Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[threethehardway]

The Magic overpaid by one first-round pick for Desmond Bane when you consider one of the four picks they gave Memphis was to get out from KCP’s contract.

Also, Desmond Bane is a good player, and he’s certainly not an inconsistent shooter. Since becoming a full-time starter in the 2021-2022 season, Bane’s lowest field-goal percentage before this year was 46.1% on at least 14-15 shots per game. His lowest three-point percentage during that span has been 38.1% on anywhere from six to nine attempts per game. He also shot 86-90% from the free-throw line. The guy is an elite shooter.

However, he’s not an isolation player that creates his own threes nor should he be a primary facilitator. He’s a really good catch-and-shoot player. Right now, the Magic are not using him properly, but part of the issue is playing Wendell Carter Jr. at center because he will not space the floor. It’s a small sample size, but Franz Wagner is shooting almost 40% from three this year on four attempts per game. Banchero is really struggling at 24%, so far.

He had 24 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and he played 68 games last year. The year before that he had 21 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and played 42 games.

Inconsistent doesn't mean not elite.

Klay Thompson is also an elite inconsistent shooter. One game it's 1-10 and the dumbest shots ever, and the next it's 6-10.

I define good player as All NBA 3rd Team Level. After the top 30, everyone is just interchangeable to me. They perform a role and function.

If you aren't an All-NBA level of a player, I don't really rank you as good, it's starter level, bench player, or out the league.

Desmond Bane isn't a necessary player. You can get any good spot up shooter and get 80 percent of what he provides. He's one step above Duncan Robinson to me. I rather have Tyler Herro. Tyler Herro has enough ball and movement skills to be an offensive focal point. Desmond Bane does not.

And another thing nobody wants to admit, Paolo and Wagner aren't good enough scorers and play-makers to make having Desmond Bane worth it. If you are going to pay a premium for a spot up shooter and tertiary ball handler, at least have your offense 80 percent there or have an elite playmaker.

[eyriq]

Come on Magic fans, when is it too late to say when?

When we get a coach that has a good track record at running an offense. Unless you think Bane just forgot how to play basketball over the summer and it's just coincidence that he joins one of the worst offenses and the offense doesn't look any better even though he is a career 41% 3pt shooter (with a 59.5 career TS% too)

I don't think Bane is that good of a player to begin with.

I think people that think Bane was anywhere near even Lavine level are wrong.

What is happening to Bane is what happened to Dejounte Murray. You put them on a team that has expectations of performance to solve a problem and they can not do it because they were never that good


In fact, I only think about 30 NBA players are legitimately good to great NBA players that you can an stuxk anywhere to solve a roster problem and Babe isn't one of them.

If anyone seriously thought Desmond Bane, who suffered with inconsistent shooting and self creation was going to the Magic and was going to be good for them you didn't watch enough Grizzlies games.

It's like people who thought Dejounte Murray was a good point guard because they box scored watched him get triple doubles late at night and come to find out he won't defend, take contact and stop shooting miserable pull ups.

Desmond Bane is your Dejounte Murray. Got a player that you don't need to solve a problem you aren't willing to fix for a price that nobody else was willing to pay.

Bane is statistically one of the top 15 three point shooters of all time. He'll be fine.

[FlatearthZorro]

But, but I thought he's way better than Jaylen Brown? At least that's what the Magic fans said. Advanced stats and all

[davidv2001]

The Magic overpaid by one first-round pick for Desmond Bane when you consider one of the four picks they gave Memphis was to get out from KCP’s contract.

Also, Desmond Bane is a good player, and he’s certainly not an inconsistent shooter. Since becoming a full-time starter in the 2021-2022 season, Bane’s lowest field-goal percentage before this year was 46.1% on at least 14-15 shots per game. His lowest three-point percentage during that span has been 38.1% on anywhere from six to nine attempts per game. He also shot 86-90% from the free-throw line. The guy is an elite shooter.

However, he’s not an isolation player that creates his own threes nor should he be a primary facilitator. He’s a really good catch-and-shoot player. Right now, the Magic are not using him properly, but part of the issue is playing Wendell Carter Jr. at center because he will not space the floor. It’s a small sample size, but Franz Wagner is shooting almost 40% from three this year on four attempts per game. Banchero is really struggling at 24%, so far.

