo.

[FlatearthZorro]

A win is better than a loss against a top 30 team in the league.

I like how generalized this post is.
Anyways, Brown has proven that he's still got it when healthy, 27 pts a game on .538 from the field so far as the #1 option to go along with 4.5 boards and 4 assists. I wonder where the eager Magic fans who told me that Desmond Bane is better than Brown are????

[Celticlifer]

Where do I go to see all the trade JB for poo poo comments?

[redslastlaugh]

Minott is the kind of player I had hoped Springer would be. Does a bit of everything, if his shot is falling he's great and if not he's still serviceable with the defense/athleticism. Lots of high flying stuff that probably won't carry over night to night, but just another really solid overall performance from such a cheap bench player. We could have something there (and w/ Queta).

I think Sam deserves a break. Disappointing start to the year overall but he did just go for 21 on 7/13 a week ago against a much better team. I think he deserves a longer runway before we start slandering him (although it is admittedly worrying that this looks like it could just be his ceiling unfortunately).

Agreed with every word in your post, highlighting your last 2 paragraphs especially. I align the Minott niche to what may have been for Springer too. The critical offensive element (IMO) is the rim attack threat. I posted a number of times my confusion on the plan deployed for Springer. He started as a corner dweller then they put in him spots where he was asked to play-make as a combo guard. Then it was Brissett. Brissett got a fair amount of PnR action in Indiana. Especially when it briefly appeared they were going to reunite Brissett with Brogdon, I thought it was going to be part of the strategy. No dice. Brissett was great, but his offensive role besides crashing offensive glass was minimally impactful. I'm encouraged to see more screen setting actions and baseline cutting now with Minott.

Hauser is a limited ceiling player. Unfortunate only in relation to the roster's current weaknesses. He's playing hard. He's a competitive perimeter defender. He's likely always going to be a below average rebounder as a SF and especially PF. Because we're so guard heavy it's highlighted now, especially when paired with Brown in a masquerading PF situation (IMO). I preferred debating who was considered the SG or SF when the 2 were paired in the past rather than PF vs. SF.

I think Sam's been disappointing. He is a specialist who is excellent in his role and his fit with Jayson Tatum is absolutely elite, but also we have such a thin eye of the needle we are trying to thread thru the salary cap aprons/taxes and Sam at $11 million per for three more years after this, looks like an overpay under the new CBA...

I am not sure we could trade him and get a good asset back, so it's we had Jrue, KP, Horford, Kornet and now Hauser where we bring the talent in but talent going out doesnt return us any assets.

I wonder if the back spasms he had last season are still bothering him this year?

[Half-Full]

I voted "other" as I want to award the cigar to a quartet of our young players who were impactful: Minott, Gonzalez, Neemias, and Walsh. Gonzalez is included more for his performance across several games. The same could be said for both Minott, and Neemias, though both played particularly well last night. As for Walsh, Joe deservedly rewarded his play with extended minutes. More than a few in this forum have been eager to see Walsh traded or waived. I'm wondering if their opinions have changed. Jordan performed exactly as I thought he would if given an opportunity. Play with high energy, defend, rebound, and chip in with a few points, either from put backs, crashing in from the corner, or an occasional 3-pointer. I don't expect he will ever be thought of as a scorer, but he showed his value last night. Perhaps someone with a glass half-empty take might view his performance as a fluke, because, yeah, even a blind squirrel sometimes finds an acorn. Not me though. I say let's capitalize on his hunger for more playing time, and take advantage of his energetic play, and his 7' 3" wingspan. He is a hard worker on the boards, and we do need rebounding. On top of it all, we need to give our young guys serious playing time if we want to develop them. Really nice to see these four stepping up. Baylor too.

[Half-Full]

Victory.

Always sweet!

[Parliament10]

Where do I go to see all the trade JB for poo poo comments?

Last Year.

[cl2117]

Minott is the kind of player I had hoped Springer would be. Does a bit of everything, if his shot is falling he's great and if not he's still serviceable with the defense/athleticism. Lots of high flying stuff that probably won't carry over night to night, but just another really solid overall performance from such a cheap bench player. We could have something there (and w/ Queta).

I think Sam deserves a break. Disappointing start to the year overall but he did just go for 21 on 7/13 a week ago against a much better team. I think he deserves a longer runway before we start slandering him (although it is admittedly worrying that this looks like it could just be his ceiling unfortunately).

Agreed with every word in your post, highlighting your last 2 paragraphs especially. I align the Minott niche to what may have been for Springer too. The critical offensive element (IMO) is the rim attack threat. I posted a number of times my confusion on the plan deployed for Springer. He started as a corner dweller then they put in him spots where he was asked to play-make as a combo guard. Then it was Brissett. Brissett got a fair amount of PnR action in Indiana. Especially when it briefly appeared they were going to reunite Brissett with Brogdon, I thought it was going to be part of the strategy. No dice. Brissett was great, but his offensive role besides crashing offensive glass was minimally impactful. I'm encouraged to see more screen setting actions and baseline cutting now with Minott.