He had 24 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and he played 68 games last year. The year before that he had 21 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and played 42 games.

Inconsistent doesn't mean not elite.

Klay Thompson is also an elite inconsistent shooter. One game it's 1-10 and the dumbest shots ever, and the next it's 6-10.

I define good player as All NBA 3rd Team Level. After the top 30, everyone is just interchangeable to me. They perform a role and function.

If you aren't an All-NBA level of a player, I don't really rank you as good, it's starter level, bench player, or out the league.

Desmond Bane isn't a necessary player. You can get any good spot up shooter and get 80 percent of what he provides. He's one step above Duncan Robinson to me. I rather have Tyler Herro. Tyler Herro has enough ball and movement skills to be an offensive focal point. Desmond Bane does not.

And another thing nobody wants to admit, Paolo and Wagner aren't good enough scorers and play-makers to make having Desmond Bane worth it. If you are going to pay a premium for a spot up shooter and tertiary ball handler, at least have your offense 80 percent there or have an elite playmaker.

In a league where 240 - 300 players play regularly, only 15 NBA players are good by your rating system. I don’t agree. That means if talent were evenly dispersed across the NBA only half the league has anyone you consider to be good. Which is a crazy high standard.

Also, every player in the NBA has good shooting nights and bad ones. That’s especially true of guys who make their living as elite perimeter shooters, as you noted with Klay Thompson. Numbers average out over the course of the entire season and the playoffs. If you shoot 46% or better on 14-15 shots per game, 38% from three or better on 6-9 attempts, and 86-90% from the free-throw line for four years running, you aren’t an inconsistent shooter. That means you shoot better than average most nights.

[og15]

The Magic overpaid by one first-round pick for Desmond Bane when you consider one of the four picks they gave Memphis was to get out from KCP’s contract.

Also, Desmond Bane is a good player, and he’s certainly not an inconsistent shooter. Since becoming a full-time starter in the 2021-2022 season, Bane’s lowest field-goal percentage before this year was 46.1% on at least 14-15 shots per game. His lowest three-point percentage during that span has been 38.1% on anywhere from six to nine attempts per game. He also shot 86-90% from the free-throw line. The guy is an elite shooter.

However, he’s not an isolation player that creates his own threes nor should he be a primary facilitator. He’s a really good catch-and-shoot player. Right now, the Magic are not using him properly, but part of the issue is playing Wendell Carter Jr. at center because he will not space the floor. It’s a small sample size, but Franz Wagner is shooting almost 40% from three this year on four attempts per game. Banchero is really struggling at 24%, so far.

He had 24 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and he played 68 games last year. The year before that he had 21 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and played 42 games.

Inconsistent doesn't mean not elite.

Klay Thompson is also an elite inconsistent shooter. One game it's 1-10 and the dumbest shots ever, and the next it's 6-10.

I define good player as All NBA 3rd Team Level. After the top 30, everyone is just interchangeable to me. They perform a role and function.

If you aren't an All-NBA level of a player, I don't really rank you as good, it's starter level, bench player, or out the league.

Desmond Bane isn't a necessary player. You can get any good spot up shooter and get 80 percent of what he provides. He's one step above Duncan Robinson to me. I rather have Tyler Herro. Tyler Herro has enough ball and movement skills to be an offensive focal point. Desmond Bane does not.

And another thing nobody wants to admit, Paolo and Wagner aren't good enough scorers and play-makers to make having Desmond Bane worth it. If you are going to pay a premium for a spot up shooter and tertiary ball handler, at least have your offense 80 percent there or have an elite playmaker.

50% of games being over and 50% under I would agree, that is inconsistent, since that's every other game. 55% you're at a little inconsistent. 55-60% decent consistency.

60% is solid consistency
65%+ is good consistency
70%+ is great

So for Bane:
24-25: 32/69 - over 54%
23-24: 21/42 - over 50%
22-23: 24/58 - over 59%
21-22: 29/76 - over 62%

So I would agree that his 3PT shooting consistency is questionable over the last two seasons. Definitely in the range of what we would consider inconsistent. Have to at least each 6/10 games for consistency with 3PT shooting.

Let's compare to Steph:
24-25: 31/70 - over 56%
23-24: 27/74 - over 64%
22-23: 17/56 - over 70%
21-22: 30/64 - over 53%
20-21: 19/63 - over 70%

Steph had an inconsistent shooting season in 21-22, but in recent seasons, outside of that, he's been mostly good to great, last season being decent.

[threethehardway]

The Magic overpaid by one first-round pick for Desmond Bane when you consider one of the four picks they gave Memphis was to get out from KCP’s contract.

Also, Desmond Bane is a good player, and he’s certainly not an inconsistent shooter. Since becoming a full-time starter in the 2021-2022 season, Bane’s lowest field-goal percentage before this year was 46.1% on at least 14-15 shots per game. His lowest three-point percentage during that span has been 38.1% on anywhere from six to nine attempts per game. He also shot 86-90% from the free-throw line. The guy is an elite shooter.

However, he’s not an isolation player that creates his own threes nor should he be a primary facilitator. He’s a really good catch-and-shoot player. Right now, the Magic are not using him properly, but part of the issue is playing Wendell Carter Jr. at center because he will not space the floor. It’s a small sample size, but Franz Wagner is shooting almost 40% from three this year on four attempts per game. Banchero is really struggling at 24%, so far.

He had 24 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and he played 68 games last year. The year before that he had 21 games of shooting less than 36 percent from the 3 point line and played 42 games.

Inconsistent doesn't mean not elite.

Klay Thompson is also an elite inconsistent shooter. One game it's 1-10 and the dumbest shots ever, and the next it's 6-10.

I define good player as All NBA 3rd Team Level. After the top 30, everyone is just interchangeable to me. They perform a role and function.

If you aren't an All-NBA level of a player, I don't really rank you as good, it's starter level, bench player, or out the league.

Desmond Bane isn't a necessary player. You can get any good spot up shooter and get 80 percent of what he provides. He's one step above Duncan Robinson to me. I rather have Tyler Herro. Tyler Herro has enough ball and movement skills to be an offensive focal point. Desmond Bane does not.

And another thing nobody wants to admit, Paolo and Wagner aren't good enough scorers and play-makers to make having Desmond Bane worth it. If you are going to pay a premium for a spot up shooter and tertiary ball handler, at least have your offense 80 percent there or have an elite playmaker.

In a league where 240 - 300 players play regularly, only 15 NBA players are good by your rating system. I don’t agree. That means if talent were evenly dispersed across the NBA only half the league has anyone you consider to be good. Which is a crazy high standard.

Also, every player in the NBA has good shooting nights and bad ones. That’s especially true of guys who make their living as elite perimeter shooters, as you noted with Klay Thompson. Numbers average out over the course of the entire season and the playoffs. If you shoot 46% or better on 14-15 shots per game, 38% from three or better on 6-9 attempts, and 86-90% from the free-throw line for four years running, you aren’t an inconsistent shooter. That means you shoot better than average most nights.

If a player that could make at least an NBA All 3rd team any given year, then you are a good player.

That's a top 30.

You have the guys that make the All NBA Teams, which is 15, then you another 15 honorable mentions that could've made the 3rd Team.

Anything else after that, is just a starter, bench player or out the league. The rest are interchangeable, commodified players that are often spare parts of a roster.

I wouldn't want to rely on a guy that is inconsistent with creating his own shot and his three point shooting due to shot selection to solve my spacing issues when my roster is devoid if shooting and playmaking.

There are guys that are elite and consistent, like Kevin Durant, because KD doesn't take stupid shots because he always could consistently call his own number and score different ways.

Being an elite inconsistent spot up shooter is overrated. They are luxuries, it's like having a muscle car as a daily driver.

Yeah, I don't need the player that starts a season in a slump, can go 5-15 in a Game 6 and they are just a spot up shooter.

They aren't a Dame or a Curry, shooting from the logo or a James Harden who is patting the ball a size up into a step back...

All elite shooters are not created equal.

[JT3000]

But, but I thought he's way better than Jaylen Brown? At least that's what the Magic fans said. Advanced stats and all

Talking ish right before you play this team?

[FlatearthZorro]

But, but I thought he's way better than Jaylen Brown? At least that's what the Magic fans said. Advanced stats and all

Talking ish right before you play this team?

Brown is averaging 27 on .538 from the field and ~.390 from 3 as the main guy to go along with 4.5 boards and 4 assists... Whatever I write, my point stands.....(and I do acknowledge Brown's contract is a bit bizzare)