Hauser is a limited ceiling player. Unfortunate only in relation to the roster's current weaknesses. He's playing hard. He's a competitive perimeter defender. He's likely always going to be a below average rebounder as a SF and especially PF. Because we're so guard heavy it's highlighted now, especially when paired with Brown in a masquerading PF situation (IMO). I preferred debating who was considered the SG or SF when the 2 were paired in the past rather than PF vs. SF.

I think Sam's been disappointing. He is a specialist who is excellent in his role and his fit with Jayson Tatum is absolutely elite, but also we have such a thin eye of the needle we are trying to thread thru the salary cap aprons/taxes and Sam at $11 million per for three more years after this, looks like an overpay under the new CBA...

I am not sure we could trade him and get a good asset back, so it's we had Jrue, KP, Horford, Kornet and now Hauser where we bring the talent in but talent going out doesnt return us any assets.

I wonder if the back spasms he had last season are still bothering him this year?

It's also been 8 games. We can't make sweeping judgements, everyone is adjusting to life without JT/KP/Jrue, I think he needs 1/4 of the season before we starting judging too harshly.

I think we could get an early 2nd and cap space for Hauser at this stage. There are holes in his game you can focus on but he's a pretty automatic 40% 3PT shooter who can hold his own more often than not if you hunt him defensively. That's worth $11m a year. Plus he's not an oddly shaped piece, he can fit in anywhere given that he can plant himself in a corner and you're almost maximizing his value, every team can always use more of that.

I think those for of us who are a bit disappointed in Sam (and I include myself in that), really it's probably our own fault for having some unrealistic expectations for a guy who is already operating well above the level most ever thought he would. Take out those expectations and Sam has been fine for his contract and that's with him playing poorly.

[djFan71]

Minott is the kind of player I had hoped Springer would be. Does a bit of everything, if his shot is falling he's great and if not he's still serviceable with the defense/athleticism. Lots of high flying stuff that probably won't carry over night to night, but just another really solid overall performance from such a cheap bench player. We could have something there (and w/ Queta).

I think Sam deserves a break. Disappointing start to the year overall but he did just go for 21 on 7/13 a week ago against a much better team. I think he deserves a longer runway before we start slandering him (although it is admittedly worrying that this looks like it could just be his ceiling unfortunately).

Agreed with every word in your post, highlighting your last 2 paragraphs especially. I align the Minott niche to what may have been for Springer too. The critical offensive element (IMO) is the rim attack threat. I posted a number of times my confusion on the plan deployed for Springer. He started as a corner dweller then they put in him spots where he was asked to play-make as a combo guard. Then it was Brissett. Brissett got a fair amount of PnR action in Indiana. Especially when it briefly appeared they were going to reunite Brissett with Brogdon, I thought it was going to be part of the strategy. No dice. Brissett was great, but his offensive role besides crashing offensive glass was minimally impactful. I'm encouraged to see more screen setting actions and baseline cutting now with Minott.

Hauser is a limited ceiling player. Unfortunate only in relation to the roster's current weaknesses. He's playing hard. He's a competitive perimeter defender. He's likely always going to be a below average rebounder as a SF and especially PF. Because we're so guard heavy it's highlighted now, especially when paired with Brown in a masquerading PF situation (IMO). I preferred debating who was considered the SG or SF when the 2 were paired in the past rather than PF vs. SF.

I think Sam's been disappointing. He is a specialist who is excellent in his role and his fit with Jayson Tatum is absolutely elite, but also we have such a thin eye of the needle we are trying to thread thru the salary cap aprons/taxes and Sam at $11 million per for three more years after this, looks like an overpay under the new CBA...

I am not sure we could trade him and get a good asset back, so it's we had Jrue, KP, Horford, Kornet and now Hauser where we bring the talent in but talent going out doesnt return us any assets.

I wonder if the back spasms he had last season are still bothering him this year?

I don't think he's been disappointing, but kinda agree with the rest/maybe not, lol.... He had 2 rough games shooting, before that he was something like 45% from 3. He'll bounce back. And he's mildly expanded his dribble game.

I traded the dude countless times over the summer, and feel like when JT is back there's a crunch with Sam, Minott, Hugo, Walsh even more so than there is now. But, if you replace Simons $ with a rotation big with Neemy and Tatum is back, you can definitely afford $10M for a sharp shooter on a contender that goes over aprons. Tough part is the CBA - can we get that big without hamstringing(?) ourselves at an apron by using an exception to do it. Why I'd prefer to trade Simons this deadline.

[redslastlaugh]

I think Sam's been disappointing. He is a specialist who is excellent in his role and his fit with Jayson Tatum is absolutely elite, but also we have such a thin eye of the needle we are trying to thread thru the salary cap aprons/taxes and Sam at $11 million per for three more years after this, looks like an overpay under the new CBA...

I am not sure we could trade him and get a good asset back, so it's we had Jrue, KP, Horford, Kornet and now Hauser where we bring the talent in but talent going out doesnt return us any assets.

I wonder if the back spasms he had last season are still bothering him this year?

It's also been 8 games. We can't make sweeping judgements, everyone is adjusting to life without JT/KP/Jrue, I think he needs 1/4 of the season before we starting judging too harshly.

I think we could get an early 2nd and cap space for Hauser at this stage. There are holes in his game you can focus on but he's a pretty automatic 40% 3PT shooter who can hold his own more often than not if you hunt him defensively. That's worth $11m a year. Plus he's not an oddly shaped piece, he can fit in anywhere given that he can plant himself in a corner and you're almost maximizing his value, every team can always use more of that.

I think those for of us who are a bit disappointed in Sam (and I include myself in that), really it's probably our own fault for having some unrealistic expectations for a guy who is already operating well above the level most ever thought he would. Take out those expectations and Sam has been fine for his contract and that's with him playing poorly.

Good points. Eight games too small a sample.

My disappointment is a bit unfair, I admit. I wanted to see him do a few new things this year, draw more FTs, use the threat of his shooting to get guys flying by on the shot fake and spray the ball around, and to play better off JB as this year's main driver. Sam's chemisty was beyond awesome playing with JT. On the other hand, I think Sam and Jaylen have only displayed OK chemistry, not bad but a little disappointing.

And then, I have the general frustration of extending the supporting cast of the 2024 title team, and then getting destroyed by the tax-apron unwind. Like, I've talked about it too much, but we signed all these players and if we can't keep them, I want to trade them off for a gravy train of picks and prospects coming in.

We had the Paul-KG title window from 08-13 and when that window closed Danny moved our veterans for beaucoup assets coming in! Ainge obviously got the Brooklyn trade for Paul/KG, but he also got picks/prospects for Rondo, Jeff Green, Jordan Crawford, etc ... This version, we've done some decent cap management -- removing KP's entire $30M for only two seconds going out is impressive -- but fundamentally we dismantled a team full of valuable winners and got basically nothing in return!

So, in Sam's case, I want him to either be a valuable contributor to another playoff run or to an asset who other teams will bid for, so we get some good stuff as a return for developing him to the point of championship contributor.

But also, he's a week off a 21 point, 7 3pt make game, so I don't want to overreact, lol

[redslastlaugh]

Sam Hauser was in as many fake trades as anyone last offseason, lol ... Sam also got no respect on the trade board and among non-C's fans, and I heard so much about how he's neutral value on this extension, that I was ready for him to come out and really expand his game this year.

For sure, just a week ago, Sam was shooting the cover off the ball. But also, your point about having too many wings and a cap crunch, I feel like Hauser ideally should have separated himself, but if anything (despite the good shooting) he's just one guy in the minutes mix on a given night with Minott, Hugo, even Walsh

So I just feel, we committed to Sammie at a big number, not a huge number, but given how tight our books some people act like we'd be lucky to just dump the money with nothing coming back... and so I want Sam to seize the opportunity and be even better than last couple of years so to accomplish one of two things

1. contribute to another title run
2. be so good on this deal that another contender wants to spend assets to trade for him

but, we're 4-5, it's nine games, Sam hasn't been bad ... so ...

I think Sam's been disappointing. He is a specialist who is excellent in his role and his fit with Jayson Tatum is absolutely elite, but also we have such a thin eye of the needle we are trying to thread thru the salary cap aprons/taxes and Sam at $11 million per for three more years after this, looks like an overpay under the new CBA...

I am not sure we could trade him and get a good asset back, so it's we had Jrue, KP, Horford, Kornet and now Hauser where we bring the talent in but talent going out doesnt return us any assets.

I wonder if the back spasms he had last season are still bothering him this year?

I don't think he's been disappointing, but kinda agree with the rest/maybe not, lol.... He had 2 rough games shooting, before that he was something like 45% from 3. He'll bounce back. And he's mildly expanded his dribble game.

I traded the dude countless times over the summer, and feel like when JT is back there's a crunch with Sam, Minott, Hugo, Walsh even more so than there is now. But, if you replace Simons $ with a rotation big with Neemy and Tatum is back, you can definitely afford $10M for a sharp shooter on a contender that goes over aprons. Tough part is the CBA - can we get that big without hamstringing(?) ourselves at an apron by using an exception to do it. Why I'd prefer to trade Simons this deadline.